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Sancho Banana posted:Channel 12 is saying the ceasefire proposal includes a permanent end to the war, so that makes sense. Hamas is just reaffirming the demands they've always had, now it's up to Israel to respond. If the Ceasefire includes a permanent end to the war this is the single most incredible military victory in the entire arab-israeli conflict, this is a bigger thing than 1967 in terms of the effect it will have. it's a literal military miracle by an arab force. This is a victory that will be a descriptor the same way 'Stalingrad' is. Al-Saqr has issued a correction as of 18:09 on May 6, 2024 |
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Al-Saqr posted:If the Ceasefire includes a permanent end to the war this is the single most incredible military victory in the entire arab-israeli conflict, this is a bigger thing than 1967 in terms of the effect it will have. it's a literal military miracle by an arab force. That's why it's probably not going to happen. Israel is still going to murder Rafah
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SplitSoul posted:Last time I linked an OHCHR report on Facebook I was almost instantly notified that it potentially violated the community guidelines on violent and graphic content and would be moved lower in the feed. quote:The experts noted that Israeli forces had also destroyed Gaza’s largest fertility clinic, reported to have been storing 3,000 embryos. Embryos are also Hamas?!
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Sancho Banana posted:Yup, Israel is rejecting the deal judging by the replies to this, a lot of israelis have had enough of the government prolonging this
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i wouldnt celebrate anything until israel responds
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HallelujahLee posted:i wouldnt celebrate anything until israel responds It appears Israel is already rejecting the deal per the link just posted
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# ? May 6, 2024 18:13 |
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HallelujahLee posted:i wouldnt celebrate anything until israel responds Channel 12 says Israel rejects the ceasefire outright
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oh my bad i didnt translate that post yeah i agree with the other poster this was to call israels bluff Officials tell networks Kan, 12 and 13 that the terms Hamas accepted are not those that Israel agreed to. According to the networks, the offer Hamas has accepted is one made unilaterally by Egypt and is not being taken seriously in Jerusalem before the details are clarified
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# ? May 6, 2024 18:13 |
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SplitSoul posted:Last time I linked an OHCHR report on Facebook I was almost instantly notified that it potentially violated the community guidelines on violent and graphic content and would be moved lower in the feed. lol this is (partially) why they banned tiktok
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According to Haniyeh's advisor, the proposal includes "a ceasefire, reconstruction, the return of the displaced and the release of prisoners" https://twitter.com/N12News/status/1787529870609613142?t=NYPwQ4-mvqMelpZoPSam0Q&s=19
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Sancho Banana posted:According to Haniyeh's advisor, the proposal includes "a ceasefire, reconstruction, the return of the displaced and the release of prisoners" wow Hamas is winning bigly
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Al-Saqr posted:wow Hamas is winning bigly
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Jel Shaker posted:you’re basing it off the promo video which we all were making jokes about the lack of PPE when it came out? you actually thought they should have shown the activity of a real workshop while they’re being bombed? I think there are two things to care about to fully understand what is going on. The first is accurate information, the second is complete information. It's clear that information from Israel has been massively inaccurate. I buy the argument that it is important for Hamas to be accurate, yet it is also in their best interest to not always provide complete information. So even if the information is accurate it is important to keep in mind that you are probably not seeing everything.
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tetSUOOO posted:That's why it's probably not going to happen. Israel is still going to murder Rafah stfu
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The phrasing on all of the "Hamas refuses a ceasefire with their unrealistic demands (for it to be permanent) means they are responsible for continuing the war" reporting is driving me crazy. It's like the Onion but printed sincerely. Just bald-faced refusing to acknowledge the logic of their own statement. American commentators trying to suggest that a temporary ceasefire is good enough because then it can become a defacto permanent ceasefire are also a joke, as if anyone believes America is willing to lean on Israel to get that done. If they wanted that, they could make Israel agree to a permanent ceasefire up-front. I've never seen a more naked example of trying to hide the truth by calling it "complicated" because they're not allowed to observe reality.
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why are you sad? It's a good thing
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these are the previously known terms from 3 days ago btw, don't know if this is what hamas agreed to or not. especially with the last line, but info is scarce right nowquote:DE-ESCALATE IN PHASES
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# ? May 6, 2024 18:22 |
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i imagine Hamas agreed to the one with a permanent ceasefire and complete withdrawal
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Al-Saqr posted:why are you sad? It's a good thing I dont think it's real, im sorry. I feel terrible now
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Yeah I doubt Hamas would agree to voluntarily not rebuild their arsenal given what happened.
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Sancho Banana posted:According to Haniyeh's advisor, the proposal includes "a ceasefire, reconstruction, the return of the displaced and the release of prisoners" so yeah israel is rejecting this lol
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Al-Saqr posted:Yeah I doubt Hamas would agree to voluntarily not rebuild their arsenal given what happened. also agree with this
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Dolash posted:American commentators trying to suggest that a temporary ceasefire is good enough because then it can become a defacto permanent ceasefire are also a joke, as if anyone believes America is willing to lean on Israel to get that done. If they wanted that, they could make Israel agree to a permanent ceasefire up-front. I've never seen a more naked example of trying to hide the truth by calling it "complicated" because they're not allowed to observe reality. we already had the temporary ceasefire and prisoner exchange but weirdly israel kept bombing and abducting people anyway
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this sicko is about to start talking. wonder what he has to say about the ceasefire https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHR5rftmMOQ
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holy poo poo aljazeera reporting tbag third phase of plan stipulates total lifting of gaza siege and blockade woooowwwww hamas has literally freed gaza
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tatankatonk posted:so yeah israel is rejecting this lol Unfortunately, yeah I don't see Israel agreeing to this Al-Saqr posted:holy poo poo I really, really do not see Israel agreeing to this. But just the fact that Hamas is demanding it shows they understand the weakness of Israel's position.
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also total withdrawal of all israelis from all of gaza between second-third phase
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The hostages families threaten to "burn The country" if Netanyahu turns the deal down. Whatever answer he gives, a lot of people are gonna be pissed. https://twitter.com/N12News/status/1787535003842216400?t=6g40Tnhz9Gp3DoXE4dg_Vw&s=19
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VoicesCanBe posted:I really, really do not see Israel agreeing to this. But just the fact that Hamas is demanding it shows they understand the weakness of Israel's position.
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VoicesCanBe posted:Unfortunately, yeah I don't see Israel agreeing to this this plan was drafted by Qatar and Egypt and was absolutely shared with the US every step of the way, israel may not agree but theyre completely cornered diplomatically. Hamas has completely checkmated israel strategically.
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Al-Saqr posted:this plan was drafted by Qatar and Egypt and was absolutely shared with the US every step of the way, israel may not agree but theyre completely cornered diplomatically. Hamas has completely checkmated israel strategically. that means that somebody in Washington at least tacitly ok'ed it. Rather surprising in that sense
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https://twitter.com/Seamus_Malek/status/1787536453146132962?t=sfOCbF0pkCGhxmP3wphDMQ&s=19
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Al-Saqr posted:Yeah I doubt Hamas would agree to voluntarily not rebuild their arsenal given what happened. maybe they know Israel will reject it, so they say "look we're even agreeing to disarm, you're getting everything you want Israel" and let them publicly reject it
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the US has been pushing the garbage 6 week deal
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there is no doubt also that the iranian strikes and the student protest movement absolutely spooked washington into re-examining their stance not becauae theyre nice but because the position is becoming untenable.
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Israeli protestors with relatives who are hostages are talking about burning the country if the deal is not accepted https://twitter.com/QudsNen/status/1787536433835594155?t=6RkvL2KGqj48-g-QaLcY9w&s=19
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Ramrod Hotshot posted:that means that somebody in Washington at least tacitly ok'ed it. Rather surprising in that sense The US was really hoping this would be wrapped up quickly, which is why one of their first responses after October 7th was to lean on Egypt to help "evacuate" Palestinian civilians out of Gaza (aka ethnic cleansing). The fact that this has dragged for months is a huge problem for them.
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Al-Saqr posted:there is no doubt also that the iranian strikes and the student protest movement absolutely spooked washington into re-examining their stance. This too
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i still dont see genocide joe doing anything if israel rejects this
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Al-Saqr posted:there is no doubt also that the iranian strikes and the student protest movement absolutely spooked washington into re-examining their stance not becauae theyre nice but because the position is becoming untenable. the it's scared meme but instead of a bug it's Mayor McCheese
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