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Nutsak posted:70%* for the stand alone. EoD gets 50% on the upgrade price to the Unheard Edition. PvE will be part of EoD "at release". Oh and I agree there. I just continue to monitor how many times can Nikita shoot himself in the foot 
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Ragnar Gunvald posted:They're saying it's unsustainable for them, hosting servers etc for the PVE mode, but they could just make it so the loving group leader in coop hosts the game. I wish there would still be a wider support for dedicated servers a'la Half-Life 1 / Counterstrike 1 that you could either run on your pc or on a VPS somewhere. But I guess since companies then can't monetize continued access that train has left the station.
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hazzlebarth posted:I wish there would still be a wider support for dedicated servers a'la Half-Life 1 / Counterstrike 1 that you could either run on your pc or on a VPS somewhere. But I guess since companies then can't monetize continued access that train has left the station. Are you talking about PVE servers? Because right now they provide servers for PVP without additional monetization if you just buy the standard edition.
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Jakosa posted:Are you talking about PVE servers? Because right now they provide servers for PVP without additional monetization if you just buy the standard edition. Yes, for the new PvE mode. They said they can't give it to EoD users right now because it would overload their servers. If they released a dedicated server that problem would most certainly go away.
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1st times the charm! Haha! Turns out it the charm is actually on the 2nd time you do an apology! Why are you still angry?! 3rd times the charm! Please keep playing the game! quote:
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Infinitum posted:1st times the charm! I mean, great that they're just completely taking basically everything back but between the idea that they did it in the first place and the stuff in the leaked interview I'm sure that they've taken a ton of self inflicted damage e: aside from the general tone being "i'm sorry that you morons are upset by any of this and I'm sorry that I didn't get away with this bullshit without complaint" hopterque fucked around with this message at 12:57 on Apr 28, 2024 |
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It's straight up killed any interest I had in picking the game up during the next sale/reset. Gray Zone is announcing the release date for Early Access tomorrow, so sounding like a few of the lads are picking that up and we'll be hitting that up instead. There's PR mistakes and blunders, but this feels like they straight up disrespected the bulk of their user base
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Apr 28, 2024 12:56
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Infinitum posted:It's straight up killed any interest I had in picking the game up during the next sale/reset. Grey Zone looks a lot more interesting anyway than the thing tarkov has become in the years its been playable IMO. Remember when this game was supposed to have some sort of linked map progression and greater goal than just jumping into individual maps and grinding quests?
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Without touching on the poo poo storm of Tarkov, I've got to say I was disappointed in Grey Zone in general. I don't know if it was all the hype about being a "Tarkov killer", but it left me with a very "meh" impression.
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Nidhg00670000 posted:Without touching on the poo poo storm of Tarkov, I've got to say I was disappointed in Grey Zone in general. I don't know if it was all the hype about being a "Tarkov killer", but it left me with a very "meh" impression. I think it looks nice and has potential, if it reaches any of that potential is another thing entirely. Tarkov was also a game that looked nice and had potential, and it still has potential, but its been out for a long time and never seems any closer to reaching it and the years have proven without a doubt that BSG have serious issues all over.
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Grey Zone looks OK, but I don't think I'll like it more than Tarkov. From what I've seen, it seems too squad focused. I usually play alone, so I want a game that's playable solo. It also seems like it's primarily PVE with occasional PVP, where Tarkov seems more PVP focused. And the map is something that caught my eye. Tarkov is the most simulation-like shooter I've tried and I like it. A map with markers that update automatically doesn't feel very simulation like. I think Dark Souls has given me an appreciation for games with no maps. I don't know if Grey Zone will come out with other biomes, but it kind of looks like it's jungle all day long. I like that you can switch from long-range fighting on Woods to CQC on Factory and all sorts in between when you want in Tarkov. I'll definitely keep it on my radar, but right now I'm not interested.
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Meh, at least he's finally caved. That's a step better than quite a few companies that double down for eternity or just go completely radio silent and ghost everyone. Still not sure about the items added, though. They seem kinda crazy if they work how it sounds.
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Redditors are loving unhinged. Lolling at all the threats of legal proceedings and how BSG's announcement is the greatest attack on a people (Gamers TM) the world has ever seen. Yeah grey zone just doesn't look like it has the same vibe. That said it is very very early days for the game.
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Operator drewski made a video on greyzone the other day and it looks unplayable tbh. no idea why they're releasing it in this state so early, it seems like a nightmare of infil/exfil camping the on-rails helicopter system and like 90% of the massive map is flyover country with no points of interest. Even the three main starter towns for each faction on the map are just copy/pasted three times.
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Incoming Chinchilla posted:Redditors are loving unhinged. Lolling at all the threats of legal proceedings and how BSG's announcement is the greatest attack on a people (Gamers TM) the world has ever seen. Thank you for the update, brave Reddit reader. Please keep up apprised of what else the unwashed masses are saying about the game Escape from Tarkov.
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Infinitum posted:It's straight up killed any interest I had in picking the game up during the next sale/reset. gray zone is going to take literally years to get into a good state. i hope it ends up good but it's incredibly early in development and it's not going to be meaningfully competing with tarkov for a very long time Nidhg00670000 posted:Without touching on the poo poo storm of Tarkov, I've got to say I was disappointed in Grey Zone in general. I don't know if it was all the hype about being a "Tarkov killer", but it left me with a very "meh" impression. it looks promising in its own right and it was less vaporware and more conceptually fleshed out than I expected it to be tbh, but imo the game really suffers being compared to tarkov because they're just wildly different games. gz seems to be taking a shot at a day z with better pvp if anything Dr_0ctag0n posted:Operator drewski made a video on greyzone the other day and it looks unplayable tbh. no idea why they're releasing it in this state so early, it seems like a nightmare of infil/exfil camping the on-rails helicopter system and like 90% of the massive map is flyover country with no points of interest. cuz games are expensive to develop and it takes a long time these days to get a game to the point where it can compete with decade old behemoths and they need money to keep it going presumably Herstory Begins Now fucked around with this message at 14:50 on Apr 28, 2024 |
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Grey Zone feels pretty clearly like the last couple Ghost Recons meets Hunt Showdown, rather than really hewing close to Tarkov. Which in itself is actually super interesting, at least to me. The trouble is it also is being made by a studio who has previously only made mobile titles and the stuff they've been showing the last few weeks looks like a goddamn Sergei Titov game in some worrying ways.
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looking forward to the slew of terrible extraction shooters that we're going to see in the next 5-10 years as everyone tries to bite off a chunk of the market for themselves. If we're lucky we'll get one that isn't rear end, and if we're REALLY lucky that one won't also be a roguelike deckbuilder with meta progression
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it's already been a thing for several years and even aaa attempts have been mostly trash. some people liked dmz quite a bit, but they finally pulled the plug on that if anything it feels like a lot of companies have given up on that niche as too hard to get right and co-op pve is the hot new thing
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William Henry Hairytaint posted:and if we're REALLY lucky that one won't also be a roguelike deckbuilder with meta progression
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Orv posted:Grey Zone feels pretty clearly like the last couple Ghost Recons meets Hunt Showdown, rather than really hewing close to Tarkov. Which in itself is actually super interesting, at least to me. The trouble is it also is being made by a studio who has previously only made mobile titles and the stuff they've been showing the last few weeks looks like a goddamn Sergei Titov game in some worrying ways. the Sergey Titov joint is already for sale lol https://www.playl33t.com/ Gray Zone looked pretty good to me in the streams of the playtests I watched. imo it actually seems closer to Arma's King of the Hill mode than Tarkov, but people will label anything an extraction shooter these days
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This whole thing is incredibly amusing to me because extracting dollars via micro transactions is a solved problem. You give people skins, clothing, and name colors and if you do it even remotely right your player base will clap like seals for more. I’ve spent thousands of dollars on path of exile, and I own EoD despite playing live for maybe 6 weeks. I’m like laser focused on being the target for the unheard of edition and I was so insulted by it I’ll never touch it.
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I always wondered if gun skins and varied clothing would be less marketable in Tarkov because standing out is a great way to get shot. Maybe MTX camo patterns and muted dyes so you could color your patterns would work.
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Herstory Begins Now posted:it's already been a thing for several years and even aaa attempts have been mostly trash. some people liked dmz quite a bit, but they finally pulled the plug on that The challenge with PvEvP is that you're trying to attract two playerbases who fundamentally want different games. Some just want the co-op mode with adjustable difficulty sliders to play with their friends, and some mostly want the PvP side, but don't mind the PvE if it leads to more action on lightly populated games. But the PvP players will almost always be better when you merge the two different playerbases, and both groups will quickly drift to other games if they aren't getting what they want. Hunt: Showdown did a good job of it because the players were all the same, and fundamentally different from the enemies. Additionally, there were specific goals in each instance - kill the boss and escape with the soul (or whatever). Ultimately, it's faster and easier to focus on one game type or the other.
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i vomit kittens posted:the Sergey Titov joint is already for sale lol https://www.playl33t.com/ God, why am I not surprised? On the Grey Zone front it does look good but I meant it just seems like a pile of assets right now, in that Sergey Titov way. It’s probably just way too early but I’d be happy if it turns out well.
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William Henry Hairytaint posted:I always wondered if gun skins and varied clothing would be less marketable in Tarkov because standing out is a great way to get shot. Maybe MTX camo patterns and muted dyes so you could color your patterns would work. The player skins and customization is so non existant I think just selling some clothes or facial features so we don’t only have to play Seagal movie heavy #4 would have made them some RUB. And they could also make it so only you see your own skin but effort
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Herstory Begins Now posted:gray zone is going to take literally years to get into a good state. i hope it ends up good but it's incredibly early in development and it's not going to be meaningfully competing with tarkov for a very long time With all of BSGs flaws, delivering new features is not one of them. Tarkov has been out for long rear end time now and BSG has very consistent added new systems and content. Delivering on feature is probably their strength - new maps, map reworks, total overhauls of core gameplay mechanics, etc. How positive the reaction to the current wipe was is a testament to this. Grey Zone looks really cool but if people are expecting it to come out and be relatively feature rich and polished compared to Tarkov it will be DOA. Re: BSG caving, I kind of wonder how much of the timeline here was impacted by the dude (who has apparently done this sort of thing in the past and prompted a response from BSG) who said he was going to leak an exploit that lets you join pve lobbies as your standard PMC. A bit disappointed we didn’t get that because “players en masse have started joining pve lobbies, ganking the host, then taking all the valuable items back to the base game” would have been Ilan excellent development in this saga of lol, lmao.
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Grey Zone's map is like 42km squared with 3 factions of 16 players each on it. Tarkov's maps are 2km squared with 12-16 people.
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causticBeet posted:With all of BSGs flaws, delivering new features is not one of them. Tarkov has been out for long rear end time now and BSG has very consistent added new systems and content. Delivering on feature is probably their strength - new maps, map reworks, total overhauls of core gameplay mechanics, etc. How positive the reaction to the current wipe was is a testament to this. Grey Zone looks really cool but if people are expecting it to come out and be relatively feature rich and polished compared to Tarkov it will be DOA.. I really dunno how much credit BSG deserves for making six maps in eight years, a bunch of guns that mostly feel like the same ten or so platforms and basically only making the gameplay - scavs, quest, jams, the various RMT combatting changes - worse over time. Tarkov works cause the two big things continue to feel incredible; shoot gun, find thing.
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Orv posted:I really dunno how much credit BSG deserves for making six maps in eight years, a bunch of guns that mostly feel like the same ten or so platforms and basically only making the gameplay - scavs, quest, jams, the various RMT combatting changes - worse over time. Tarkov works cause the two big things continue to feel incredible; shoot gun, find thing. So BSG doesn't deserve credit for making the primary things that fuel "shoot gun and find thing" feeling incredible?
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Umbreon posted:So BSG doesn't deserve credit for making the primary things that fuel "shoot gun and find thing" feeling incredible? No they do deserve credit for those things but I don’t feel like most of the additions to the game have actually been good. Anyone really raring to go to bat for Lighthouse? Or the years that scavs have spent as aimbots? When was the last time you used more than a small handful of guns aside from “oh cool new thing”? The parts of the game that are incredibly good have pretty much remained incredibly good, the maps that are great have been loving good. Just looking back on it I personally feel like that’s kinda it.
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Incoming Chinchilla posted:Yeah grey zone just doesn't look like it has the same vibe. That said it is very very early days for the game. Herstory Begins Now posted:gray zone is going to take literally years to get into a good state. i hope it ends up good but it's incredibly early in development The Gray Zone steam page claims a 2024 release, how incredibly early early days in development can it be?
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Nidhg00670000 posted:The Gray Zone steam page claims a 2024 release, how incredibly early early days in development can it be? Given how they’ve been talking about the game since revealing it to press/youtube earlier this year it’s very early, like 2023 start of dev.
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Nidhg00670000 posted:The Gray Zone steam page claims a 2024 release, how incredibly early early days in development can it be? I'm pretty sure that is referring to when they are releasing into early access. They're supposedly announcing a specific date for that tomorrow so I guess we'll see then.
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Umbreon posted:So BSG doesn't deserve credit for making the primary things that fuel "shoot gun and find thing" feeling incredible? They can certainly take credit for making "looter shooters" very popular but let's not act like they invented or even came close to perfecting the wheel here.
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ChesterJT posted:They can certainly take credit for making "looter shooters" very popular but let's not act like they invented or even came close to perfecting the wheel here. If you know of a better game in the genre, I'd love to hear about it.
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