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DJJIB-DJDCT posted:Who was he at the beginning? I’m at a loss for who this character is even supposed to be. well clearly he is an orphan who gets inducted into a military cult and is the lowest rung on the ladder. Not the brightest or strongest, but is hated enough that he is seen as a spare who can carry equipment. He tries doing what a Knight (noble warrior) should do, go questing and help others but is woefully unprepared when he comes up against the ghoul. Through his adventures he finds he can be a better knight by being kind and genuinely heroic - which winds up with him letting his former bully escape and let Goosey take the head to rescue her father. At the finale, he cracks again under pressure and leads them to the NCR remnants of shady sands. He tries to make a heroic stand against Hank is nearly killed for it. At the end when he comes to he gets to see this evil witch character spend her final moments do something utterly heroic before dying - completing her quest hundreds of years later. It is at this point because he was the first one there, his only brotherhood friend gives him what he wanted by declaring him a hero and a knight. Everyone cheers for him but having come face to face with actual heroism the brotherhood oaf who was carrying bags and a snivelling coward has been changed into someone who can actually be what a knight is supposed to be.
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:The Brotherhood depicted in the show is directly descended from the Brotherhood in Fallout 4, which WAS fascist and genocidal to the point they'd kill anyone suspected of collaborating with mutants. We know they still have a hard on for mutants because Thaddeus talks about how much ghouls suck and they should kill them. When they showed up at the observatory they would have killed anything that moves, and not only does Lucy have the head she's also armed and would act to defend herself. Once the battle starts there's no way Maximus could control it. She could've easily been killed by a stray bullet. Which is why I specified non-mutant prisoners. The most reasonable assumption, given what Maximus knows, would be that she would neither have the head or be armed - if Moldaver does agree to trade for her father, she is not likely to stick around, and given that Maximus has no reason to believe Moldaver would be trustworthy, the more likely assumption is that she'd be taken prisoner and have neither the head or a weapon.
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the brotherhood has always been xenophobic fascists, actually. learn the lore
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16-bit Butt-Head posted:the brotherhood has always been xenophobic fascists, actually. learn the lore wont be doing this
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16-bit Butt-Head posted:the brotherhood has always been xenophobic fascists, actually. learn the lore
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16-bit Butt-Head posted:fallout is good and if you disagree with me you are ghoulbrained Offensive term.
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you've been fallout 3 brained.
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F Stop Fitzgerald posted:wont be doing this 16-bit Butt-Head posted:you've been fallout 3 brained. Thats just the showrunner.
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Pomeroy posted:Which is why I specified non-mutant prisoners. The most reasonable assumption, given what Maximus knows, would be that she would neither have the head or be armed - if Moldaver does agree to trade for her father, she is not likely to stick around, and given that Maximus has no reason to believe Moldaver would be trustworthy, the more likely assumption is that she'd be taken prisoner and have neither the head or a weapon. Those aren't reasonable assumptions at all. He really doesn't know anything. The whole plan to present them with the fake head obviously wasn't going to work either. Leading the Brotherhood to the observatory was Plan B. It only works because the chief cleric admires Dane's loyalty to him. Which was impossible to account for. It would've been more meaningful if he had given himself up so that Lucy could get away, and then at his trial he doesn't beg for mercy he just declares that he's doing the right thing. The clerics would know he's hiding something, so they would have threatened to execute Dane on suspicion of collaborating with a traitor unless he talks. Instead he just does it to save his own life.
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CODChimera posted:what!! how much did you watch? season 2 is amazing am I the only one that found season 1 better than 2? only watched half of season 2 though.
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Why should they have any trust for xenos, who are literally inhuman? Mutants, ghouls especially, aren't "people from another hemisphere", or "people who subscribe to Homoiousian or Homoousian heresy", they are not people. We're not talking about someone being born with a vestigial toe or Thalidomide babies here.
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yeah because maximus is a coward who has started to do the right thing occasionally because lucy is there to make doe eyes at him. Without her he reverts back to his regular behavior which is craving validity from his superiors.
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Tankbuster posted:yeah because maximus is a coward who has started to do the right thing occasionally because lucy is there to make doe eyes at him. Without her he reverts back to his regular behavior which is craving validity from his superiors. Daguenet the Fool.
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DJJIB-DJDCT posted:Why should they have any trust for xenos, who are literally inhuman? This is where all the racism metaphors both in this and/or x-men fall off. The entire push against racism was appealing to a common humanity - or if you were in the socialist tradition their position as fellow workers who are also exploited for their labor.
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Tankbuster posted:yeah because maximus is a coward who has started to do the right thing occasionally because lucy is there to make doe eyes at him. Without her he reverts back to his regular behavior which is craving validity from his superiors. He had already given up on the Brotherhood when Thaddeus left him to die. He doesn't crave validity from his superiors at all, he was all in on the Lucy train the moment they had a connection.
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:He had already given up on the Brotherhood when Thaddeus left him to die. He doesn't crave validity from his superiors at all, he was all in on the Lucy train the moment they had a connection. I think it would be giving Nolan too much credit, but I was thinking how poorly Maximus fits in the armour echos The Coward Knight? Et son haubere et son escu, Et son hiaume a son col pendu, Et li trainoient contreval Sour la croupe de son cheval (vss. 42137)
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Tankbuster posted:This is where all the racism metaphors both in this and/or x-men fall off. The entire push against racism was appealing to a common humanity - or if you were in the socialist tradition their position as fellow workers who are also exploited for their labor. The big joke about racism in Fallout was revealed in 2 because all humans have mild exposure to both radiation and FEV. No matter how superficially normal people seem to appear, everyone who isn't a vault dweller has been mildly mutated by exposure to the atmosphere. The plan the Enclave had to wipe out all mutants in the world for the sake of baseline humanity would have killed themselves, because the Enclave weren't hermetically sealed inside of their base at the oil rig. It's a play on race being fake poo poo invented to justify colonialism and genocide.
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No, he hadn't left up anything. That happens when he gets to live for a bit in vault 4. The show clearly telegraphs it when he is introduced to the comforts of vault life and considers staying there. He gives all that up thinking lucy is in danger because his connection/feelings to her are stronger by then. Its why he gives her the head and lets her run away thinking he can con the BoS with the head. When it doesn't work he panics, is boxed in by knights you are supposed to be scared of and blurts out where the tech macguffin is. The heroism he sees is at the end when moldaver sacrifices the last of her strength to bring back power to the wider LA area. He has an example of what a knight should be and it has clearly affected him because the character at the start would have done anything to put on a suit of power armor and feel like a badass bossing his inferiors around. Pener Kropoopkin posted:The big joke about racism in Fallout was revealed in 2 because all humans have mild exposure to both radiation and FEV. No matter how superficially normal people seem to appear, everyone who isn't a vault dweller has been mildly mutated by exposure to the atmosphere. The plan the Enclave had to wipe out all mutants in the world for the sake of baseline humanity would have killed themselves, because the Enclave weren't hermetically sealed inside of their base at the oil rig. It's a play on race being fake poo poo invented to justify colonialism and genocide. Yeah the game where you go box mike tyson and be a pornstar had such a nuanced take on racism that the popular culture hadn't caught up to it yet. Ghouls are further along the spectrum to largely normal people living in the wasteland with the Enclave having even less exposure who see the others as inhuman beasts to be culled for the land to be settled. Tankbuster has issued a correction as of 01:17 on Apr 15, 2024 |
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CODChimera posted:what!! how much did you watch? season 2 is amazing like first third or half of season 1. maybe it "gets good" but i don't believe it. watching paint dry was more exciting
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Tankbuster posted:No, he hadn't left up anything. That happens when he gets to live for a bit in vault 4. The show clearly telegraphs it when he is introduced to the comforts of vault life and considers staying there. He gives all that up thinking lucy is in danger because his connection/feelings to her are stronger by then. Its why he gives her the head and lets her run away thinking he can con the BoS with the head. When it doesn't work he panics, is boxed in by knights you are supposed to be scared of and blurts out where the tech macguffin is. There's no reason to believe that Maximus has meaningfully changed his character like that. The whole reason he wanted to be a knight in the first place is because he believes that knights help people based on his childhood rescue. He was always acting in accordance to his sense of heroism, and the ending doesn't change that. What changes is his view of the Brotherhood as a force of positive change.
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Tankbuster posted:Yeah the game where you go box mike tyson and be a pornstar had such a nuanced take on racism that the popular culture hadn't caught up to it yet. Ghouls are further along the spectrum to largely normal people living in the wasteland with the Enclave having even less exposure who see the others as inhuman beasts to be culled for the land to be settled. I don't even understand what you're saying here. You're not making a point. Racism is a huge recurring theme in Fallout 2, and you think that the big reveal during the climax wasn't a commentary on that?
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:There's no reason to believe that Maximus has meaningfully changed his character like that. The whole reason he wanted to be a knight in the first place is because he believes that knights help people based on his childhood rescue. He was always acting in accordance to his sense of heroism, and the ending doesn't change that. What changes is his view of the Brotherhood as a force of positive change. So you have a brotherhood knight and a trusty squire - who has burned out with the brotherhood's ideals and there is a group of people nearby who clearly need a noble and heroic figure to pick up the torch. Its good enough for next season. He also sees the ghoul delete an entire brotherhood strike team which shows that knights aren't as invincible as they are.
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Son of Sorrow posted:big iron on his hip good song
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:I don't even understand what you're saying here. You're not making a point. Racism is a huge recurring theme in Fallout 2, and you think that the big reveal during the climax wasn't a commentary on that? Its fantasy racism where the differences between people aren't just superficial - being served to further capitalist ends - but physiological to such an extent that a certain subset of the population lives for hundreds of years, another subset of genetically modified people are green hulking barbarians while the bulk of the population has slight mutations based on pulp ideas. All in all the show has Son of Sorrow posted:big iron on his hip
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in fallout there are two kinds of racism the racism towards muties and the racism towards tribals the enclave is racist against both and considers both muties
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Tankbuster posted:So you have a brotherhood knight and a trusty squire - who has burned out with the brotherhood's ideals and there is a group of people nearby who clearly need a noble and heroic figure to pick up the torch. Its good enough for next season. He also sees the ghoul delete an entire brotherhood strike team which shows that knights aren't as invincible as they are. He already knew that knights weren't invincible because he watched one get owned by a yao guai, and he got owned himself by Howard with a combat knife. Maximus being a prisoner of expectations and unable to leave the Brotherhood is a good setup for next season because of his shift in orientation, but his actual character hasn't changed.
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now as you can see here by this chart i created the brotherhood of steel is woke but if you go away from fallout 3 to the good games they are chuds
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Son of Sorrow posted:A Third Way... the running theory now is that the brotherhood in the salt-flats clearly has recruited among legion remnants because they make their toaster humping more explicit with religious altars and latin names. Lmao Arthur Maxson gorbachev arc.
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thats fallout 4 you retard (goes into VATS and kicks you in the balls)
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16-bit Butt-Head posted:thats fallout 4 you retard (goes into VATS and kicks you in the balls) Show is post fallout 4. They take requests from the Commonwealth, recruit people that aren't born from brotherhood parents and have boston dipshits be their muscle.
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F Stop Fitzgerald posted:afaict everyone in the games is fascist except for The Railroad (too retarded) Of course they're all fascist. They're Americans.
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