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The Locator posted:Loaded up on relic prophecies and killed the emperor again... Do prophecies help with boss drops? Or only increase the odds of LP?
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Just the latter, CoF doesn't really boost boas unique drops at all which is probably its biggest flaw.
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Apr 17, 2024 14:36
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I'm making a 2nd Lich to try some things out on, because respeccing is such a pain. I'm thinking trying different ways of stacking poison or bleed. I have like 3 2-LP Mad Alchemist Ladles and Chaos Bolts might be a fun skill to stack on hit effects with. Lich is pretty much locked into Reaper Form and Death Seal, but both of those have a node that gives you increased chance to poison on hit, about 110% chance combined. if you're in poison, you need aura of decay, which, with all the on hit chance, and ailment frequency nodes, and poison resist shred is something like 400% chance to apply poison/sec before any poison chance from your weapon. Chaos bolts is 2 hits, can proc rip blood twice a second, and sometimes harvest and bone curse. so its applying something like 6 stacks a second at least. throw a Rotmind on there to buff poison damage, stack %poison damage and Damage over time and int and you probably got something
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Apr 17, 2024 14:55
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Dallan Invictus posted:Just the latter, CoF doesn't really boost boas unique drops at all which is probably its biggest flaw. I did not know that. I figured if I took a bunch of unique relic prophecies specific to the boss that drops what I want, that each relic dropped from the kill would have a chance to be the heart. That's kinda crappy if that's not the case, but oh well.
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Apr 17, 2024 18:34
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 i jumped back on my warlock for a bit and decided to go for a big slam on a whim. the other 2 mods were absolute poo poo.
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Apr 18, 2024 10:03
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 thats 85 mil down the drain lol
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May 5, 2024 08:36
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What were you going for? Two of those mods seem at least okay.
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May 5, 2024 14:50
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i missed the t7 lightning damage. ideal slam would have been lightning, multi, health on melee hit
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May 5, 2024 16:21
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https://forum.lastepoch.com/t/last-epoch-roadmap/70970
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May 7, 2024 19:05
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Why, yes, I would like to have some more skill trees in my skill trees.
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May 7, 2024 19:20
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with all the red circles the game throws at you i think a dodge mechanic will be welcome. nemesis encounters could be cool depending on what exactly they mean. 1.2 all sounds like extremely my poo poo so im looking forward to that one. i wonder what skill sigils will be. maybe like an additional specialization layer. one thing ive noticed is that once you get your skills all finished around lvl 80 or whatever leveling gets a little less exciting since you lose a number-go-up vector. i would like if this was an extra thing on top to address that. also interesting poll. i kind of like the idea of locking the bosses to cycle for 1 week and then letting legacy characters blast it. one thing poe racers say all the time is that they dont like practicing the bosses on standard and wish it wasnt a thing but since it is they are kind of forced to do it otherwise they are just throwing. e: one that that isnt on there is any new factions. i wonder if they have put adding new ones on the backburner. i have been hoping for a crafting focused one. Awesome! fucked around with this message at 19:38 on May 7, 2024 |
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May 7, 2024 19:30
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Dodge roll is another button on what was a button heavy game already. Meh Also a way for the devs to ignore balancing stat and gear based defenses “just get good” . Meh
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May 7, 2024 19:42
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dodge roll is cool but I don't think that's enough for me to reroll and play a new cycle for. all of this will come to the eternal servers on launch too so I'll just load up and old character to check it out. 1.3 looks like the next time I'll be playing a cycle, but if 1.2 is impressive enough I'll pop on for that too
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May 7, 2024 20:13
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Tonetta posted:dodge roll is cool but I don't think that's enough for me to reroll 
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May 7, 2024 20:47
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Wasn't the biggest fan of the boss fights in LE, PoE and D4 did them better in my opinion. Hope these pinnacles turn out great.
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May 8, 2024 09:17
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I really don't like being a downer on this game but I am very much not a fan of adding dodge rolls. When people ask for a dodge roll in your ARPG, it's because you made encounters that feel as though they require a dodge roll. I consider adding the dodge roll a complete failure of encounter design. Honestly sad to see this development. I can only pray I'm wrong and they ensure it's a pure buff and they don't start designing encounters around their availability. 
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May 8, 2024 12:15
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To me it feels more like dodge roll is a feature the game is currently missing considering the severity of enemy damage scaling, how frequently movement skills are paired with offensive attacks and how they're all on a shared cooldown. Right now you can't use teleport offensively in the ways you'd like to because you're just as likely to gib yourself on the next enemy attack. With every class having dodge roll as a basic feature you can now actually use movement skills to do fun stuff instead of diving in and getting splatted instantly, or having to save your teleport for an escape when you'd really rather use it for offense.
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May 8, 2024 12:19
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The game is already built around having a dodge. The only difference is that currently you're forced to slot one.
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May 8, 2024 12:24
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euphronius posted:Dodge roll is another button on what was a button heavy game already. This is the worst part, I can't even think of where a dodge button would fit on my controller setup
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May 8, 2024 14:09
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The damage will get even more insane and you will be forced to do precise dodge rolls and your gear and skills dedicated to defense will be useless and a waste It’s …. Like not the genre. This isn’t a souls genre ahhhh. Oh well I guess things change
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May 8, 2024 14:13
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the dodge roll in grim dawn was one of the best things added in the qol patch. not sure how it will shake up for this
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May 8, 2024 14:18
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I dunno if it's "not the genre" really - and hey, genres can change? In theory I like the idea of more active and engaged gameplay in ARPGs, my concern is really just practical. It's one thing in D4, which is designed around it and is also streamlined around it. But there seem to be way fewer one button builds in this game or in POE so it feels like it'll be a more complicated fit. Guess we'll have to see though?
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May 8, 2024 14:30
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Yeah genres change I guess.
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May 8, 2024 14:34
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Voxx posted:the dodge roll in grim dawn was one of the best things added in the qol patch. not sure how it will shake up for this yeah agreed, grim dawn fuckin owns i enjoyed my time with last epoch but then the poe league hit and i wen back and that game is just so far beyond every other arpg right now
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May 8, 2024 14:36
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Dodge roll wouldn't be a necessity if lazy devs let us simply bring teleport cooldowns down to 0, as the Lords of Hell intended.
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May 8, 2024 14:37
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I've been playing a lot of Lich, and I'm pretty tanky but there's a LOT of poo poo you have to dodge. Reap is pretty much entirely a dodge skill, and if I fail to dodge one of the many, many boss attacks that will hit hard enough to knock me out of reaper form, I'm basically guaranteed to die like 4 seconds later because I can no longer dodge with Reap. It kinda removes the point to having an extra health bar if having to use the extra health bar means you're already dead anyway. It's like defenses are only for echoes, and don't actually work on bosses. I get that not every hit should be tanked, like if it's clearly telegraphed, and clearly possible to dodge then if you do get on hit, it should suck (also tanking boss attacks because you have 20k ward doesn't count, because that's clearly not intended and is going to be removed.) but bosses have a lot of attacks that will insta-kill you. Like Lagon is ok, his beam and moon attacks have basically infinite damage, but both are telegraphed and entirely dodgeable. His other attacks like the claw slam, and the waves and the single burst from his eye are all tankable, can be dodged, but don't need to be. On the other hand you have Julra, where EVERYTHING needs to be dodged and its everyone's least favorite fight. Also in echos, those scarab riders that throw exploding spears, or those bats/cats that do the cone breath attack or scream or whatever probably need adjusting, either so you can tank them, or they don't do so much damage in the first tick since there's not really a telegraph. I mean yeah they do those attacks when they get in melee, but then they also have a dash that puts them in melee with no telegraph. Basically defenses need to be looked at before they think of adding a dodge. They need to take away Ward as a crutch, and maybe add another kind of 1-shot protection on top of Endurance. If they want to make a game like Hades, that's 1 thing, but ARPGs aren't like that. Some people like making builds that clear screens, some people like making unkillable tanky builds, and some people like making hyper-fast builds that kill the minimum number of enemies but clear stuff really fast. Adding a dodge means that they just start making bosses for only one of those kinds of builds.
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May 8, 2024 15:12
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I already feel almost 100% compelled to have some kind of dodge skill bound at the moment. Making it a separate thing that doesn’t need one of my limited slots/skill allocations sounds like a great idea if it’s sufficiently good.
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May 8, 2024 15:22
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Anno posted:I already feel almost 100% compelled to have some kind of dodge skill bound at the moment. Making it a separate thing that doesn’t need one of my limited slots/skill allocations sounds like a great idea if it’s sufficiently good. Would we still want a dodge if having a movement skill wasn't 100% mandatory? Like if you could get tankier, or get 1-shot protection for those times when you just fail to manually dodge, or bosses had fewer skills that you had to dodge or die.
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May 8, 2024 15:45
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Every single modern ARPG has a movement skill in nearly every character build, sometimes multiple. This is because, as Sonic revealed to us some 30 years ago, going fast is fun and this enjoyment is enhanced further when one is also killing monsters with high velocity. Dodge rolls are fine, but they are ultimately a band-aid for something that should be a core element to any decent ARPG -- assuming movement skills will be necessary and building around the expectation that players will eventually want to zip around the map at 10,000 miles per hour, because as mentioned previously, going fast is fun.
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May 8, 2024 15:50
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A Moose posted:Would we still want a dodge if having a movement skill wasn't 100% mandatory? Like if you could get tankier, or get 1-shot protection for those times when you just fail to manually dodge, or bosses had fewer skills that you had to dodge or die. I absolutely would. I’m sort of shocked that anyone wouldn’t. I don’t see how more mobility options could possibly make the game worse. I guess I have been wanting arpgs to have real game play for a long time, though.
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A Moose posted:Would we still want a dodge if having a movement skill wasn't 100% mandatory? Like if you could get tankier, or get 1-shot protection for those times when you just fail to manually dodge, or bosses had fewer skills that you had to dodge or die. I would, yeah. Like I’d certainly prefer that other defensive options were more viable as well, but if I’m playing one of these games I want at least one button that makes my character dash/blink/whatever. Those just feel good to press and usually offer good skill expression opportunities.
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euphronius posted:It’s …. Like not the genre. This isn’t a souls genre ahhhh. Oh well I guess things change for better or worse, it's the entire genre now unless you're just playing poe, torchlight, or other arpg's released half a decade ago. d4, poe2, no rest for the wicked, and now le all have dodge rolls. as le stands right now, you don't need a dodge roll to dodge virtually everything in the game if you have a strong mechanical understanding, but it is nice to have so you don't have to feel like you HAVE to take a movement skill ability to travel between packs or whatever, that otherwise doesn't really make sense for your build. I'm not of the opinion that designers are going to put pools of annoying poo poo everywhere (outside of maybe bossing) just to justify the use for a dodge roll. instead, I'm expecting it's more so they can have more open design space on character abilities and players more space in which to optimize their builds for their playstyle. they probably won't be removing any of the movement abilities already in the game, but we won't get the full benefit from having that extra open skill until 1.4 (or whatever the patch they're adding abilities in) either unless they do some big reworks on existing abilities. e Heithinn Grasida posted:I absolutely would. I’m sort of shocked that anyone wouldn’t. I don’t see how more mobility options could possibly make the game worse. I guess I have been wanting arpgs to have real game play for a long time, though. you should give no rest for the wicked a try. there isn't much content to it right now, but the combat itself is great. the level cap is 30 right now, but you probably won't hit it before running out of content if you're good at "survival" combat. Tonetta fucked around with this message at 16:25 on May 8, 2024 |
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May 8, 2024 16:18
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D3 console has dodge roll too
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May 8, 2024 16:28
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I just want more content. This game already feels so much better than PoE does (tried the new season, couldn't get back into it), but the endgame just needs some TLC. Give me more reasons to stand still and RotS-style wave my
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I play a mage and my movement skills mercs half the screen it's awesome
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euphronius posted:D3 console has dodge roll too The argument is as simple as this: Without a dodge roll, the game designer should be designing around the idea that some people won't have movement tech. With a dodge roll, a game designer will design around the idea that all people have movement tech. This can be both good and bad. From my experience, it's a coin flip over which it ends up actually being. D3 did it well, D4 does it poorly, Grim Dawn did it well, PoE 2 could go either way, and now LE is going into the list. If you feel like LE needed this, then it means the designer didn't design around people not having movement tech. The solution shouldn't have been adding free movement tech for everyone, it should have been redesigning the encounters. But that's just my game design thinking cap. I'd love to be wrong and LE has the chance to prove me wrong. We'll see. exquisite tea posted:Every single modern ARPG has a movement skill in nearly every character build, sometimes multiple. This is because, as Sonic revealed to us some 30 years ago, going fast is fun and this enjoyment is enhanced further when one is also killing monsters with high velocity. Compare an contrast all that against peoples' expectations and wants out of the genre and you end up with different opinions on the dodge roll discussion, NRFTW's mixed reviews, and PoE 2's mixed reception among folks who have gotten their hands on it. I don't know if the LE designers have talked about it but I wouldn't be surprised if they're trying to meet the needs of both ends of the gameplay spectrum (complex combat vs bulldozing, bossing vs mapping) and the dodge roll is really their next step towards favoring the complex combat side. DaveKap fucked around with this message at 00:26 on May 9, 2024 |
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All I can say is it is EXTREMELY frustrating to fight a boss for 5-6 minutes and get hit by something big because shift or whatever is on cooldown and get to start all over. IMO Rahyeh is an example of a really fun boss. He's got some monster big hits, but every one has a decent tell and the fight is much more about you recognizing them and positioning yourself right. I'll run his timeline multiple times just to get to fight him, it feels like a fun challenge where you have to be pretty on your game. Every time I've ever died to Rahyeh I've said, "Oh, look, I hosed up" and went right back at him. Also IMO Lagon is an example of a totally unfun boss. There's just too much going on, and it's way too easy to shift/port/whatever away from a one-hit directly into a combo wave/claw/lightning bolt. That second phase of running around trying to stay on the 30% of the screen that is not actively deadly is pretty dreadful, VERY rarely have I died there and thought "Oh I hosed up" instead of "What the gently caress was I supposed to do there?" Then if you get through all that bullshit he doesn't even die, just says "Ha ha you little fucker that was fun to watch, now scram!" Shout out to God Hunter Argentus and his voice actor, the smuggest loving guy. "This lance, will make me a GOD!"
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Lagon isn't even the worst, I've had more consistent problems with the bosses for lightless arbor and the fire necro dungeon.
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JonathonSpectre posted:All I can say is it is EXTREMELY frustrating to fight a boss for 5-6 minutes and get hit by something big because shift or whatever is on cooldown and get to start all over. I like how diablo 3 handled this where everyone just got a "get out of death free" passive on a long cooldown. Now 1 single mistake won't set you back several minutes, and they don't have to design every encounter around everyone having unlimited movement.
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I love souls games where I spend days grinding my molars into dust trying to beat a tough boss for a cool item. I love ARPGs where I spend days effortlessly blowing through thousands of baddies to get a cool item with a miniscule drop rate. Combining the two sounds like an absolute nightmare. I'm not saying LE is there, but it seems to be where ARPGs are heading. And I don't like it.
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