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Popy
Feb 19, 2008

Speed running the power armor in fo2 ruled I don’t think I ever beat it, but breaking the early part of the game ruled

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Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

i say swears online posted:

this is me and fallout. i died to a rat or scorpion or something in the first room in fallout 2 off a burned cd in 1999 and never picked up the series again

a lot of people quit the game because Ian's companion AI doesn't know how to control itself with burst weapons and he'd turn you into a fine mist.

busalover
Sep 12, 2020

Danann posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bUEV3fVaAM

suddenly ace combat in this science fiction movie

I've never heard of this. Looks like videogame cutscenes minus the videogame.

Homeless Friend
Jul 16, 2007

Maya Fey
Jan 22, 2017


Blood Boils
Dec 27, 2006

Its not an S, on my planet it means QUIPS

Tankbuster posted:

They named him after howard hawks and gary cooper. Imagine people being fans of an actor.

He was gay, mistah Howard??

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

The Institute had to make their own slaves because they're too autistic to go outside, but also they have to terrorize the wasteland for no reason and for no gain.

F Stop Fitzgerald
Dec 12, 2010


lol

HashtagGirlboss
Jan 4, 2005

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

The Institute had to make their own slaves because they're too autistic to go outside, but also they have to terrorize the wasteland for no reason and for no gain.

I like how they kidnap people and replace them with exact perfect doppelgängers who have no idea they’re doppelgängers and don’t actually seem to do anything at all to the institutes benefit

really queer Christmas
Apr 22, 2014

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

HashtagGirlboss posted:

I like how they kidnap people and replace them with exact perfect doppelgängers who have no idea they’re doppelgängers and don’t actually seem to do anything at all to the institutes benefit

The Railroad "liberates" synths by wiping all of their memories, which is practically the same thing as killing them. And this paradox is never acknowledged.

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011


For anyone seeking to argue the case, there is no shortage of data points that can be used to chart the course of America’s putative decline.
Start with the decay in the country’s politics. This November, voters will be faced with a choice between the present incumbent and a twice-impeached former president who, unlike any of his predecessors, is seriously embattled in courts on both civil and criminal grounds. Many view Joe Biden as too old to govern a country with a plethora of superpower-sized problems. As recent primaries have shown, he even faces revolt from some in the Democratic base for his unwillingness to rein in Israel, a longtime ally and client, over the huge and climbing death toll from its continuing offensive and the specter of starvation in Gaza.

Today, the United States seeks to navigate a green transition, but it can’t build either solar panels or electric vehicles that can compete with foreign goods without stiff protection. It wants to be a leader in making advanced microprocessors again, but it seems no one can imagine how to do so without gigantic subsidies. It wants to sustain its military preeminence, but despite spending more money on the military than the next 10 countries combined, it is falling far behind China in the rate at which it builds ships and some other advanced weapons systems.

Despite such a pessimistic start, this is not a column written to bewail America’s decline. In fact, there may be as many boosterish signs about the durability of U.S. power as there are pessimistic ones. The United States’ share of global GDP has remained fairly constant for most of this century and is presently a little shy of 25 percent, a remarkable number for a country with less than 5 percent of the world’s population. America’s universities, which have puzzlingly become a battleground of fierce culture wars at home, remain the envy of the world. And because of immigration, another source of perennial domestic contestation, most of it ugly and irrational, the United States will face far less demographic pressure—whether from aging or population decline in the remainder of this century—than any of its competitors.

In recent weeks, I have been impressed with something even more remarkable than any of these hallmarks of U.S. strength, and the evidence has come from an unusual source for a gauge of power, washing over me from a distance of 10 feet at nighttime in the semi-darkness of my living room: a large-screen smart TV.

What has emanated from this ubiquitous vehicle to strike me so powerfully is evidence of a novel—and I am tempted to say awesome—cultural product and a categorically new expression of soft power. To be more explicit, I am talking about two new television series, Shogun and 3 Body Problem, both of which do something of unaccustomed scale and ambition: They adopt epic stories that are rooted in Asia, as opposed to customary Western history and culture, and to a degree that is extremely rare in American entertainment, they labor to preserve period details and linguistic authenticity.

If there are similar examples of, say, European productions of period epics rooted in non-Western cultures for mass audiences that have preserved this much space for non-Western characters and non-Western languages, I am not familiar with them. And I would venture to say the same thing about Chinese, Japanese, Indian, or any other major non-Western film and television industries. If they have attempted anything that reaches this far beyond the present and outside of their own zone of cultural comfort and familiarity with a comparable sense of devotion to cultural detail, I am not aware of them.

Before I get slammed here, let me say that I am well aware that Shogun was drawn from a 1975 novel published by James Clavell, an Australian-born British author. Some may feel this invalidates everything I’ve just said. But this version of Shogun, unlike a previous miniseries that was originally broadcast on NBC in 1980, has given center stage to Japanese actors and writers whose expertise lies in the period drama of their country, and it has done so with extraordinary attention to authenticity. I say this as a decent speaker of Japanese who lived in that country for five years as a reporter. American television audiences supposedly have little appetite for content with subtitles, but I’ve sat rapt, even while trying to match the scrolling written English with the spoken dialogue, most of which is rendered in an exquisitely formal (and complicated) style of courtly locution that dates back 400 years.

This column is more of a cultural commentary than TV review or even critic’s piece, but I should also come clean right here about some of the things that separate these two exemplars of the American entertainment industry’s ambition and of the country’s capacity for soft power, which seems to be expanding and not just enduring. Unlike Shogun, whose original text, a novel, was written by a Westerner, 3 Body Problem is drawn from a recent work of Chinese fiction—science fiction, to be specific. I do not find its rendition on Netflix to be nearly as captivating as its Japanese historical fiction counterpart, Shogun, for reasons I’ll soon explain.

3 Body Problem, however, opens with one of the most powerful dramatizations that I have ever seen of China’s Cultural Revolution, a 10-year period of officially sanctioned quasi-anarchy that Mao Zedong and his most obsequious cronies unleashed on the country between 1966 and 1976. The opening scenes, which depict the terrifying public hazing, or “struggle session,” against an advanced physicist whose theoretical work doesn’t conform with Marxist-Leninist-Maoist thought, were entirely filmed in Chinese, on a set, and with Chinese crowds, that drips with authenticity. I say this as someone who also speaks Chinese and has written books on the history of that country (as well as that of Japan). The portrayal of punishing ideological crusades against Chinese scientists who worked in the pursuit of pure knowledge, instead of servilely bolstering the regime, feels as if it is right out of the pages of The Most Wanted Man in China: My Journey From Scientist to Enemy of the State, the powerful memoir of Fang Lizhi, who was once his country’s leading astrophysicist before being forced into exile.

The fiercely hostile online reaction of some people in China toward 3 Body Problem’s opening scenes reminds me of the famous quip by the writer La Rochefoucauld. “Hypocrisy,” he said, “is the homage that vice pays to virtue.” These popular criticisms derive from people who are likely finding alternative ways of streaming 3 Body Problem because for political reasons it has not been, and probably can never be, released in China. That isn’t because the Netflix miniseries gets anything wrong but, rather, because it gets this Chinese scene right. The best response, of course, would be for China to produce its own realistic dramatizations and accurate documentaries about this crucial recent period in history, in which an estimated 2 million people were killed, but of course official censorship could never tolerate this.

As one commentator on Chinese social media said in response to the angry hubbub there about Netflix’s supposed misappropriation of a Chinese story: “That era was an enormous scar, an absurd joke. If we don’t face our history squarely, how can we hope to have a future?”

For me, the biggest problem with the Netflix miniseries, in addition to some of its flat characters and lifeless dialogue, is the massive casting cop-out that it takes. It is a failure that’s deeply and troublingly traditional in the Western entertainment business and one that undermines any credit due for adopting a non-Western story. In his original fiction, Liu Cixin, the author of The Three-Body Problem, wrote the characters as Chinese. For what I assume to be commercial reasons, Netflix seems to have decided that Western audiences couldn’t abide watching Chinese characters for episode after episode, so it contrived to set most of the story in London and tell it through a Western cast.

Compare that to the design choices made by the creators of Shogun. This series, too, includes a Western character who occupies a prominent role. That is in keeping with the original source material, Clavell’s nearly 50-year-old novel. Unlike the original production of Shogun, though, the current FX version has largely relegated this character to the middle background, so much so that one sometimes wonders if he is necessary at all. If my experience as a hungry viewer is at all reflective of broader audience reactions, Shogun’s storytelling answers the question tentatively posed by the makers of 3 Body Problem, who ultimately chickened out: Can Western audiences be carried along by non-Western actors who dominate the leading roles?

If the American entertainment industry can overcome this lingering racial timidity and provincialism, the sky would seem to be the limit. There are new audiences to be won on every continent with authentically told stories about dramatic periods in history that have little or no need for Westerners front and center.

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Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

The CCP doesn't like the Cultural Revolution lmao

HashtagGirlboss
Jan 4, 2005

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

The Railroad "liberates" synths by wiping all of their memories, which is practically the same thing as killing them. And this paradox is never acknowledged.

Goddamn the whole plot of that game was such a giant mess and the big plot twist was so loving obvious but you could tell they were super proud of it

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

HashtagGirlboss posted:

Goddamn the whole plot of that game was such a giant mess and the big plot twist was so loving obvious but you could tell they were super proud of it

if we consider the tv show to be a bethout then all of the stories go like this:

fallout 3: what if your dad was a nice guy who wasn't lying when he went to pick up some cigarettes?
fallout 4: what if your child was Hitler?
Fallout tv: what if your dad was Hitler?

nice obelisk idiot
May 18, 2023

funerary linens looking like dishrags

tristeham posted:

that'd be cool
I might make an arts and culture thread. maybe with a biweekly film or something

uber_stoat
Jan 21, 2001



Pillbug
here's how Fallout 4 ends so you don't need to play it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jd0WPqjeqL0

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

https://twitter.com/DeMickyD/status/1778558064876048628

BONGHITZ
Jan 1, 1970

War and Pieces
Apr 24, 2022

DID NOT VOTE FOR FETTERMAN

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

if we consider the tv show to be a bethout then all of the stories go like this:

fallout 3: what if your dad was a nice guy who wasn't lying when he went to pick up some cigarettes?
fallout 4: what if your child was Hitler?
Fallout tv: what if your dad was Hitler?

New Vegas: What if life was like a political compass meme?

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

War and Pieces posted:

New Vegas: What if life was like a political compass meme?

whoa buddy, that's a little too cerebral for an American audience. keep it in the family.

indigi
Jul 20, 2004

how can we not talk about family
when family's all that we got?

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

The CCP doesn't like the Cultural Revolution lmao

I brought this up to someone and they came back with "actually the Wikipedia article says the author was forced to self-censor by moving the scene from the beginning into the middle so obviously they're still touchy about it"

checked Wikipedia and the source is an interview translated by the NYT, who I don't trust to accurately cover science fiction - a 150 year old English-language genre - let alone China (the NYT reported twice that China banned time-travel fiction in years where US-produced science fiction blockbusters had mainland releases)

and, even if it actually happened, it's still admittedly a decision they came to without even checking with the CCP!!

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

whoa buddy, that's a little too cerebral for an American audience. keep it in the family.

That's not a sustainable sexual practice

ArmedZombie
Jun 6, 2004

uber_stoat posted:

here's how Fallout 4 ends so you don't need to play it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jd0WPqjeqL0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AtyGj0cEyoQ

selec
Sep 6, 2003

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

the focus on black isle/obsidian lore getting violated is sort of burying the lede, which is that the show contradicts Bethesda’s games too.

again just from the first episode, the vault door for 32/33 is right along the coastline and you can see a pier with a waterfront in it, so it wasn’t concealed at all. the whole point of the vaults is that they’re supposed to be hidden from the outside world to maintain control in Vault-Tec’s behavioral experiments. anybody walking along the coast could’ve found it and tried to crack it open.

and again with character behaviors not making sense: vaults 32 & 33 only interact on occasion to exchange goods and mating pairs, and it’s something they’ve always done. shouldn’t they notice that none of vaults 32’s representatives are recognizable? the fatalities from the grain blight doesn’t explain it away either, because one of the raiders has a full body tattoo that’s peeking out of his vault suit. plus, they think vault 32 has a grain blight but they make no effort at all to control for it. they let the vault 32 party come in without even closing the door.

it’s one thing if it’s just dumb fun where 33 was invaded cuz woke DEI HR management, but I shouldn’t have my suspension of disbelief being broken constantly like this. and it’s not played like a joke. it’s just not funny.

not all vaults were hidden away. vault 76 in FO76 had a parking lot right off the road, not hidden whatsoever.

DaysBefore
Jan 24, 2019

The pre-war stuff in Fallout was fun but also everything was weirdly peaceful lol. No mention of the plague or the food shortages, no army checkpoints or soldiers gunning down rioters. America was supposed to be barely functioning by the time of the bombs but everything is so normal. I guess you could say since we only have Howard's point of view and he's rich that he could avoid that stuff but it still seems like a big ommission

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

selec posted:

not all vaults were hidden away. vault 76 in FO76 had a parking lot right off the road, not hidden whatsoever.

vault 76 was a control vault meant to repopulate the wasteland after the war. it’s in an easy to find place because it’s not supposed to last that long. 33 & 32 are running a long term eugenics program.

Whoolighams
Jul 24, 2007
Thanks Dom Monaghan
there were a few that were straightforward control groups that functioned as advertised, 76 was a big publicity thing as well, being tied into the Tricentennial. there's a vault in 4 that actually shows a good end result for the vault, that is it held out until topside was somewhat liveable, trades with outsiders, but keeps itself secure and mostly functional. of course this is because the experiment was sabotaged by some of the Vault-Tec staff that grew a conscience but still

Laterite
Mar 14, 2007

It's Gutfest '89
Grimey Drawer
the joys of Fallout are found in interacting with isolated weirdos, helping out misunderstood Supermutants, stumbling across skeletons of people laying next to computer terminals which helpfully document the ironic way they died, and getting absolutely owned by any child you happen to meet.

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

if there was a Walton Goggins cut that’d be a good movie.

DaysBefore posted:

The pre-war stuff in Fallout was fun but also everything was weirdly peaceful lol. No mention of the plague or the food shortages, no army checkpoints or soldiers gunning down rioters. America was supposed to be barely functioning by the time of the bombs but everything is so normal. I guess you could say since we only have Howard's point of view and he's rich that he could avoid that stuff but it still seems like a big ommission

the Beth games are really bad about presenting an unvarnished nostalgic view of pre-war America solely from the perspective of its middle and upper classes. the truth about America is buried in computer logs most players won’t read.

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i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

the Beth games are really bad about presenting an unvarnished nostalgic view of pre-war America solely from the perspective of its middle and upper classes. the truth about America is buried in computer logs most players won’t read.

the best part of ep 1 was the party host slugging the black dude to keep him out of the shelter

indigi
Jul 20, 2004

how can we not talk about family
when family's all that we got?

DaysBefore posted:

The pre-war stuff in Fallout was fun but also everything was weirdly peaceful lol. No mention of the plague or the food shortages, no army checkpoints or soldiers gunning down rioters. America was supposed to be barely functioning by the time of the bombs but everything is so normal. I guess you could say since we only have Howard's point of view and he's rich that he could avoid that stuff but it still seems like a big ommission

it totally is a big omission, we first meet him when he's working birthday parties and struggling to make ends meet. plus we see them watching multiple news broadcasts which is the perfect place to drop that worldbuilding in and they still didn't. it's very strange. also the idea that a 50s monoculture still hell-bent on anticommunism evolved into a racially tolerant liberal society is very very funny

Oglethorpe
Aug 8, 2005

i say swears online posted:

the best part of ep 1 was the party host slugging the black dude to keep him out of the shelter

that stood out a bit yeah

i tried playing FNV but i got lost in my mods and made the mistake of adding new ones mid-play

need to try again

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

indigi posted:

it totally is a big omission, we first meet him when he's working birthday parties and struggling to make ends meet. plus we see them watching multiple news broadcasts which is the perfect place to drop that worldbuilding in and they still didn't. it's very strange. also the idea that a 50s monoculture still hell-bent on anticommunism evolved into a racially tolerant liberal society is very very funny

i say swears online posted:

the best part of ep 1 was the party host slugging the black dude to keep him out of the shelter

the actor's daughter is extremely conspicuous but so was that punch. i figured it was an intentional contrast

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

indigi posted:

it totally is a big omission, we first meet him when he's working birthday parties and struggling to make ends meet. plus we see them watching multiple news broadcasts which is the perfect place to drop that worldbuilding in and they still didn't. it's very strange. also the idea that a 50s monoculture still hell-bent on anticommunism evolved into a racially tolerant liberal society is very very funny

fallout is set far enough in the future that you can assume most racial hangups are resolved except for racism against Chinese. people may not be racist in a vulgar modern sense, but racism persists after the war against mutants. racism, eugenics, and Nazi ideology were big elements of the first two games.

DaysBefore
Jan 24, 2019

indigi posted:

it totally is a big omission, we first meet him when he's working birthday parties and struggling to make ends meet. plus we see them watching multiple news broadcasts which is the perfect place to drop that worldbuilding in and they still didn't. it's very strange. also the idea that a 50s monoculture still hell-bent on anticommunism evolved into a racially tolerant liberal society is very very funny

They did have the bit with the weatherman freaking out which was good. Reminded me of the opening to Dawn of the Dead with things falling apart and the news station being in chaos. There just should have been a lot more of that

Also very weird mentions of peace talks???? Like yeah, okay

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

if there was a Walton Goggins cut that’d be a good movie.

the Beth games are really bad about presenting an unvarnished nostalgic view of pre-war America solely from the perspective of its middle and upper classes. the truth about America is buried in computer logs most players won’t read.

I dunno, Fallout 4 is covered in checkpoints and there's a rationing centre, there's a literal Chinese concentration camp in Fallout 3, even Fallout 76 did a lot of work to sbow government crackdowns on Appalachian workers

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

DaysBefore posted:

They did have the bit with the weatherman freaking out which was good. Reminded me of the opening to Dawn of the Dead with things falling apart and the news station being in chaos. There just should have been a lot more of that

this was extremely generic and i was waiting for exposition like this but i thought it failed since it didn't explain poo poo

Oglethorpe
Aug 8, 2005

there was zero exposition about contemporary social economic strife and lol only tangential racial elements except for that one scene where

i say swears online posted:

the best part of ep 1 was the party host slugging the black dude to keep him out of the shelter

and that's the end of the racial strife of the 1950s.

The entirety of the global conflict within the show's realm was about "resources" afaict. which is a reflection of today's world. as a show produced today.

It reminds me a bit of Regime where one of the main themes are China Bad, they will exploit you. But also don't question the US's good will

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i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

Oglethorpe posted:

and that's the end of the racial strife of the 1950s.

ya there was no progression after that and then -> in the future we're in postracial dystopia where it's never mentioned

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Second Hand Meat Mouth
Sep 12, 2001
I'm not a serious fallout guy but the very end of the season scene showed a city that looked familiar can someone tell me what it was

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