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tuyop
Sep 15, 2006

Every second that we're not growing BASIL is a second wasted

Fun Shoe

big cummers ONLY posted:

I appreciate early pandemic reposts. I fantasize about having the time/energy to go through the old threads and collect screenshots of the important tweets and articles, trying to condense the timeline down into something that can be digested and internalized more easily. The whole thing just feels like an amorphous blob of "bad times" in my memory. But even skipping all the white noise posting, that would be an intimidating project to start.

I've started doing it with H5N1, just in case it pops off :unsmith:

at least a few activist orgs I’ve encountered are working on timeline projects where they archive tweets and sources to maintain some thread of reality.

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inferis
Dec 30, 2003

last night on survivor one of the contestants had a full screaming rage meltdown because someone didn’t pick her to eat applebees

Sunny Side Up
Jun 22, 2004

Mayoist Third Condimentist
hi thread long time no see. lots of fun on my end both with our Still Coviding homeschool group (many fun events with 20-30 kids and their caregivers, all in good masks and most people fit-tested) and organizing with SCORE (https://socialist-core.org/).

the last game changer we had, which allowed us to go back to doing pretty much whatever, except masked, was when we fit tested a long time ago (on the tail end of my almost-year in-person at work).

there's a new LAMP (almost-PCR) called PlusLife which, as opposed to the Cue and Lucira, gives quantitative results instead of a yes/no.

this is a game changer for us because it suggests if you test you can be assured for 4-12 hours that you're not seeing some ambiguous result and we can potentially feel comfortable unmasking in groups. you look at the graph and if the two lines (which I believe are looking at the N and ORF sequences, separately) are both flat and the control is reading right, that's a negative result. it takes 39 minutes.

huge caveat of course that you have to ensure the person swabbing has good testing technique and hits all the right spots. will only be able to do this with friendly people who are patient and thorough.

what really sold us was this absolutely fantastic, SA covid thread-level FAQ: https://virus.sucks/pluslife_en/ which captures so much nuance it's just fantastic.

i was hoping to ask some of you to take a look at the FAQ and its data because I know I always miss things. every question I had that I tweeted at them they directed me to the relevant section of the FAQ.

we haven't pulled the trigger yet. it's $400 for the unit and then $12 per test (including shipping. although we plan to buy in bulk with others) and there's a whole bunch of discount codes, too. so way lower than $50/cue and $50 current price per Lucira (ignoring Lucira being so error-prone).

Zantie
Mar 30, 2003

Death. The capricious dance of Now You Stop Moving Forever.
Hospital reporting might be coming back October 1st?

https://twitter.com/NohaAboelataMD/status/1786047447292375140

SplitSoul
Dec 31, 2000

Steve Yun posted:



wow

wash your hands

Anything happen with MRSA in the past 17 years?

Steve Yun
Aug 7, 2003
I'm a parasitic landlord that needs to get a job instead of stealing worker's money. Make sure to remind me when I post.
Soiled Meat
https://x.com/acrossthemersey/status/1785991933363437917?s=46

The Oldest Man
Jul 28, 2003

big cummers ONLY posted:

I appreciate early pandemic reposts. I fantasize about having the time/energy to go through the old threads and collect screenshots of the important tweets and articles, trying to condense the timeline down into something that can be digested and internalized more easily. The whole thing just feels like an amorphous blob of "bad times" in my memory. But even skipping all the white noise posting, that would be an intimidating project to start.

I've started doing it with H5N1, just in case it pops off :unsmith:

I've gone back and re-read the threads before and I think you can basically classify it into a few eras:

Jan '20 -> Feb '20: nobody in the real world realizes theyre about to get hit by the train, lot of lol lmaos going around
Feb '20 -> June '20: Pure panic transitioning into "WE NEED TO GET BACK TO NORMAL" screaming begins to start in parallel with a rising protest movement; landlord class feels real fear for the first time this generation; gate-keepers get really mad at people who bought some N95s at the hardware store for wildfire smoke and are constantly litigating that they don't do anything.
July '20 -> Jan '21: Bigger overlaps between racial justice protesting and covid awareness, but in parallel the BACK TO NORMAL screamers really start to get their game plan together,Great Barrington Declaration happens in October, but their momentum is stalled out when the '20-'21 winter season is deadly as gently caress, bodies overflowing morgues again
Feb '21 -> August '21: Transition to hot vax summer, isn't the air so much sweeter without our masks, Biden is president now and the solidarity of the protest and covid movements evaporates like a fart in the wind. This is all happening while we're watching Delta walk like the reaper through India, killing so many that they've run out of wood for the funeral pyres, and then turn its baleful gaze on the west, dead people piling up again. I lost two members of my extended family to COVID over this summer.
September '21 -> December '21: Personally, the hardest period of the pandemic for me and one of the hardest periods of my life. Everybody has been fully propagandized that it's over, everyone's vaccinated, Delta is receding, We Have the Tools becomes a thing with paxlovid being approved, It's Fine Now. Meanwhile, Omicron first shows up in November and it's clear to anybody paying attention by December that this is about to be the deadliest period of the pandemic. The cognitive dissonance becomes unbearable. I felt like screaming and punching a wall almost every day during this time.
Jan '22 - March '22: Death stalks the land.
April '22 - June '23: The endless "new record" surges in the acute death toll are over since Omicron's high score is probably impossible to beat, and as a result, everybody gives up. People are still dying but no one cares anymore. The relitigation of the pandemic begins in earnest. Everything bad in the world is now the result of lockdowns that never happened. Saving lives was wrong, actually. There is, however, still a hard PR campaign on how good The Tools are and how Safe everything is. People get really mad about counter-arguments that The Tools are insufficient and the long-term health burden of the virus running unchecked forever is going to gently caress up society. Increasing trends toward characterizing as anyone taking precautions as having a mental illness.
Late '23 to the present: The true "post-COVID" era begins. The Tools become increasingly hard to find anywhere. Vaccines increasingly gate kept, paxlovid increasingly gate-kept, mask bans for employees start to show up in more and more places. Now that everyone has agreed that taking precautions is a mental illness, the PR campaign that having Long Covid itself is a psychogenic illness begins.

The Oldest Man
Jul 28, 2003

My most distinct memory of the pre-March '20 period is when I called my cousin in late January (after the Wuhan quarantine) who was at the time an epidemiologist for a state department of health and asked if they thought this was going to be a big deal. their answer was "if it gets to the US at all, it'll be like a bad flu season if that." i didnt argue with them or anything i was just in a bit of disbelief that they thought it was a nothingburger after seeing the pictures coming out of china

they work for the state department now lmao

Lacrosse
Jun 16, 2010

>:V


an owls casket posted:

It happens. I had it really bad a few years in a row prior to covid.

That's a relief, I took a big step backwards when I heard him say that, and I wasn't even standing all that close

tuyop
Sep 15, 2006

Every second that we're not growing BASIL is a second wasted

Fun Shoe

The Oldest Man posted:

I've gone back and re-read the threads before and I think you can basically classify it into a few eras:

Jan '20 -> Feb '20: nobody in the real world realizes theyre about to get hit by the train, lot of lol lmaos going around
Feb '20 -> June '20: Pure panic transitioning into "WE NEED TO GET BACK TO NORMAL" screaming begins to start in parallel with a rising protest movement; landlord class feels real fear for the first time this generation; gate-keepers get really mad at people who bought some N95s at the hardware store for wildfire smoke and are constantly litigating that they don't do anything.
July '20 -> Jan '21: Bigger overlaps between racial justice protesting and covid awareness, but in parallel the BACK TO NORMAL screamers really start to get their game plan together,Great Barrington Declaration happens in October, but their momentum is stalled out when the '20-'21 winter season is deadly as gently caress, bodies overflowing morgues again
Feb '21 -> August '21: Transition to hot vax summer, isn't the air so much sweeter without our masks, Biden is president now and the solidarity of the protest and covid movements evaporates like a fart in the wind. This is all happening while we're watching Delta walk like the reaper through India, killing so many that they've run out of wood for the funeral pyres, and then turn its baleful gaze on the west, dead people piling up again. I lost two members of my extended family to COVID over this summer.
September '21 -> December '21: Personally, the hardest period of the pandemic for me and one of the hardest periods of my life. Everybody has been fully propagandized that it's over, everyone's vaccinated, Delta is receding, We Have the Tools becomes a thing with paxlovid being approved, It's Fine Now. Meanwhile, Omicron first shows up in November and it's clear to anybody paying attention by December that this is about to be the deadliest period of the pandemic. The cognitive dissonance becomes unbearable. I felt like screaming and punching a wall almost every day during this time.
Jan '22 - March '22: Death stalks the land.
April '22 - June '23: The endless "new record" surges in the acute death toll are over since Omicron's high score is probably impossible to beat, and as a result, everybody gives up. People are still dying but no one cares anymore. The relitigation of the pandemic begins in earnest. Everything bad in the world is now the result of lockdowns that never happened. Saving lives was wrong, actually. There is, however, still a hard PR campaign on how good The Tools are and how Safe everything is. People get really mad about counter-arguments that The Tools are insufficient and the long-term health burden of the virus running unchecked forever is going to gently caress up society. Increasing trends toward characterizing as anyone taking precautions as having a mental illness.
Late '23 to the present: The true "post-COVID" era begins. The Tools become increasingly hard to find anywhere. Vaccines increasingly gate kept, paxlovid increasingly gate-kept, mask bans for employees start to show up in more and more places. Now that everyone has agreed that taking precautions is a mental illness, the PR campaign that having Long Covid itself is a psychogenic illness begins.

this jives with my recollections but is much more specific. thanks The Oldest Man!

Shady Amish Terror
Oct 11, 2007
I'm not Amish by choice. 8(
Consistently predict what the monied people want to hear and they may, sometimes, share some trivial scraps of that money in return for carrying the burden of their sins for them.

The cycle continues ever on

Teabag Dome Scandal
Mar 19, 2002


NeonPunk posted:

So nobody want to talk about the most recent study showing Covid infects your bone marrow and it then produce platelets carrying Covid throughout your body?

I wouldn't want to talk about it either because the implications of that is pretty scary

Didn't we have a study last year showing evidence of this? I don't think they called out whatever the newest study is calling out (can't recall, starts with an M) but I remember reading about it getting into bone marrow.

The Oldest Man
Jul 28, 2003

tuyop posted:

this jives with my recollections but is much more specific. thanks The Oldest Man!

if there's one takeaway i have from the last four years it's that the democrats' function as a COIN op has never been clearer in history; again and again and again they went to bat for policies that kill people and convinced people that eating poo poo and dying young is really what they want

Teabag Dome Scandal
Mar 19, 2002


Sunny Side Up posted:

hi thread long time no see. lots of fun on my end both with our Still Coviding homeschool group (many fun events with 20-30 kids and their caregivers, all in good masks and most people fit-tested) and organizing with SCORE (https://socialist-core.org/).

the last game changer we had, which allowed us to go back to doing pretty much whatever, except masked, was when we fit tested a long time ago (on the tail end of my almost-year in-person at work).

there's a new LAMP (almost-PCR) called PlusLife which, as opposed to the Cue and Lucira, gives quantitative results instead of a yes/no.

this is a game changer for us because it suggests if you test you can be assured for 4-12 hours that you're not seeing some ambiguous result and we can potentially feel comfortable unmasking in groups. you look at the graph and if the two lines (which I believe are looking at the N and ORF sequences, separately) are both flat and the control is reading right, that's a negative result. it takes 39 minutes.

huge caveat of course that you have to ensure the person swabbing has good testing technique and hits all the right spots. will only be able to do this with friendly people who are patient and thorough.

what really sold us was this absolutely fantastic, SA covid thread-level FAQ: https://virus.sucks/pluslife_en/ which captures so much nuance it's just fantastic.

i was hoping to ask some of you to take a look at the FAQ and its data because I know I always miss things. every question I had that I tweeted at them they directed me to the relevant section of the FAQ.

we haven't pulled the trigger yet. it's $400 for the unit and then $12 per test (including shipping. although we plan to buy in bulk with others) and there's a whole bunch of discount codes, too. so way lower than $50/cue and $50 current price per Lucira (ignoring Lucira being so error-prone).

this whips rear end OP and the FAQ is insanely thorough. I don't think i saw anything about expiration of the tests themselves or storage?

Pingui
Jun 4, 2006

WTF?

SplitSoul posted:

Anything happen with MRSA in the past 17 years?

Presumably it evolved to become milder.

Insanite
Aug 30, 2005

metrix tests seem to be back in stock

just ordered a bundle of 12

Oracle
Oct 9, 2004

NeonPunk posted:

So nobody want to talk about the most recent study showing Covid infects your bone marrow and it then produce platelets carrying Covid throughout your body?

I wouldn't want to talk about it either because the implications of that is pretty scary

post a link

Oracle
Oct 9, 2004

Teabag Dome Scandal posted:

Didn't we have a study last year showing evidence of this? I don't think they called out whatever the newest study is calling out (can't recall, starts with an M) but I remember reading about it getting into bone marrow.

mitochondria?

FUCK COREY PERRY
Apr 19, 2008



mags posted:

long covid gave me a fivehead

NeonPunk
Dec 21, 2020

Oracle posted:

post a link

https://twitter.com/ahandvanish/status/1785781906631442751

euphronius
Feb 18, 2009

if I always have covid … that means I can never catch it again ! that’s good news

Teabag Dome Scandal
Mar 19, 2002


I can't find the info that I'm thinking of in particular, but just searching covid and marrow in the thread search brings up a couple conversations back in August/Sept talking about megakaryocytes and some studies from around then that reference them.

The study I'm thinking of said basically, covid gets in your bone marrow, starts producing platelets with the spike protein, and this causes your body to go loving berserk and could account for severe cases of covid.

Salt Fish
Sep 11, 2003

Cybernetic Crumb
Trying to find novavax. Vaccine.gov says CVS has it, the CVS website say they have it at all locations, you call the location the phone system says they have it, and then you show up and they don't have it. I called 3 CVSs today and all of them claimed to have it but if you brute force their phone tree to ask a human they don't have it.

Salt Fish has issued a correction as of 21:14 on May 2, 2024

FUCK COREY PERRY
Apr 19, 2008



NeonPunk posted:

Ngl I'm just thinking it's just them trying to get rid of Biden before the convention starts so they can run somebody different for the election.


On a different topic, they finally caught Max Titers

https://twitter.com/kischober/status/1764885569627201565

stop doxxing me

Sunny Side Up
Jun 22, 2004

Mayoist Third Condimentist

Teabag Dome Scandal posted:

this whips rear end OP and the FAQ is insanely thorough. I don't think i saw anything about expiration of the tests themselves or storage?

hell yeah. so our friend who bought them already said they were good for about a year from when they received them.

here's what the FAQ says about that and storage:

--

The test kits should be stored in a cool and dry place between 2°–28° C.

The manufacturer has stated that the test kits have remained stable in experiments between -20–55 °C, so temperature fluctuations during transportation are harmless.

--

The manufacturer strongly recommends not to use expired test cards.

We have also carried out our own tests and can confirm that expired tests no longer work properly and can even be false negative.

The fresher the test kit, the better it works. It is therefore not advisable to stockpile test kits for a long period of time. Fresh batches are constantly being produced, it is better to order more frequently.

Sunny Side Up
Jun 22, 2004

Mayoist Third Condimentist

Insanite posted:

metrix tests seem to be back in stock

just ordered a bundle of 12

how are those working out? we hadn't had a reason to consider them (we have a cue) but a friend has said that for her every other one (like 50%) error out.

FUCK COREY PERRY
Apr 19, 2008



Steve Yun posted:

Ask your doctor which Covid is right for you

Indoor Dying
Dec 13, 2022

Salt Fish posted:

Trying to find novavax. Vaccine.gov says CVS has it, the CVS website say they have it at all locations, you call the location the phone system says they have it, and then you show up and they don't have it. I called 3 CVSs today and all of them claimed to have it but if you brute force their phone tree to ask a human they don't have it.

The CVS website also says that appointments for Novavax aren't necessary, just walk in (to most likely be asked if you have an appointment and then be told they don't have it). Moderna and Pfizer still require appointments. What a wonderful, easy system of a tool

Pingui
Jun 4, 2006

WTF?
This is a substudy of the COVID-OUT study that was posted last year (the one showing the good Metformin results written below under "Background"). Essentially showing a 3.6-fold reduction in viral load, relative to placebo.
"Favorable Antiviral Effect of Metformin on Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome Coronavirus 2 Viral Load in a Randomized, Placebo-Controlled Clinical Trial of Coronavirus Disease 2019"

https://academic.oup.com/cid/advance-article-abstract/doi/10.1093/cid/ciae159/7660393?redirectedFrom=fulltext&login=false posted:

Abstract
Background
Metformin has antiviral activity against RNA viruses including severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2). The mechanism appears to be suppression of protein translation via targeting the host mechanistic target of rapamycin pathway. In the COVID-OUT randomized trial for outpatient coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19), metformin reduced the odds of hospitalizations/death through 28 days by 58%, of emergency department visits/hospitalizations/death through 14 days by 42%, and of long COVID through 10 months by 42%.

Methods
COVID-OUT was a 2 × 3 randomized, placebo-controlled, double-blind trial that assessed metformin, fluvoxamine, and ivermectin; 999 participants self-collected anterior nasal swabs on day 1 (n = 945), day 5 (n = 871), and day 10 (n = 775). Viral load was quantified using reverse-transcription quantitative polymerase chain reaction.

Results
The mean SARS-CoV-2 viral load was reduced 3.6-fold with metformin relative to placebo (−0.56 log10 copies/mL; 95% confidence interval [CI], −1.05 to −.06; P = .027). Those who received metformin were less likely to have a detectable viral load than placebo at day 5 or day 10 (odds ratio [OR], 0.72; 95% CI, .55 to .94). Viral rebound, defined as a higher viral load at day 10 than day 5, was less frequent with metformin (3.28%) than placebo (5.95%; OR, 0.68; 95% CI, .36 to 1.29). The metformin effect was consistent across subgroups and increased over time. Neither ivermectin nor fluvoxamine showed effect over placebo.

Conclusions
In this randomized, placebo-controlled trial of outpatient treatment of SARS-CoV-2, metformin significantly reduced SARS-CoV-2 viral load, which may explain the clinical benefits in this trial. Metformin is pleiotropic with other actions that are relevant to COVID-19 pathophysiology.

Salt Fish
Sep 11, 2003

Cybernetic Crumb

Indoor Dying posted:

The CVS website also says that appointments for Novavax aren't necessary, just walk in (to most likely be asked if you have an appointment and then be told they don't have it). Moderna and Pfizer still require appointments. What a wonderful, easy system of a tool

Yeah I called them and they told me I could get novavax if I made an appointment on the website. I told them the website says you can't make an appointment for novavax, and to simply walk in, and that their store is listed as having it in stock. Then I got put on hold, then I was told they don't have novavax. This happened when I called multiple different CVSs.

Teabag Dome Scandal
Mar 19, 2002


Salt Fish posted:

Trying to find novavax. Vaccine.gov says CVS has it, the CVS website say they have it at all locations, you call the location the phone system says they have it, and then you show up and they don't have it. I called 3 CVSs today and all of them claimed to have it but if you brute force their phone tree to ask a human they don't have it.

Salt Fish posted:

Yeah I called them and they told me I could get novavax if I made an appointment on the website. I told them the website says you can't make an appointment for novavax, and to simply walk in, and that their store is listed as having it in stock. Then I got put on hold, then I was told they don't have novavax. This happened when I called multiple different CVSs.

Keep calling around and only take verbal confirmation from someone in the pharmacy. The website is bullshit, they don't all have them, and the one CVS I found that did have Novavax said they don't take walk-ins.

I think someone a couple weeks ago either stated or repeated something they heard/read that Novavax was hitting their "respiratory virus season" expiration dates at the end of April. I don't know if that means they wouldn't have more available until the fall or what. I tried getting mine from my local Costco and after calling the week prior to make sure they had it, I showed up and they were out and told they would not be getting more. I found it at a different Costco and did not inquire about their stock situation. This was last week. Good luck!

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

BREADS
Travel LOCKDOWNS continue in the City of Angels.

https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2024-05-02/after-covid-a-slice-of-tourists-didnt-return-l-a-wants-them-back

https://archive.ph/FtNFp

quote:

Before the pandemic, a steady stream of buses ferrying tourists from Brazil, China, Australia and elsewhere pulled into the Original Farmers Market every day. They typically idled for an hour or so, while their passengers ate and shopped for souvenirs at the historic collection of food stalls and kitschy shops in the heart of Los Angeles.

The buses still come these days. But, if the city’s overall tourism figures are any indication, the number of international travelers isn’t what it used to be.

Adam Burke is looking to fix that.

As president and chief executive of the Los Angeles Tourism & Convention Board, Burke has watched the city rebound after the dark days of COVID-19 to reassert itself as one of the country’s most popular travel destinations. The recovery, however, is incomplete as visits from international travelers remain well below pre-pandemic levels.

quote:

They’re hoping the conference provides an additional boost to the number of visits from abroad. While the volume of domestic visitors to L.A. has recovered to pre-pandemic levels, the 5.8 million international visitors L.A. received last year represents only about three-quarters of the total who came in 2019, according to figures from the tourism board.

quote:

Although the more than 75 million departures and arrivals at LAX in 2023 marked a nearly 14% jump in volume from the previous year, the total was still about 15% below the airport’s traffic in 2019, according to Dae Levine, a spokesperson for Los Angeles World Airports.

“The gap we are looking to make up is flights to and from China,” Levine said.

Comrade Xi, please.

DominoKitten
Aug 7, 2012

On advice from the thread, I was able to find Novavax at Rite-aid. The pharmacist balked at wasting a vial on just me but I was amenable and brought back two people the next day and everyone was happy (my goal was getting it for all of us anyway). I also got a tip about an independent pharmacy up north in the Seattle area carrying it too.

The Oldest Man
Jul 28, 2003

DominoKitten posted:

The pharmacist balked at wasting a vial on just me but I was amenable and brought back two people the next day and everyone was happy (my goal was getting it for all of us anyway).

this reads like a side quest from a fallout game

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

BREADS

The Oldest Man posted:

this reads like a side quest from a fallout game

Gotta save all the chems for endgame.

Oops! All wasted!

DominoKitten
Aug 7, 2012

The pharmacist WOULD have given it to just me if I insisted, to be fair.

Insanite
Aug 30, 2005

Sunny Side Up posted:

how are those working out? we hadn't had a reason to consider them (we have a cue) but a friend has said that for her every other one (like 50%) error out.

they are basically that bad if you follow the instructions.

if you let the cartridge sit for about a minute before you put it into the reader, the success rate is vaaaaaastly improved. i haven't had an errored out test in a couple of months, and that's with pretty regular testing on a family of four.

Teabag Dome Scandal
Mar 19, 2002


DominoKitten posted:

On advice from the thread, I was able to find Novavax at Rite-aid. The pharmacist balked at wasting a vial on just me but I was amenable and brought back two people the next day and everyone was happy (my goal was getting it for all of us anyway). I also got a tip about an independent pharmacy up north in the Seattle area carrying it too.

Did you get grilled about eligibility or did they really only care about flushing unused doses down the toilet?

DesertIslandHermit
Oct 7, 2019

It's beautiful. And it's for the god of...of...arts and crafts. I think that's what he said.

Salt Fish posted:

Trying to find novavax. Vaccine.gov says CVS has it, the CVS website say they have it at all locations, you call the location the phone system says they have it, and then you show up and they don't have it. I called 3 CVSs today and all of them claimed to have it but if you brute force their phone tree to ask a human they don't have it.

I got mine some months back. Had a CVS confirm it to me but as they were about to get me needled up, one of the pharmacists said they didn’t know what Novavax was because ‘we had never seen it before’ and tried to offer Pfizer. I just told him it was suggested to me by my doctor and he just gave in. Never seem that kind of hesitation before.

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spiritual bypass
Feb 19, 2008

Grimey Drawer

Shady Amish Terror posted:

to those who trawl the thread in a blissful cosmic state of contextless, this is a joke, in response to 'treatments mentioned alongside covid'; ivermectin is perhaps the covid treatment we have the most research on, as there's now, what, hundreds if not thousands of studies debunking it? 8V

idk maybe if you need to get published on a timely basis it's easy to run some uncontroversial null result research and it's low-hanging fruit???

We have more credible research on how incredibly ineffective hcql and ivermectin are than we have good research in support of interventions that work, because there's a non-stop grindmill publishing and promoting bunk studies that say masks don't work (if you require people to take them off in infectious areas) or paxlovid doesn't work (if you design your study badly and only look at certain self-reported long covid symptoms in a certain timeframe, wtf pfizer it's YOUR OWN DRUG), or that covid is becoming unable to infect people (if you mean only and exclusively OG covid and ignore the several active circulating strains)

to paraphrase an amusingly stupid shithead rear end in a top hat, 'maybe we could just get some light in the body, has anybody thought of that?'

mad?

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