Sancho Banana posted:

Channel 12 is saying the ceasefire proposal includes a permanent end to the war, so that makes sense. Hamas is just reaffirming the demands they've always had, now it's up to Israel to respond.

Al-Saqr posted:

If the Ceasefire includes a permanent end to the war this is the single most incredible military victory in the entire arab-israeli conflict, this is a bigger thing than 1967 in terms of the effect it will have. it's a literal military miracle by an arab force.

SplitSoul posted:

Last time I linked an OHCHR report on Facebook I was almost instantly notified that it potentially violated the community guidelines on violent and graphic content and would be moved lower in the feed.

Edit: It just happened again. Facebook is specifically targeting OHCHR reports for censorship.

quote:

The experts noted that Israeli forces had also destroyed Gaza’s largest fertility clinic, reported to have been storing 3,000 embryos.

Sancho Banana posted:

Yup, Israel is rejecting the deal

https://twitter.com/N12News/status/1787528301591867676?t=LbbsbpbG_XnEgEj4ssGu1A&s=19

HallelujahLee posted:

i wouldnt celebrate anything until israel responds

HallelujahLee posted:

i wouldnt celebrate anything until israel responds

SplitSoul posted:

Last time I linked an OHCHR report on Facebook I was almost instantly notified that it potentially violated the community guidelines on violent and graphic content and would be moved lower in the feed.

Edit: It just happened again. Facebook is specifically targeting OHCHR reports for censorship.

Sancho Banana posted:

According to Haniyeh's advisor, the proposal includes "a ceasefire, reconstruction, the return of the displaced and the release of prisoners"

https://twitter.com/N12News/status/1787529870609613142?t=NYPwQ4-mvqMelpZoPSam0Q&s=19

Al-Saqr posted:

wow Hamas is winning bigly

Jel Shaker posted:

you’re basing it off the promo video which we all were making jokes about the lack of PPE when it came out? you actually thought they should have shown the activity of a real workshop while they’re being bombed?

the point it is important for hamas to be seen to be accurate and credible, any information they release is going to be checked for veracity because they know the western media will jump on them for being lying terrorists on the first slip up

tetSUOOO posted:

That's why it's probably not going to happen. Israel is still going to murder Rafah

tetSUOOO posted:

quote:

DE-ESCALATE IN PHASES
The initial stage of the deal would last for 40 days. Hamas would start by releasing female civilian hostages in exchange for Palestinian prisoners held by Israel.

After this first batch, Israeli troops would withdraw from a coastal road in Gaza and head inland to facilitate the entry of humanitarian aid. This would also allow displaced civilians to return to their homes in the northern Gaza Strip. Hamas would provide a list of hostages who are still alive during that time. Israel estimates that Hamas is holding about 100 hostages and the remains of 30 others either killed in the Oct. 7 Hamas attack that sparked the war or who have died in captivity.

Within the third week, both sides would start indirect negotiations that aim to restore permanent calm. Three weeks into the first phase, Israeli troops would withdraw from central Gaza.

NEXT STEPS TOWARD PEACE
The second six-week phase would seek to finalize arrangements for a permanent calm, the release of all remaining hostages held by Hamas, both civilians and soldiers, in exchange for more Palestinian prisoners. The soldier hostages would not be released before the start of the calm.

The third and final stage would include the release of the remains of deceased hostages still in Gaza, more prisoners held by Israel, and the start of a five-year reconstruction plan. The plan says that Hamas would agree not to rebuild its military arsenal.

Al-Saqr posted:

why are you sad? It's a good thing

Sancho Banana posted:

According to Haniyeh's advisor, the proposal includes "a ceasefire, reconstruction, the return of the displaced and the release of prisoners"

https://twitter.com/N12News/status/1787529870609613142?t=NYPwQ4-mvqMelpZoPSam0Q&s=19

Al-Saqr posted:

Yeah I doubt Hamas would agree to voluntarily not rebuild their arsenal given what happened.

Dolash posted:

American commentators trying to suggest that a temporary ceasefire is good enough because then it can become a defacto permanent ceasefire are also a joke, as if anyone believes America is willing to lean on Israel to get that done. If they wanted that, they could make Israel agree to a permanent ceasefire up-front. I've never seen a more naked example of trying to hide the truth by calling it "complicated" because they're not allowed to observe reality.

tatankatonk posted:

so yeah israel is rejecting this lol

Al-Saqr posted:

holy poo poo

aljazeera reporting tbag third phase of plan stipulates total lifting of gaza siege and blockade

woooowwwww


hamas has literally freed gaza

VoicesCanBe posted:

I really, really do not see Israel agreeing to this. But just the fact that Hamas is demanding it shows they understand the weakness of Israel's position.

VoicesCanBe posted:

Unfortunately, yeah I don't see Israel agreeing to this

I really, really do not see Israel agreeing to this. But just the fact that Hamas is demanding it shows they understand the weakness of Israel's position.

Al-Saqr posted:

this plan was drafted by Qatar and Egypt and was absolutely shared with the US every step of the way, israel may not agree but theyre completely cornered diplomatically. Hamas has completely checkmated israel strategically.

Al-Saqr posted:

Yeah I doubt Hamas would agree to voluntarily not rebuild their arsenal given what happened.

Ramrod Hotshot posted:

that means that somebody in Washington at least tacitly ok'ed it. Rather surprising in that sense

Al-Saqr posted:

there is no doubt also that the iranian strikes and the student protest movement absolutely spooked washington into re-examining their stance.

Al-Saqr posted:

there is no doubt also that the iranian strikes and the student protest movement absolutely spooked washington into re-examining their stance not becauae theyre nice but because the position is becoming untenable.