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At least Ratio is done with traces. I'm not wasting resources on his basic attack, but everything else is maxed. On to Silver Wolf! I'm only doing her talent, skill, and ult. All three are at 9, so it shouldn't take long. She also still has a level 70 lc.
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Those banners line up great for me skipping this current banner and not needing the Boothill/Fu Xuan one at all. Finally putting effort into a follow up attack team could be fun.
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think i be skipping boot so might try for the e1 adventurine just to get that free shield on ultimate so he be even more SP-free
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Apr 27, 2024 19:25
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I'm getting Fu Xuan. She is very cool and I like her.
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I'm not sure if I'll pull for boothill, but I'm tempted by Robin because having all the harmonies is like the only section of characters I have all the collectables in. What kind of team does Boothill even want?
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got my earth year achievement today on log in
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Boothill is a break focused dps, so he really likes Ruan Mei for her break efficiency, and will probably want IMG trailblazer, but otherwise he looks like a pretty normal hypercarry who likes def shred more than usual.
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Daner T posted:I'm not sure if I'll pull for boothill, but I'm tempted by Robin because having all the harmonies is like the only section of characters I have all the collectables in. What kind of team does Boothill even want? Ruan Mei + Harmblazer + Sustain of your choice (can pick one to match the element of your enemy to help break faster when his ult/technique isn't up) Eimi posted:Boothill is a break focused dps, so he really likes Ruan Mei for her break efficiency, and will probably want IMG trailblazer, but otherwise he looks like a pretty normal hypercarry who likes def shred more than usual. You can completely skip atk/crit/cdmg on him so he's actually the opposite of a normal hypercarry
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I haven't bothered looking at all but is Robin going to be better than Sparkle for Archeron. That determines if I sleep or not.
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got it. I wonder if gallagher would be a good sustain slot since he's very break effect focused too
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Apr 27, 2024 20:19
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Eej posted:Ruan Mei + Harmblazer + Sustain of your choice (can pick one to match the element of your enemy to help break faster when his ult/technique isn't up) That's how you build him, but in how you play him he's not that different. Ibram Gaunt posted:I haven't bothered looking at all but is Robin going to be better than Sparkle for Archeron. That determines if I sleep or not. I don't think so. Robin looks like she's for team IPC only or 0 cyclers. I don't think she has a place as just a normal harmony. I'd love to be proven wrong but she looks distinctly weaker than Ruan Mei/Bronya/Sparkle.
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Daner T posted:I'm not sure if I'll pull for boothill, but I'm tempted by Robin because having all the harmonies is like the only section of characters I have all the collectables in. What kind of team does Boothill even want? Ruan Mei is a core support for Boothill, for the other support slot you can run Bronya to give him more turns to break things, or any other support that can help with inflicting toughness damage and/or boosting his break damage like Harmony TB, Asta or Pela. Robin + Bronya is kind of an option too. For sustain it's gonna be anyone who matches the enemy weaknesses or just Gallagher for the break DMG taken debuff.
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Eimi posted:That's how you build him, but in how you play him he's not that different. I see. I /do/ have the setup for team IPC so maybe I'll throw a tenner and see what happens.
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yeah she seems to be FUA focused for sure and Topaz is on her banner as well unless that's just the cycle of re-runs and Topaz was going to be next regardless.
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Eimi posted:That's how you build him, but in how you play him he's not that different. Sorta, but you do have to start off every fight dueling random adds to build up your medal count. Plus your damage is absolutely dogwater against non broken enemies. e: also making sure you are breaking with the right person at the right time Eej fucked around with this message at 20:26 on Apr 27, 2024 |
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Apr 27, 2024 20:23
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I hope they're gonna make the enemies' toughness value visible in future patches, like as a number or as a row of individual toughness units.
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I think Robin is going to be a lot stronger than people think. As indecisive as I am, there's a chance I end up pulling her and saving Boothill for a rerun. I think Jade will be better for team IPC, but Robin is going to be completely cracked in Pure Fiction on any team with Himeko and Herta.
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My Robin take is that she's fairly strong but also more invisible than most supports. Outside of her team Advance Forward which happens like once or twice a fight her other contribution is Tingyun bonus damage that you barely ever notice unless it's like Fu Xuan doing quadruple damage on an basic attack. I think she'll be pretty unsatisfying to use for a lot of people who are used to feeling supports really make your team punchy.
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I think Robin will also fit in really well in Pure Fiction which is much more of a "3 DPS and a support" mode than MoC. It really comes down to how often her Ultimate goes off per fight.
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i think she has a really steep energy cost for her ult? more than others
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Yeah, she's invisible. But I don't think her damage is going to be lackluster. I haven't bothered to run the numbers, but I've seen a few showcases where her personal damage has contributed to at least 100k or more per cycle. Also, she continues to gain energy during her ult. In these same showcases, she comes out of her ult and uses her skill to immediately go back into her ult. If she's singing, she makes your team hit harder. So you better hope she's always singing. That's why she's made for follow-up attackers. The more they hit, the more damage Robin contributes. There's a chance she's better for Jing Yuan than Tingyun. Team IPC loves her, too, but you better have Aventurine's or Topaz's lc to guarantee Ratio's follow-up.
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Robin's probably also gonna be generally quite good with -1 SPD Bronya + SP neutral-ish DPSes like Jingliu, since her Ult would translate to 2 extra turns on your carry. She may charge her Ult slower outside of a FUA team but I think it'd still be pretty feasible.
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That's also why that new event lightcone is made for Robin. Unlike most supports, her personal damage matters. More attack and damage for Robin means she's going to hit harder during her ult. You might even want to build her with crit. And the advance forward matters a lot, especially in PF.
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Taking a quick look at Robin's current leaked kit. Her ult at level 1 increases everyone's attack by 15% of Robin's + 50. Every attack by allies does additional damage equal to 72% of Robin's attack. The crit for this damage is automatically set at 100/150! She's not flashy, but she's going to hit like a loving truck.
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If a truck is like 13-15k damage sure.
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I might skip everyone in 2.2, but I'm curious if Topaz's eidolons are a significant boost at all. Also, I'm finally at the point in the game where all my characters are built well enough that I'm currently working on getting ALL my characters to ascended lv 60 just for the silver tickets.
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Eej posted:If a truck is like 13-15k damage sure. That's an extra 150k on a 10 stack Lightning Lord. It's not insignificant. That basically doubles the output of Aventurine, it's an extra 30k every time Ratio attacks, etc. She deals that extra damage every time an ally attacks. If you want to be disappointed in her, sure. But I think you're really underestimating her actual contributions.
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I feel like you play a completely different game than anyone else with how usually wildly off your math/numbers are lol.
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Ibram Gaunt posted:I feel like you play a completely different game than anyone else with how usually wildly off your math/numbers are lol. How are my numbers off? Like, Eej and I are both going off assumptions here. If Robin contributes an extra 15k damage per attack, which is an assumption, then how is my math off? Here's actual numbers. Robin's skill at level 10 increases everyone's damage by 50%. Her ult increases everyone's attack by 22% + 200. Every time an ally attacks, she does damage equal to 120% of her attack. This damage automatically crits and has a crit damage of 150%. If she has 2,500 attack, what's her damage contribution per attack during her ult? You tell me. Do the math. This is her current leaked kit, as far as I know.
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Bad Video Games posted:That's an extra 150k on a 10 stack Lightning Lord. It's not insignificant. That basically doubles the output of Aventurine, it's an extra 30k every time Ratio attacks, etc. She deals that extra damage every time an ally attacks. It's once instance per attack. Lightning Lord is one attack, so it's 15k extra damage. If you do an AOE attack then it picks one random instance of damage to get the 15k. We're not playing by GBF Supplemental Damage rules. qbert posted:I might skip everyone in 2.2, but I'm curious if Topaz's eidolons are a significant boost at all. Topaz's E1 is basically 50% cdmg to all FUAs on that target, it's pretty good. Eej fucked around with this message at 21:34 on Apr 27, 2024 |
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I'm guessing we will frequently see insanely geared Robin in 0-cycle challenges but I'm probably holding off on her until a rerun because 2.3 looks insane
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15000 damage per Robin extra hit seems really high. At 3000 attack she'd have 3884 with her ult up, which would result in a hit of 11.6k (3884 * 1.2 * 2.5), and that also assumes it's not subject to reduction from defense. She'd need 5000 attack power to hit for 15k per hit, or approximately 3900 before her buff. Getting that much attack power and durability stats seems really far-fetched. Bad Video Games posted:If she has 2,500 attack, what's her damage contribution per attack during her ult? You tell me. Do the math. Attack pre-buff = 2500 Buff value of pre-buff attack: 2500 * .228 = 570 Attack post-buff: 2500 + 570 + 200 = 3270 120% ATK: 3270 * 1.2 = 3924 100% Crit, 150% CHD: 3924 * 2.5 = 9810 So... yeah. Edit: Again, this also assumes this ignores defense and resistances and the 10% damage reduction on non-broken targets. Kyrosiris fucked around with this message at 21:47 on Apr 27, 2024 |
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Eej posted:It's once instance per attack. Lightning Lord is one attack, so it's 15k extra damage. If you do an AOE attack then it picks one random instance of damage to get the 15k. Wait, LL is one attack? I thought each follow-up attack counted as a separate attack. Wait.
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Kyrosiris posted:15000 damage per Robin extra hit seems really high. At 3000 attack she'd have 3884 with her ult up, which would result in a hit of 11.6k (3884 * 1.2 * 2.5), and that also assumes it's not subject to reduction from defense. I believe you wear ATK boots and ATK rope to push to 4k+ (although maybe ER is more helpful with that huge energy cost, idk) and Physical Damage orb works on her ult damage. Bad Video Games posted:Wait, LL is one attack? I thought each follow-up attack counted as a separate attack. Wait. An "Attack" is the action performed by a character. Basic, skills that deal damage, ultimates that deal damage, follow up attacks are "attacks". Things that trigger off individual hits will say "deals damage" (4pc FUA set) or "hits" (Swordplay). Eej fucked around with this message at 21:50 on Apr 27, 2024 |
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lightning lord only gives aventurine a single count for his followup. Id expect robin would treat it the same way- 1 attack with multple hits.
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Bad Video Games posted:Wait, LL is one attack? I thought each follow-up attack counted as a separate attack. Wait. Multiple hits, a single attack. So unless her kit goes off of each hit she’ll contribute her damage once. Tingyun works the same way— DHIL for example hits 7 times on his enhanced BA, but her additional damage is contributed once.
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you can see this in game right now yeah. robin's wording: quote:Moreover, after every attack by allies, Robin deals Additional Physical DMG equal to 144% of her ATK 1 time. tingyun's wording: quote:When the ally with Benediction attacks, they will deal Additional Lightning DMG equal to 44% of that ally's ATK for 1 time. robin is not going to be followup attacking ten times in a row every single time jing yuan does his thing. thatd be absurd just on a visual level.
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https://hsr-tools.vercel.app/calculator here's an actual damage calculator. its not perfect (you have to manually input ally buffs by category and number, rather than being able to just select them from a drop down or something, so you have to do the number crunching yourself and double check other character's kits on prydwen or whatever) but its useful for conversations like this.
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Eej posted:I believe you wear ATK boots and ATK rope to push to 4k+ (although maybe ER is more helpful with that huge energy cost, idk) and Physical Damage orb works on her ult damage. Alright, let's assume that we're gearing her pure-rear end attack then. She's actually got the same base attack and trace boosts as Seele, so that makes my life easy in terms of doing the math for final numbers. Let's assume an E0S1 Robin: Character Base Attack: 640 Attack of Robin's Signature: 635 Final Base Attack: 1275 Attack with a +15 ATK% body, boots, and orb, zero atk-related substats: 3285 Attack with Cadenza buff from signature: 3897 Robin's ult buff value: 1089 Robin's final attack power: 4985 Damage per hit: 14,955 Okay so yeah, but sheesh. That feels rough to try and make that happen on top of getting defensive stats to keep her alive until she can sing. Endorph posted:https://hsr-tools.vercel.app/calculator  or yeah just use that I guess
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Endorph posted:you can see this in game right now yeah. That all makes sense. Bleh. I guess I was confused by LL because I've become so accustomed to Ratio. Ratio attacks 2 separate times per turn, so I guess I assumed LL would, too.
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