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domhal posted:LOL which country does he want to be PM of? Germany, 1933.
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Apr 21, 2024 11:26
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Azza Bamboo posted:Every time I think about not-voting, I hear my dad's voice yelling, "People died so you can have that vote!" Why are all the "you are what your paperwork says you are, not what your imagination says you are" people so obsessed with identifying as part of a country that stopped existing in the 1700s?
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Apr 21, 2024 11:33
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There’s writing on that flag, I don’t want any of that woke* text on there I want a proper flag. ENGERLAND ENGERLAND. Labour still doing the leaning right and all those “Strategic Labour Voting Left” lot still with a large amount of hopium. * Woke in this context, as always, means whatever increases your blood pressure the most.
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Apr 21, 2024 11:38
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Just stick this on every campaign ad the SNP run
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Apr 21, 2024 12:38
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The main thing that makes me dislike the flag is the people who are obsessed with the loving thing.
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Apr 21, 2024 12:58
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Nice of him to make clear which country it is, specifically, that he cares about appealing to.
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Apr 21, 2024 13:02
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https://twitter.com/KemiBadenoch/status/1781226661142298882 Kemi Badenoch: Instead of telling children that their heritage is built on slavery and exploitation, they should instead read my favourite book "Why Nations Fail" The book reader has logged on quote:Though some new, and sometimes powerful, states did form to exploit the slave trade, they were based on warfare and plunder. The critical juncture of the discovery of the Americas may have helped England develop inclusive institutions but it made institutions in Africa even more extractive. Though the slave trade mostly ended after 1807, subsequent European colonialism not only threw into reverse nascent economic modernization in parts of southern and western Africa but also cut off any possibility of indigenous institutional reform. This meant that even outside of areas such as Congo, Madagascar, Namibia, and Tanzania, the areas where plunder, mass disruption, and even whole-scale murder were the rule, there was little chance for Africa to change its institutional path. Even worse, the structures of colonial rule left Africa with a more complex and pernicious institutional legacy in the 1960s than at the start of the colonial period. I mean if you open it up halfway, having never previously read it, while drunk, I guess you could get the sense that Africa just kept hitting itself for no reason. Other than that I'm lost here, either this is some Situationist performance art troll to get people to read criticism of colonialism or she's very stupid. 
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Apr 21, 2024 13:06
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Slavery and the rule of law, two things that are definitely not compatible.
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Apr 21, 2024 13:21
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OwlFancier posted:The main thing that makes me dislike the flag is the people who are obsessed with the loving thing. It's a poo poo flag too. The only reason why we have it is due to laziness and appropriation. Trading ships in the Middle Ages often still flew the Patrician of Genoa's flag when returning to UK ports. With the absence of a national flag of our own, we just stole it as ours.
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Apr 21, 2024 13:27
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fuctifino posted:It's a poo poo flag too. The only reason why we have it is due to laziness and appropriation. Trading ships in the Middle Ages often still flew the Patrician of Genoa's flag when returning to UK ports. With the absence of a national flag of our own, we just stole it as ours. Interesting! So England has an Italian flag, a Turkish patron saint, any other good tidbits? I just found out today that St Andrew was the Andrew brother of St Peter from Galilee (so Palestinian or Judean if you will).
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Apr 21, 2024 13:32
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Tijuana Bibliophile posted:liberals are pretty consistent in their defense of human rights, they're just very flexible in their definitions of human INot liberals in general, there is still a capital-L Liberal party.
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Apr 21, 2024 13:37
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OwlFancier posted:Slavery and the rule of law, two things that are definitely not compatible. I guess if you wanted to distinguish between the two, the modern successor to the Enlightenment type would be called "universal human rights" but I think Badenoch goes into a panic thinking about those. *but not prison slavery, as per the US Constitution **ofc in the real world people made up all kinds of lovely excuses, "it must end, but sadly not in my lifetime while they're doing all my work so I can write fancy doctrines, terrible really"
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Apr 21, 2024 13:40
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A certain type will exalt Britain to the high heavens for banning slavery, while completely glossing over the fact that slaveowners were finanically compensated for the loss of slaves afterwards instead of being made to pay in any way whatsoever. So western, so Christian, so noble
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Apr 21, 2024 13:42
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:Interesting! There's the story of St George that some children get taught at school, which is that he was a knight travelling to Israel for a crusade, but got a bit lost and ended up in Libya, where his heroic deeds took place. Israel and Libya are some distance apart, so either St George was a complete loving idiot who couldn't speak the local language well enough to get on a boat going the right way; or he was a conscientious objector to the crusades who decided to gently caress off to Cyrene, got drunk and killed a lion and found a way to ride that story into retirement.
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Apr 21, 2024 13:47
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Both of those seem like extremely English things to do.
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Apr 21, 2024 13:58
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Imagine being a patriot in the country that invented "there's no such thing as society". You'd have to be a right mug.
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Apr 21, 2024 13:58
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fuctifino posted:It's a poo poo flag too. The only reason why we have it is due to laziness and appropriation. Trading ships in the Middle Ages often still flew the Patrician of Genoa's flag when returning to UK ports. With the absence of a national flag of our own, we just stole it as ours. No, it's a weird historical myth/misconception that was popularised in the Victorian era. Sort of like the Welsh flag is often attributed to the Welsh king Cadwaladr, even though there is no direct connection to him whatsoever. A red cross is not some particularly complex design that needs to be borrowed all the way from Genoa, lol.
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Apr 21, 2024 14:07
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Can't believe Scotland stole the mirror universe Russian naval ensign.
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Apr 21, 2024 14:08
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:Interesting! There's also another Turkish saint who breaks into British people's households every December to target their children. This is widely celebrated by the British public.
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Apr 21, 2024 14:30
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Failed Imagineer posted:There's also another Turkish saint who breaks into British people's households every December to target their children. This is widely celebrated by the British public. St James of Bond, our saviour.
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Apr 21, 2024 14:31
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kingturnip posted:There's the story of St George that some children get taught at school, which is that he was a knight travelling to Israel for a crusade, but got a bit lost and ended up in Libya, where his heroic deeds took place. What? He has nothing to do with the Crusades, his veneration started centuries before the first one. If he existed, he might have been 'a conscientious objector' in the Roman army, as a Christian, but that's neither here or there, since back then it was mostly about not participating in imperial pagan rituals. Paladinus fucked around with this message at 14:38 on Apr 21, 2024 |
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Apr 21, 2024 14:36
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Children also used to get taught that Britain was founded when Brutus of Troy and his army of sea people defeated the giants that roamed the land, so I think those stories might be wrong on purpose as a joke.
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Apr 21, 2024 14:44
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It doesn't get posted much lately, but the most recent thread pod is great. Deep dive into HS2 and how hosed big projects can get. https://youtu.be/lAOA-elodBY
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Apr 21, 2024 14:46
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Guavanaut posted:Children also used to get taught that Britain was founded when Brutus of Troy and his army of sea people defeated the giants that roamed the land, so I think those stories might be wrong on purpose as a joke. Well, it's a legend, and it should be taught as such, but it should suddenly introduce Normans or whatever just because who cares it didn't happen anyway. Otherwise we get King Arthur (2004).
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Apr 21, 2024 14:52
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Paladinus posted:Well, it's a legend, and it should be taught as such, but it should suddenly introduce Normans or whatever just because who cares it didn't happen anyway. Otherwise we get King Arthur (2004). What do Norman and Mrs. Norman have to do with anything?
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Apr 21, 2024 15:21
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Paladinus posted:Well, it's a legend, and it should be taught as such, but it should suddenly introduce Normans or whatever just because who cares it didn't happen anyway. Otherwise we get King Arthur (2004). The day after I watched that film I was talking to my brother-in-law and couldn't remember what film it was I'd sat through. It took me half the week to remember. On the note about St George, I don't disagree with Guavanaut, but it's also possible that - since loads of school teachers seem to take their session plans off the internet - that lesson was written by someone drunk/stoned/stupid and presented straight-faced by the teacher. I doubt the key stage lead for History cares enough about a random Year 3 lesson to check it.
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Apr 21, 2024 15:46
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Paladinus posted:Well, it's a legend, and it should be taught as such, but it should suddenly introduce Normans or whatever just because who cares it didn't happen anyway. Otherwise we get King Arthur (2004). sebzilla posted:What do Norman and Mrs. Norman have to do with anything?
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Apr 21, 2024 15:48
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Or you have the education secretary endorsing a children's book of story and myth for school history lessons. - Preface to "Our Island Story", H. E. Marshall.
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Apr 21, 2024 16:04
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big scary monsters posted:- Preface to "Our Island Story", H. E. Marshall. It's Gove, so I was expecting a certain amount of jingoistic "rah rah the light of the British Empire benefitted* all that it touched" nonsense, but I wasn't ready for gods, fishmen, giants, Arthurian legend, the Tudors, the slave trade, and modern Britain is so great now that racism is over in 1905 to all be blended together in one narrative. No icky material analysis though, as it's a story book so it's all "and this king was wise and generous and that one was wicked and cruel" that Gove likes. *My phone keyboard kept suggesting 'genocide' instead of 'benefitted' here. It knows.
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Apr 21, 2024 16:50
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Mebh posted:It doesn't get posted much lately, but the most recent thread pod is great. Deep dive into HS2 and how hosed big projects can get. https://youtu.be/lAOA-elodBY now that's a crossover, I've been on his podcast 👀
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Apr 21, 2024 17:30
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Only read on this blog but the sources are published, Cass backpedalling furiously as their name turns to poo poo in the eyes of the world and discovers they are now best buds with transphobes and bigots* https://www.erininthemorning.com/p/dr-cass-backpedals-from-review-hrt Far too late and far too little of course, if they didn't figure how political their report would be and how it might impact trans healthcare almost immediately they're either incredibly naive or incredibly dumb. *or at least backpedalling to seem more moderate now their report is published, but not actually giving a gently caress.
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Apr 21, 2024 17:30
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NoneMoreNegative posted:Only read on this blog but the sources are published, Cass backpedalling furiously as their name turns to poo poo in the eyes of the world and discovers they are now best buds with transphobes and bigots* has anyone said "Dr rear end" yet e: maybe she'll follow the same route as Wakefield and gently caress off the US and spew her shite there, seems Florida will welcome her. sinky fucked around with this message at 17:49 on Apr 21, 2024 |
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Apr 21, 2024 17:45
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Dr Cool rear end
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Apr 21, 2024 17:49
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 That last paragraph is peak Telegraph 
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Apr 21, 2024 17:57
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Lmao "the only thing worse than rich people getting state assistance is poor people getting state assistance"
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Apr 21, 2024 17:58
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"I worked hard for my free pittance that I don't need, but of course, accept. Why should anyone else I deem unworthy get the same! Scroungers! Undeserving youths! The poor! Wokeists!!!" loving hell, how are they all so lovely? What the hell happened to empathy for your fellow humans? Imgur is working again tho, so have a picture of a good kitten. 
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Apr 21, 2024 18:03
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fuctifino posted:
MAUREEN! PEOPLE WHO HAVE LUSTED AFTER TRANSIENT PLEASURES ARE GETTING FREE BUS RIDES!!!!
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Apr 21, 2024 18:14
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The plebians desire the transient pleasure of foreign takeaways, I desire the immortal pleasure of having the state validate my lifetime of thinking I'm better than everyone else for being a tight bastard.
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Apr 21, 2024 18:17
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Mebh posted:loving hell, how are they all so lovely? What the hell happened to empathy for your fellow humans? But there's no such thing as society, only piss brained curtain twitching (not a transient pleasure).
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Apr 21, 2024 18:23
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My mum (may she ferment in piss) was a peak Torygraph reader and I can recount so many times where she voiced disdain about people getting any kind of welfare, but I remember she collected her child benefit each week, despite them both having good jobs. I remember asking her when I was ~13 why she collected it, and she loving snapped at me. "It's MY right. I've EARNED it." etc. etc.
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