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Infidelicious posted:You can uh just shoot them down? Maybe you're just a lot better than me but I don't think the heavy antitank options fire fast enough to clear out all the gunships. RR especially because the reload will get you killed. I don't even know why you would bring heavy antitank against bots when medium penetration weapons kill pretty much everything they have. It would be the niche case where you really want to shot a tank turret straight on.
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Can you hurt stratagem jammers from a distance at all
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Apr 24, 2024 17:05
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fennesz posted:Public service announcement. Orbital Precision strikes one shot detector towers. Game changer. 500kg does two BastardySkull posted:You can bring anything you want, if you drop right next to it and don't have your support weapons down quickly, lose them when poo poo starts to spiral, with the pubbies freaking out and quitting after dying once or twice, you're pretty cooked. Once it launches another wave you're toast and will get ragdolled to all gently caress with the Hellbomb getting destroyed by rockets. You should not be dropping without a weapon to deal with gunships on bots period. If you are your loadout sucks and you need to fix that WarpedLichen posted:Maybe you're just a lot better than me but I don't think the heavy antitank options fire fast enough to clear out all the gunships. RR especially because the reload will get you killed. I don't even know why you would bring heavy antitank against bots when medium penetration weapons kill pretty much everything they have. It would be the niche case where you really want to shot a tank turret straight on. Some people swear by quasar on bots. They need people to cover mediums so you’ll likely need a mix of anti heavy and medium weapons.
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Apr 24, 2024 17:09
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Laser cannon is, by far, the absolute best weapon to take down gunships. If you can get the drop on a hulk or a tank you can also take them down in like less than 2 seconds if you nail them in the vent.
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WarpedLichen posted:I don't even know why you would bring heavy antitank against bots when medium penetration weapons kill pretty much everything they have. It would be the niche case where you really want to shot a tank turret straight on. Risky Bisquick posted:You should not be dropping without a weapon to deal with gunships on bots period. If you are your loadout sucks and you need to fix that
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Apr 24, 2024 17:17
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Double Gunship fabs suck to drop into. They should be revealed on the map when you ping them. They suck even more so when you eat multiple volleys on an increased cooldown / call in planet. More so if there is no cover outside of the spawn radius.
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Apr 24, 2024 17:23
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Eruptor is boring and slow, don’t change my mind.
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WarpedLichen posted:Maybe you're just a lot better than me but I don't think the heavy antitank options fire fast enough to clear out all the gunships. RR especially because the reload will get you killed. I don't even know why you would bring heavy antitank against bots when medium penetration weapons kill pretty much everything they have. It would be the niche case where you really want to shot a tank turret straight on. yeah why would we bring antitank weapons to fight the faction that has tanks? how do people come up with these posts jesus christ lmao
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Apr 24, 2024 17:32
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the rocket weapons actually are better against bugs than bots Autocannon, Laser Cannon, and Anti-Materiel Rifle can kill everything the bots have except dropships, and killing those is mostly a waste of time
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Dr. Fishopolis posted:yeah why would we bring antitank weapons to fight the faction that has tanks? I think the point is more that almost everything the bots field, specifically including tanks and hulks, are literally easier to kill with medium weapons like the autocannon or laser cannon than they are with heavy AT.
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Apr 24, 2024 17:35
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Dr. Fishopolis posted:yeah why would we bring antitank weapons to fight the faction that has tanks? Despite having literal tanks the bots need much less antitank weaponry than bugs do, do yeah, it's easy to go overboard on the heavy anti-tank weaponry against bots. AC/laser can handle hulks just fine and tanks are pretty rare and also can be handled by them, though it's harder unless you're with a group who understands how to spread out. One or two of the RR/EAT/Quasar trio is probably enough to more than enough depending on what your call-in mixup is. Probably more lethal for the group is not bringing enough ways to rapidly clear devastators swarms.
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ijyt posted:was i using this gun wrong, i did not notice splash damage significant enough for it to want to take after one mission It sometimes will kill a group of little bugs entirely, and sometimes only deal little damage. Another cool synergistic thing about Erupter/Laser Dog/Flamethrower/Incendiary build is that damage dealt with Burning and Erupter AoE that isn't enough to kill enemies isn't wasted, as the Laser Dog will mop up those stragglers faster since it deals constant damage. I like having my build be a cool little ecosystem.
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Dr. Fishopolis posted:yeah why would we bring antitank weapons to fight the faction that has tanks? Things you can easily kill with a primary weapon or medium support weapon: annihilator tank, shredder tank, hulk Things you cannot easily kill with a primary weapon or medium support weapon: charger, bile titan Ravenfood posted:tanks are pretty rare and also can be handled by them, though it's harder unless you're with a group who understands how to spread out. That’s the neat part of the scorcher vs. tanks, you don’t even need an exposed weakpoint, you can just splash the weakpoint from the side or top on annihilators or anywhere on the top of the turret for shredders. Hulks still need a weak point shot but stun nades make that real easy. causticBeet fucked around with this message at 17:43 on Apr 24, 2024 |
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I’m going on a limb here to say the people complaining about and quitting out of games due to gunships and teams that don’t all bring weapons to deal with them have a lot of overlap. What the gently caress are you even bringing to bots if you can’t shoot down gunships with your loadout? Machine guns? Maybe that is a common strategy on lower difficulties or something but this seems like an easy way to set yourself up for a loss.
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Risky Bisquick posted:I’m going on a limb here to say the people complaining about and quitting out of games due to gunships and teams that don’t all bring weapons to deal with them have a lot of overlap. AAAAA! Real Muenster fucked around with this message at 17:55 on Apr 24, 2024 |
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Apr 24, 2024 17:53
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causticBeet posted:That’s the neat part of the scorcher vs. tanks, you don’t even need an exposed weakpoint, you can just splash the weakpoint from the side or top on annihilators or anywhere on the top of the turret for shredders. Hulks still need a weak point shot but stun nades make that real easy. I actually didn't know that. Time to start bringing the scorcher again. Which means the only thing bots field that needs a truly heavy weapon is factory striders.
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Mesadoram posted:Does a 500k bomb destroy the detector towers? Most of the time, yeah.
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Yeah, I feel that gunship complaints come from the person with the AC not doing their job. I run the AC in my group, and we've only had trouble with gunships once and it was because I forgot to pick up the autocannon backpack after I had died. Otherwise, double gunship towers just mean you get to blow up two things in one go
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Apr 24, 2024 18:04
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jokes posted:Can you hurt stratagem jammers from a distance at all Only if they have a factory next to them you can blow up with an AC/Eruptor.
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From my experience, it seems like gunships spawn 2 to a tower, and have a pretty slow respawn rate. Ideally, you can spawncamp them with an appropriate support weapon while your friend calls down a hellbomb. If your initial drop is within range of them, that's when they're a nightmare, as they can murder you a lot quicker than you can call down and equip your support weapons. And as with all bots, if they have a bunch of friends with them, they're 1000% harder to deal with. I think the best way to deal with a lovely drop is to resist calling down backpacks and support weapons, and instead just run for the nearest quiet spot. Dump orbitals or eagle strikes on stuff as you run, play leapfrog with your reinforcement pods, then regroup and take out the most isolated stuff first.
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worst gunship situation i have had to deal with was a tower right by a jammer, and my AC was across the map and on cooldown
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Ravenfood posted:I actually didn't know that. Time to start bringing the scorcher again.
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WoodrowSkillson posted:worst gunship situation i have had to deal with was a tower right by a jammer, and my AC was across the map and on cooldown we didnt do many secondaries that mission, for some reason.
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Ravenfood posted:Despite having literal tanks the bots need much less antitank weaponry than bugs do, do yeah, it's easy to go overboard on the heavy anti-tank weaponry against bots. AC/laser can handle hulks just fine and tanks are pretty rare and also can be handled by them, though it's harder unless you're with a group who understands how to spread out. Yep, my ideal team support weapon loadout is three autocannons plus one RR/Quasar/EAT
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Risky Bisquick posted:I’m going on a limb here to say the people complaining about and quitting out of games due to gunships and teams that don’t all bring weapons to deal with them have a lot of overlap. That limb is a well-maintained reinforced concrete bridge. Risky Bisquick posted:They need people to cover mediums so you’ll likely need a mix of anti heavy and medium weapons. Gonna quote this to drive the point home: Helldivers 2 is a team game that is players (as in more than one) versus the environment. Helldivers should be communicating with each other and building their loadouts to cover each other's weaknesses so they can enjoy the game and have the best chance in completing the objectives. A disappointing number of pubbies don't realize these things and end up getting wrecked and quitting midgame on a mission and difficulty that was wholly doable at their level. Also, despite the "primary" classification given to the biggest weapon we deploy with in the drop pod, in my opinion and experience, these primaries are glorified PDWs. The support weapons you call in and the stratagems are the real killers. It doesn't matter how well someone can handle and position with a Sickle or JAR or Scorcher, they'll never match the damage and efficiency of an Eagle airstrike. A two-diver team rolling with an autocannon and an HMG, regardless of primaries, will likely struggle against one Charger with an associated swarm, whereas a pair with a Quasar/EAT/RR and an auto/laser cannon will kill that and hunt for the next swarm. Back each other up, use the right tools, and sometimes it's just better to run away. Goddamn. ArmyGroup303 fucked around with this message at 19:02 on Apr 24, 2024 |
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Ravenfood posted:I actually didn't know that. Time to start bringing the scorcher again. Pretty sure even medium support weapons can kill bigdog if you shoot a panel on the tip of its front or from underneath where it shits out devastators edit: this vid goes into detail on it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=quzzf0bfJcQ
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jokes posted:Can you hurt stratagem jammers from a distance at all Yes, they have a configuration or two where they're connected to a fabricator and destroying the fabricator destroys the jammer as well.
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turn off the TV posted:Yes, they have a configuration or two where they're connected to a fabricator and destroying the fabricator destroys the jammer as well. I've been unlucky and haven't seen this for weeks. I always carry a Spear vs bots, sniping fabs and I haven't had this happen in awhile. Wonder if they quietly swapped up the fabricator placement? I have seen it before, it definitely used to exist at least. Maybe I've just been unlucky recently.
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LazyMaybe posted:less than a full AC mag to a strider's exposed face bits or belly will kill it Well poo poo I need a picture then because I've been trying and mostly getting deflection icons. novaSphere posted:Pretty sure even medium support weapons can kill bigdog if you shoot a panel on the tip of its front or from underneath where it shits out devastators
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My 7/8 success rate went way up for both bots and bugs when I switched to the strategy of “bring shield/quasar if someone has brought AC, else bring AC, constantly harass the team over voice to run away from enemy murderswarms when we die repeatedly.” Occasionally I have to drop the shield and take the AC and backpack dropped by someone who isn’t clearing mediums fast enough, but usually the breaker/breaker incendiary is good enough.
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Ravendas posted:I've been unlucky and haven't seen this for weeks. I always carry a Spear vs bots, sniping fabs and I haven't had this happen in awhile. Wonder if they quietly swapped up the fabricator placement? AAAAA! Real Muenster fucked around with this message at 19:29 on Apr 24, 2024 |
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Hwurmp posted:the rocket weapons actually are better against bugs than bots This is mostly true but you definitely still need some super heavy air support for the occasional factory strider
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Piell posted:Yep, my ideal team support weapon loadout is three autocannons plus one RR/Quasar/EAT I quickplayed into this setup last night, except the last guy had the Spear instead of AT and it was glorious  Just really efficient bot murdering, and we even ran into the dual Sauron towers, one of which was covered by a Jammer.
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novaSphere posted:Pretty sure even medium support weapons can kill bigdog if you shoot a panel on the tip of its front or from underneath where it shits out devastators Ravenfood posted:Nice thanks! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kR4Cd658SD0
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Best strat for the factory dog is to blow up the 2 front machine guns then rush it to get out of range of the top cannon and unload into the belly. Aside from just dropling a laser on it OC. Even the JAR can penetrate the underside.
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Question Time posted:My 7/8 success rate went way up for both bots and bugs when I switched to the strategy of “bring shield/quasar if someone has brought AC, else bring AC, constantly harass the team over voice to run away from enemy murderswarms when we die repeatedly.” Occasionally I have to drop the shield and take the AC and backpack dropped by someone who isn’t clearing mediums fast enough, but usually the breaker/breaker incendiary is good enough. Are ... are you me??
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Slyphic posted:Any jetpack mains have some sage advice on how to make it useful? I've been playing with it this week, and it's just not clicking with me. Can't seem to reliably make it over gorges, barely makes a difference in scaling heights, the only thing I'm really getting out of it is fall arrest and even then I'm flubbing that one some of the time. 1. Always be at a full sprint 2. Jet from high to low ground as much as possible 3. Jetpacking is faster than sprinting 4. Abuse pathing - going from high to low ground in a big bug nest makes the bugs just walk around most of the time 5. Abuse line of sight - if you have chargers and bile titans chasing you, just keep jetting from high to low ground to maximize speed and keep breaking LOS as you do it. Stun grenades help a LOT If I could somehow cram a jetpack on my back with an autocannon I'd use it against bots too. You kind of get a feel for where the juicy spots in the various objective points of interest are after a while too. fennesz fucked around with this message at 20:12 on Apr 24, 2024 |
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Doctor Zero posted:Are ... are you me?? It’s probably just a natural progression of skill, at some point if we keep playing we might get good enough with cover/mobility to be able to do 9s without shields and take ACs all the time like some of the thread regulars talk about.
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Bugs are usually pretty easy for me but just had a spicy lvl 8 where the game decided that 99% of spawns will be little bugs all the time. One bug breach would result in a rolling carpet of jumping death, bad time to not bring a gatling/machine gun sentry.
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AAAAA! Real Muenster posted:Before you said "drop" now you're saying "loadout" - which is it? Against bots I pack the Sickle or Scorcher as my Primary (edit: that I rarely, if ever, end up using), neither of which are something that I drop with that will reliably take out a gunship. But my loadout includes an Autocannon, which lets me laugh at Gunships. I have never been on a team that has failcascaded because of gunships. It was implied, and my point stands however. You need to deal with what can spawn in the mission, and your cumulative loadout with stratagems needs to reflect that. Bringing a loadout that cannot damage a common enemy that can sink your entire run is crazy. Sickle is for light bots and to conserve AC ammo when the light bots who can call alarms are dead btw Question Time posted:It’s probably just a natural progression of skill, at some point if we keep playing we might get good enough with cover/mobility to be able to do 9s without shields and take ACs all the time like some of the thread regulars talk about. Bot9 helldive without an AC is agony, you’ll just get flooded with medium bots you struggle to clear between alarms.
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