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Sometimes a claim is not testable. That doesn’t mean it’s necessarily wrong, but that there’s no way to investigate whether it’s wrong or right.
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ashpanash posted:No one wants to be shown how wrong they are more than scientists. Whoa, I'm absolutely not interested in being proven wrong when it:s clearly Professor Wernstrom who's out to lunch.
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Apr 27, 2024 16:56
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Precambrian Video Games posted:Whoa, I'm absolutely not interested in being proven wrong when it:s clearly Professor Wernstrom who's out to lunch. Wernstrom posted:Who cares? I have tenure.
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Apr 27, 2024 17:26
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Ratios and Tendency posted:The conspiracy theory in question is coming from senior intelligence agents within the US government. For anyone who hasn't caught up with the actual UFO thread: It turned out that the secret project to research UFOs was instigated and run by the skinwalkter ranch people, as some kind of freelance attempt to This was somewhat frustrated when it turned out that weren't actually any UFOs to research The subsequent whistle blowing is heavily linked to skinwalker ranch people, and it appears that the secret UFO research program they are all up in arms about, is in fact their own stupid and pointless research program. So the entire thing has just been a massive game of The Man Who Was Thursday, meets The Men Who Stare At Goats, plus a few profoundly gullible useful idiots. But of course all of the above is just part of the conspiracy, so feel free to disregard. Full disclosure is just around the corner. Keep on reach for that rainbow.
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Apr 27, 2024 17:48
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Got a link the the relevant bits of the thread or whatever article got posted in it?
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Apr 27, 2024 18:05
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Bug Squash posted:For anyone who hasn't caught up with the actual UFO thread: This reminds me of the Missing 411 guy, who will go to any bigfoot, ufo, or forteana conference that pays but will never say outright that he thinks it is or isn’t bigfoot, the grays, the smiley face killers, or hollow Earth kidnapping people out in the woods and then later returning their bodies staged to look like they died of exposure.
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Apr 27, 2024 18:32
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Ratios and Tendency posted:The conspiracy theory in question is coming from senior intelligence agents within the US government. Climate change conspiracies is alleged by senior members of the scientific community too. The strong consensus on man made climate change could blind scientists to alternative explanations and scientists that have built careers on certain theories might be embarrassed if proven wrong. It’s the same argument, right? Except they do spend time debunking alternative theories - you’ll find no shortage of publications dealing with Richard Lindzen or Roy Spencer. White individual scientists might be too arrogant to investigate an unlikely claim there’s thousands of others who will if there’s the possibility they could make their names by overturning an established theory. It hinges on there actually being a testable claim and data though. If a scientist claims to have travelled to the bottom of the ocean and have communicated with an intelligent octopi civilization living in an amazing technological city but also there’s no recordings or data of any kind and no I can’t show you where it is then what are we supposed to do? It COULD be true! It’s POSSIBLE! The fact that you haven’t found the octopi city proves that you are not looking for it! Why won’t you investigate it?? What are the octopi paying you?
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Apr 27, 2024 18:41
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https://www.newscientist.com/article/2430601-dozens-of-stars-show-signs-of-hosting-advanced-alien-civilisations/quote:Dozens of stars show signs of hosting advanced alien civilisations Huge, if true.
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Going to need more proof than that I think, all that study has shown is that there's ~60 stars that appear to be obscured by something(s) that are radiating in the infra-red
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May 13, 2024 14:48
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Also I think it would be more likely to be ALIENS!!! if it's just one or two stars showing something weird happening. When you have 60, I assume nowhere near each other, showing the same odd behaviour seems far more likely to just be some new weird astrophysics quirk that occasionally happens, we haven't quite figured out yet.
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May 13, 2024 14:53
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dr_rat posted:Also I think it would be more likely to be ALIENS!!! if it's just one or two stars showing something weird happening. When you have 60, I assume nowhere near each other, showing the same odd behaviour seems far more likely to just be some new weird astrophysics quirk that occasionally happens, we haven't quite figured out yet.
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dr_rat posted:Also I think it would be more likely to be ALIENS!!! if it's just one or two stars showing something weird happening. When you have 60, I assume nowhere near each other, showing the same odd behaviour seems far more likely to just be some new weird astrophysics quirk that occasionally happens, we haven't quite figured out yet. I know, I know, it's probably some dust or something mundane like that, but it's fun to imagine. 
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DrSunshine posted:I know, I know, it's probably some dust or something mundane like that, but it's fun to imagine. Hey, there's always a chance it turns out to be an empire of space dust aliens! No one can prove that's not a thing!!! Would totally annoy SETI. We're trying to find aliens here, why the gently caress does all this drat space dust always keep getting in the way???
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May 13, 2024 15:09
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New and interesting stuff is always cool, even if the press immediately jumps to "ALIENS!!"
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May 13, 2024 15:09
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Just don't pick up the phone
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May 13, 2024 15:49
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hating the headlines on these stories but it’s all cool science regardless. it’ll be interesting to see how clustered any of these detections are
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May 13, 2024 18:30
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I allow some fanciful theorizing channels on my YouTube, and one of them had a decent summary of the survey of infrared inconsistencies. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VkEGvmfd8dI So not exactly a groundbreaking finding, but absolutely worth further follow up with additional observations. Finding a Dyson swarm within a few hundred light years is probably a bad thing overall though lol.
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May 13, 2024 20:38
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:I allow some fanciful theorizing channels on my YouTube, and one of them had a decent summary of the survey of infrared inconsistencies. eh if such a thing actually existed, any civilization would already be aware of at least some degree of life on this planet and likely check it out
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May 13, 2024 21:10
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mediaphage posted:eh if such a thing actually existed, any civilization would already be aware of at least some degree of life on this planet and likely check it out That's what the other thread has been saying this whole time.
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It would be pretty wild if every civilization inevitably develops this one specific Dyson swarm thing in a way such that it’s a permanent feature of their system. Or if every civilization just happens to synch up developmentally for some reason we’ll never be able to figure out through observation.
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well we tend to assume that the progression of technology continues without end as long as civilization does but maybe you hit real points of diminishing returns at some level so if you survive you inevitably end up looking superficially similar
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:I allow some fanciful theorizing channels on my YouTube, and one of them had a decent summary of the survey of infrared inconsistencies. I like that channel because of his voice and I like sci-fi concepts and all that, but bear in mind that this is the same channel that had a sincere interview with someone about Skinwalker Ranch a little while ago, when deciding how much salt you're gonna need to take it with. Edit: Event Horizon is the channel I'm on about but it's the same dude talking about the same stuff. Cactus fucked around with this message at 12:32 on May 17, 2024 |
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May 17, 2024 12:29
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Cactus posted:I like that channel because of his voice and I like sci-fi concepts and all that, but bear in mind that this is the same channel that had a sincere interview with someone about Skinwalker Ranch a little while ago, when deciding how much salt you're gonna need to take it with. Yeah he's a science fiction author and self admitted futurist, so a heavy grain of salt should be applied to everything. As far as science communicators go he's fine.
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Neat little video about the proposed Habitable Worlds Observatory https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2JIkAPcdnU I guess I'd better stay alive for another 20 years or so
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