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3rdEyeDeuteranopia posted:There are some critical changes in the Fallout TV show timeline that happen before New Vegas and even House is different. What are the changes? I've seen people talking about the chalkboard timeline and pretty sure "fall of shady sands" refers to the first battle of hoover dam so the nuking definitely happens after New Vegas in my interpretation of that timeline
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RBA Starblade posted:The STALKER weapons work so well though A well foliaged fallout game with more tacticool gear is really fun and its how I play it from time to time. pizzabutt posted:What are the changes? I've seen people talking about the chalkboard timeline and pretty sure "fall of shady sands" refers to the first battle of hoover dam so the nuking definitely happens after New Vegas in my interpretation of that timeline House is different because he is shown as one of the guys in the Dr Strangelove Cabal, maybe the first among equals which is different from the omnipotent deity he presents himself as who saved vegas from all the horror by calculating when the war would happen. Tankbuster fucked around with this message at 01:02 on Apr 15, 2024 |
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Apr 15, 2024 00:58
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One thing I will say is despite criticism with elements of how the NCR is used narratively, I like thst they do show the NCR established a new society, new infrastructure, new construction and printing and such. It'd a very small element of the story but I appreciated it. Somebody had to make those signs.
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Apr 15, 2024 01:01
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Predictions for Season 2 - NCR made a play for The Strip (as per closing credits) and lost - Mr House is in control (possibly with the backing of a certain mailman), and has expanded the outer perimeter to include Freeside and surrounds. - Hoover drat got blown up for one of a dozen reasons (my money is on The Legion doing out of spite), hence no lights in NV - The possibility of Cold Fusion is of massive game changer for Mr House as it will restore light to his precious New Vegas, creating conflict between NV and The Brotherhood Also, Lucy and Cooper run into a Mojave Express Courier on the road and Cooper acts opt to give them a wide berth or acts with incredible politeness; "you don't gently caress with The Mailmen 'round here." 
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Apr 15, 2024 01:46
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Poor Eric Estrada. The real victim of it all. Divorced of my liking for New Vegas especially, I enjoyed it. I felt it was a little juvenile to make people like House and every other named company part of the crappy Illuminati. Plus it just seems redundant with the Enclave and counter to what House was doing in New Vegas to begin with. So they blew up Shady Sands. What about Arroyo, Vault City, Redding, New Reno, San Francisco...etc.? I know people like Avellone have been quoted as saying the idea of rebuilding after the apocalypse is counter to what they originally envisioned, but imo post-post-apocalyptic societies are more interesting. Ah well, I'll watch a second season if it gets made.
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Apr 15, 2024 01:53
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One little thing I liked is that the Enclave was just in one episode, basically only there to setup the macguffin, but is otherwise not a factor. Kept things from getting too messy for the general audience ("wait, there are TWO techno-fascist groups and that one is just slightly more evil?") but still makes perfect sense if you know the broader context from the gamesTankbuster posted:House is different because he is shown as one of the guys in the Dr Strangelove Cabal, maybe the first among equals which is different from the omnipotent deity he presents himself as who saved vegas from all the horror by calculating when the war would happen. This is perfectly in line with House as presented in game, read his self-written eulogy sometime lol
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Part of the corner they were probably trying to write themselves out of is in the context of Fallout, post-post apocalypse societies are most fun when you have a hand in building them back up, or in non-interactive media seeing how they're built. Arroyo is cool because you understand it as a natural growth of what you did in the first game, etc. NCR is cool because you see it as the apotheosis of what was being built in the first two etc. To translate that for the show audience they probably felt like they had to kick over some sand castles. I'm not sure that's the best call, another option would just to go with another setting, like the Great Lakes or something. But that probably wouldn't let them play with the same toys or the same locales they wanted.
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Rougey posted:Predictions for Season 2 I can't imagine they have a Mr. House cameo and then don't use them in season 2.
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Owlbear Camus posted:Part of the corner they were probably trying to write themselves out of is in the context of Fallout, post-post apocalypse societies are most fun when you have a hand in building them back up, or in non-interactive media seeing how they're built. Arroyo is cool because you understand it as a natural growth of what you did in the first game, etc. NCR is cool because you see it as the apotheosis of what was being built in the first two etc. I see it also being a bit of synthesis with how they wanted to do their characters arcs. Episode 5-6? combines Lucy learning about the NCR with the ambiguity of Max's belief that he was there when the bombs fell, along with the later reveal of Lucy's true childhood. the writers wanted the element of a destructive inciting mystery incident that could be used 3 ways like that, but as an incident that would lead to the NCR being removed entirely from that area is a bit weak I think, in a show that's trying to ground the goofy with pathos.
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Bright Bart posted:I'm just about half-way through. My thoughts: People have posted some joke answers, but the truth is we will probably never know unless someone close to him writes some sort of tell-all. He's experienced both critical and commercial success in his career so why do this? I think it's a getting off on the power sort of thing. I mean, the man personally drove into each and every one of our living rooms and took a hot steaming poo poo on our copies of New Vegas and you can see the shills in this thread happily eating it up and begging for more. He has played them for absolute fools. On a more serious note, I just finished the series and enjoyed it quite a bit. I've only played NV and 4 and I didn't finish 4 so, I don't really care about the lore (although the timelines seemed fine to me?), but I felt like it hit the right vibe. The violence reminded me a lot of Ash vs Evil Dead, though it may be just the only two places I've seen the ol fork-in-the-eye move. Based on a cursory google it doesn't look like they shared production teams, but I'm also not sure what job description I'd even be looking for. I thought the story was well told, although I really didn't like Lucy's characterization at the beginning. She was too over the top nice; I know vault dwellers are supposed to be naifs, but I think the show played it too hard. It does make her character arc more noticeable though and I did like the character arcs. Although (like ep. 5 i guess, hardly even qualifies as a spoiler) romance between her and Maximus makes logical sense, but I don't think they have great chemistry. I'm glad the story dealt with wasteland wandering and the vaults and didn't revolve around NCR politics. I don't know why people on reddit care so much about the NCR that they'd want their Fallout show to be about that bullshit. It's like demanding Star Wars have less space battles and more galactic senate votes. Cameos were great. When I first heard the Mr. Handy I chuckled that it sounded like Laszlo Cravensworth loaned his voice out for them, fuckin hell. Fred Armisen, I don't really like, but he works well in small doses like that. Lol Michael Rappaport. Also I didn't realize chickens and left feet had such a hard knock life in the wasteland. ep.7 I do wonder if Moldovar/Williams was one of Bud's buddies and that's why Hank wasn't weirded out when she showed up as overseer of 32 (presuming that he would have recognized her from Bud's Buddies and/or Shady Sands. Maybe he didn't see her at Shady and didn't know all the buddies so just figured she was one of the crew). She had connections pre-war. I also wonder if there's some info buried in the list of overseers that Lucy's brother went through.
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Who the gently caress is house?
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Boris Galerkin posted:Who the gently caress is house? He's a doctor.
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Boris Galerkin posted:Who the gently caress is house? An antagonist from FONV
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Dopilsya posted:People have posted some joke answers, but the truth is we will probably never know unless someone close to him writes some sort of tell-all. He's experienced both critical and commercial success in his career so why do this? I think it's a getting off on the power sort of thing. I mean, the man personally drove into each and every one of our living rooms and took a hot steaming poo poo on our copies of New Vegas and you can see the shills in this thread happily eating it up and begging for more. He has played them for absolute fools. I dunno, the shows pretty scathingly political. It's pretty cohesive in its disdain for the trappings of disfunctional democracy and its mutation into oligarchy and worse, with characters being not very subtle about it and the framing of the humor around the subject pretty acerbic. The decision to explore it by sidestepping the major game faction that embodies it to tell a mixed past-present story I'm mixed on. Actually mixed, I think as a framing device for new viewers it's a good choice, but the decisions around how it handles vault tec and the state of California make the world feel smaller than the games that I like do. Sharkopath fucked around with this message at 02:37 on Apr 15, 2024 |
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Owlbear Camus posted:An antagonist from FONV Hey, he told me he was the protagonist!
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Boris Galerkin posted:Who the gently caress is house? real answer which isn't really a spoiler, but I'll just spoil anyway on the chance a TV watcher doesn't want to be aware of background game information incorporated into the show: Mr. House is basically the Fallout equivalent of Howard Hughes. In Fallout: New Vegas he's a very old man living a stasis chamber, in his Vegas Strip casino, the Lucky 38. In the show he's in the pre-war flashback scene as one of the "tycoons of industry." He is responsible for Las Vegas having been mostly untouched during the war, as he was able to install a missile defense system to stop most of the nukes in the area. He also is able to enforce a physical presence for himself in the area via a robot army. There is of course a lot more information out him, but that's a tl;dr that will likely be relevant in season 2.
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Dopilsya posted:
I'm pretty sure they meant cooper howard (the ghoul)
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Nichael posted:In the show he's in the pre-war flashback scene as one of the "tycoons of industry." Which one was he? I just remember Barb and Bud Askings because he says his name like a million times.
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Boris Galerkin posted:Which one was he? I just remember Barb and Bud Askings because he says his name like a million times. Mustache man poo poo talking people about losing money on casinos.
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Boris Galerkin posted:Which one was he? I just remember Barb and Bud Askings because he says his name like a million times. Rob[ert House]Co
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TIP posted:I'm pretty sure they meant cooper howard (the ghoul) Todd Howard is the real ghoul. 🚬😎
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Old Doggy Bastard posted:Todd Howard is the real ghoul. 🚬😎 Wait, Todd Howard was The Ghoul all along, and all those other flashbacks were just a red herring? Wow, did not see that twist coming, but thinking about it, it does make sense.
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Yeah, well it makes sense, Cooper presumably died with his daughter trying to get to a vault. If he was the same person then why wouldn't The Ghoul be in the vault with his wife and daughter, unless they like turned him away because he was too irradiated.
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There's no dogs allowed in the Vault
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Flesh Forge posted:There's no dogs allowed in the Vault Better not to go then. 
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Episode 6: You can call the Vault-Tec number they show on the screen at the beginning for a fun little surprise.
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rabidcowfromhell posted:Episode 6: You can call the Vault-Tec number they show on the screen at the beginning for a fun little surprise. scared the poo poo out of me at 2:30 am
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Rewatching the series with the gf this weekend and it occured to me, how has The Ghoul stayed not-feral while buried in that grave 
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Sab669 posted:Rewatching the series with the gf this weekend and it occured to me, how has The Ghoul stayed not-feral while buried in that grave He had a drip hanging off a post.
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Oh that's right. I did notice it at the time and then forgot, I guess.
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Sab669 posted:Oh that's right. I did notice it at the time and then forgot, I guess. What happened to dem bags?
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I really liked how the show made power armor a joke. Constantly falling over and almost incapable of holding a gun
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TowerofOil posted:I really liked how the show made power armor a joke. Constantly falling over and almost incapable of holding a gun I was fine with most of that stuff, but the bit in the last episode with Cooper being able to take them out in a single gunshot due to a "design flaw" did strike me as a bit silly.
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TowerofOil posted:I really liked how the show made power armor a joke. Constantly falling over and almost incapable of holding a gun I am definitely reading to much into something that ain't there, but if the T-45 was (relatively) cheap, mass produced, and rushed into service while the T-60 just an upgrade of the T-45 with a bunch of fun features but a lot of the same design flaws... just like the Bethesda Fallout Games  EDIT: DaveWoo posted:I was fine with most of that stuff, but the bit in the last episode with Cooper being able to take them out in a single gunshot due to a "design flaw" did strike me as a bit silly. That's military grade hardware for you built by the lowest bidder EDIT EDIT: Also if drat near anyone can use the T-60 armour then the wearer isn't nearly as important; just retrieve it from the field, hose it out and throw in a new guy. Rougey fucked around with this message at 04:11 on Apr 15, 2024 |
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DaveWoo posted:I was fine with most of that stuff, but the bit in the last episode with Cooper being able to take them out in a single gunshot due to a "design flaw" did strike me as a bit silly. He's just got insane pistol perks. The show works on video game logic, and it's funny as hell.
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DaveWoo posted:I was fine with most of that stuff, but the bit in the last episode with Cooper being able to take them out in a single gunshot due to a "design flaw" did strike me as a bit silly. Isn't that just a critical hit?
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SCheeseman posted:Isn't that just a critical hit? Maybe, but he also mentions a problem with the welding (creating a weak spot that is easy to penetrate) and proceeds to exploit said weakness
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He's been around literally the whole time. He's probably high level and has crazy VATS abilities.
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Rougey posted:Maybe, but he also mentions a problem with the welding (creating a weak spot that is easy to penetrate) and proceeds to exploit said weakness They did at least bring up previously he knew about how that particular type of power amour was a bit poo poo and got a bunch of his friends killed, so at least it wasn't exactly an out of nowhere thing. But yeah I was fine with it, because as said the show obviously at times was working on very video game logic, which they had some great subtle gags about, and it fit the over all vibe of the show. If the show had been going for a much more realistic tone may of been a bit out of place, but who wants to see a "totally realistic" take of loving fallout. You can still make it a bit darker and serious and still have it work, but there is still so much inherent goofiness and weirdness in the setting.
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dr_rat posted:But yeah I was fine with it, because as said the show obviously at times was working on very video game logic, which they had some great subtle gags about, and it fit the over all vibe of the show. I like how they worked all of that into the show and it's narrative. I guess it stands as a testament to the quality of Fallout that "it's like the video game" isn't derisive like it usually is.
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