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Counterpoint: there should never be a "scan this" icon, every time you want to scan something you should have to solve a puzzle in real time, and you can run out of air or get eaten while in the puzzle interface.
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Moon Slayer posted:Counterpoint: there should never be a "scan this" icon, every time you want to scan something you should have to solve a puzzle in real time, and you can run out of air or get eaten while in the puzzle interface. I hope it’s a Pipe Dream puzzle clone!
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Below Zero did a super good job of using oxygen plants and complicated locations to create almost a push your luck game of exploration. I wound up swimming down a crack in a volcano so deep I came out into the mines and was desperately scanning prawn suit fragments and grabbing rubies while panicking over where the next oxygen plant might be. I wound up having to swap my laser cutter battery into my dead sea glide while aiming straight up the mining shaft at the end and wound up on the surface at -4 seconds or oxygen 500m from my seatruck.
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I don't recall ever having a scanner icon popup, so maybe I'm not the part of the intended argument here.
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Bhodi posted:Since they're also the primary marketers, it's a huge advantage to cater to that sort of distracted gaming. Counterpoint: Please, developers, do not ever balance anything around what streamers want
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Tiny Timbs posted:Counterpoint: Please, developers, do not ever balance anything around what streamers want
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Tom Tucker posted:Below Zero did a super good job of using oxygen plants and complicated locations to create almost a push your luck game of exploration. I wound up swimming down a crack in a volcano so deep I came out into the mines and was desperately scanning prawn suit fragments and grabbing rubies while panicking over where the next oxygen plant might be. I wound up having to swap my laser cutter battery into my dead sea glide while aiming straight up the mining shaft at the end and wound up on the surface at -4 seconds or oxygen 500m from my seatruck. I love free diving into the twisty bridges basement and getting diamonds and sea truck fragments early.
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Cartoon Man posted:I love free diving into the twisty bridges basement and getting diamonds and sea truck fragments early. If the entire game was as well designed as twisty bridges it would have been as good as the original.
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The creature design in below zero is hit or miss but the torpedo shark with predator face monsters are loving rad.
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Pander posted:If the entire game was as well designed as twisty bridges it would have been as good as the original. The mushroom spore basement under the lily pad area is so very well done too. I love how alien and exotic it is. Below Zero is an awesome game but they hosed up the surface parts which is a drat shame. And the story gets boring and doesn’t go anywhere.
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Cartoon Man posted:The mushroom spore basement under the lily pad area is so very well done too. I love how alien and exotic it is. Below Zero is an awesome game but they hosed up the surface parts which is a drat shame. And the story gets boring and doesn’t go anywhere. Reminds me of Firewatch. Lots of promise early, fizzles as the game goes on.
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Tom Tucker posted:Below Zero did a super good job of using oxygen plants and complicated locations to create almost a push your luck game of exploration. I wound up swimming down a crack in a volcano so deep I came out into the mines and was desperately scanning prawn suit fragments and grabbing rubies while panicking over where the next oxygen plant might be. I wound up having to swap my laser cutter battery into my dead sea glide while aiming straight up the mining shaft at the end and wound up on the surface at -4 seconds or oxygen 500m from my seatruck. Eh, I kinda felt like the oxygen plants tended to be too much of a breadcrumb trail, so instead of wandering and exploring organically, you just kinda see the paths offered to you and follow them. Not so much danger when you're just following the beaten bath. It's much more obvious on the surface areas where you barely need to use any of the many ways to combat the cold because there's so many paths of heatplants and safe warm caves full of warming hot peppers. Barely any danger.
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The first time I surfaced into a whiteout blizzard was genuinely disorientating and I loved it. The weather effects I really enjoyed. The lily pads were also just incredible, almost haunting the first time I came upon them.
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SlothfulCobra posted:Eh, I kinda felt like the oxygen plants tended to be too much of a breadcrumb trail, so instead of wandering and exploring organically, you just kinda see the paths offered to you and follow them. Not so much danger when you're just following the beaten bath. I agree with this, I almost wish there was a sliding setting scale that toned those down.
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Pander posted:Reminds me of Firewatch. Lots of promise early, fizzles as the game goes on. What didn’t you like about it? I thought it was a great game though you could argue that the ending was a disappointment.
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Firewatch's trailer alluded to a different game than the one we got. It was... fine? I guess? But I wasn't expecting a walking simulator, despite not minding those types of games. Also, as with many games of this type, having any and all of your choices make no difference to anything was kinda disappointing. Even if it did have tailored voice line responses, which to be fair is a cut about some other games in the genre. Outa curiosity on what they're doing nowadays, I just went to the UW site, and man, what an archive of nostalgia and loss. The NS2 forums in particular.
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Oasx posted:What didn’t you like about it? I thought it was a great game though you could argue that the ending was a disappointment. What serephina said. Good ambiance and starting premise. Thought it was gonna slow burn into something really interesting, but it dropped the ball and I was left with more of a "welp, that was an alright game I guess" vibe. For BZ, twisty bridges, the lily pads, the mushroom, and the ice flow areas are great. And then everything overland sucked the pace of play and Alan kept taking me out of the "lonely survivor" mindset that worked well in subnautica.
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Alan was a mistake who was trapped there by his people because he was so annoying.
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My son is into Subnautica videos again, and he has a stuffed crocheted Reaper that my sister-in-law made for him. He's watching reaper videos and playing with the toy, and gosh darn it, I wish I could play it for the first time again .
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Yea, that feeling the first time I stumbled into the Lost River is a feeling I’ll be forever chasing, I’m fairly sure.
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I've been watching Juniper Actias play through Subnautica and it's been a delight. She's had her stumbles, but it's mostly been very entertaining. She somehow managed to mess up the order of her radio messages badly enough that all of the Sunbeam messages were the ones to come dead last in the queue, including after the hunter messages, and she knew about everything at that point already, then had debates with chat about whether she should insist on the Canon Event or try to dodge it by refusing to answer the radio anyways I just wanted to share this wonderful moment with you all https://twitch.tv/videos/2133891522?t=4056s the silent contemplation as she stands there with the ship powered down, followed by the Reaper just mean mugging at her through the windshield as she stares at it, it's so good I also recently got a second hard drive to put games on and Below Zero is one of them, looking forward to booting that one up finally. I hear it's pretty flawed but if it's even half as good as Subnautica proper then I should be more than happy with it
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Oh huh, I didn't realize that trick would work in the original Subnautica, but I did abuse that trick in BZ to deal with the nightmares.Pander posted:Alan kept taking me out of the "lonely survivor" mindset that worked well in subnautica. You know, I didn't really mind Alan, but he does disrupt that angle (although Robin being her own character instead of the player's empty vessel also disrupts it). He also doesn't really create very much of his own vibe to make up for that. You're not really alone, but Alan's not much of a companion either. If there was just like a menu option to talk to him whenever you wanted, that might've made him feel more interesting rather than just a disembodied questgiver. But that's part of the writing of BZ being underbaked I guess.
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Captain Invictus posted:She somehow managed to mess up the order of her radio messages badly enough that all of the Sunbeam messages were the ones to come dead last in the queue, including after the hunter messages, and she knew about everything at that point already, then had debates with chat about whether she should insist on the Canon Event or try to dodge it by refusing to answer the radio If that happened to me I'd (do we still need spoilers?) trigger the event after disabling the weapons platform? There's additional dialogue for that case, instead of getting shot down they blame weather conditions and still don't land.
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I only learned from this thread. It’s a pretty specific route and timing wise you gotta know it’s possible.
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Wait does the sunbeam arrive after you trigger it somehow? I thought it was just a time thing. Maybe if you just play the game and never build a radio?
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Tom Tucker posted:Wait does the sunbeam arrive after you trigger it somehow? I thought it was just a time thing. Maybe if you just play the game and never build a radio? Basically yeah, or at least never touch the radio after the first message from them. The timer for the Sunbeam turning up won't start until you receive the radio message from them saying they're coming to get you.
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Playing this again after several years and did they remove the ability to place lockers and fabricators, etc on the sides of entryways in multi-purpose rooms? I remember being able to do this in the past but now it's not letting me.
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Not denied no, but the last time I played the placement seemed a little more finicky. But I was still able to place my fabricator just to the left of the entry as I've always done. I think it wanted to be a little higher than before though. The right side is for the battery charger and coffee machine. 
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Somebody finally decided to outright make their own Subnautica in space. https://youtu.be/o1wzlzhNrdA?si=QidlIGDJbCVKMsvc https://store.steampowered.com/app/2904320/Astrometica_Prologue/ Steam reviews seem promising but this is clearly very early access territory. I may check it out later.
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Breathedge without the "humor" and certain design decisions could be a fun game.
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I just played this until it crashed with a "d3d device lost" error and I lost a good chunk of progress. It's possibly not the game's fault that it crashed, I just updated my GPU drivers earlier, but man just be more generous with autosaves. I ran around a bit in space and got the stuff for the t1 oxygen tank (I think upgrading me from 60s to 80s oxygen, bit disappointing), the mining drill and the jetpack (decent speed boost with like a charge gauge that slowly refills after idk 10 seconds, not as fun as the seaglide), then I spent like ten, fifteen minutes not finding any silver that's for some reason needed for the basic backpack upgrade until my pal told me where to look. Once I got there I got super frustrated because my mining tool battery ran out with like 10% left on the huge silver chunk after I'd mined a bunch of stuff I apparently didn't really need, then I was even more frustrated because my inventory was full and I couldn't take all the stuff from that location home. At least I'd found the habitat builder blueprint, and I was just getting ready to place my first habitat thing (and agonizing about where to place it) when the game crashed. Between the trailer with the base building and what I've seen in the demo, it's definitely Subnautica enough that I'll almost certainly buy the full game but I'm gonna grumble through at least all of the early game. These "Subnautica but it's in space" games make it so much more of a pain than Subnautica because, like, you can't just surface for oxygen, you have to go all the way home, which just really discourages me from any exploration. Like, I get that there's not a surface in space with air above it, but then maybe don't 1:1 copy swimming game mechanics into space. The early game being kinda tedious resource gathering is also much ameliorated in Subnautica because the environments are super pretty and interesting, which this seemingly cloud of individual resource items with perfect visibility isn't. Not having access to a battery charger from the start is just as annoying as it is in Subnautica, and not being able to build any storage right away for all the crap I pick up trying to find the one resource I need is even more annoying. I guess this is supposed to be progression and rewarding when I get the tech to overcome it, but the game isn't really fun enough early on to overcome the tedium of inventory management, so I might never get there. I hope the item art isn't final, it looks like it's trying to be higher fidelity than Subnautica but it doesn't really have the polish to make that look good. On the plus side, there's a lot of cool stuff visible in the distance that I want to go and explore, and they said there's gonna be mobile bases and I'm a total sucker for those, so I wishlisted it despite just spending a whole post complaining about it. Edit: And requested access to the playtest.
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I tried a hardcore "no atmosphere oxygen allowed" challenge and died in the most bullshit way. The rules are that you can't use any o2 from the atmposhere. Only the lifepod, the seamoth (optional, requires moonpool glitch) and base oxygen can be used, plus brain coral and alien bases. The challenge ends when you've completed the main objective of the game because getting credits requires breaching the surface. This was attempt #3 over several years. First run was lost to just poor planning of o2 depots. Second run was lost to a warper slicing me up because I didn't have protection with me. Finally today I built out a giant chain of outdoor planters (hard to get without going above the surface by the way) with brain coral. The chain had a planter every 100m or so leading all the way down to the lava castle. I brought ingredients for a thermal generator and scanner with me and built it while being attacked by the worst enemies in the game, running in circles trying to build everything. I finally got it done and entered the scanner only to find out that being 30' up a pillar in that biome isn't hot enough for power generation so I ran out of o2 and died.
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Much as I'm sure that you can make a fun game out in space, I don't really expect the vibe to be all that similar to Subnautica. There's a lot different, I feel like you kinda have to have a bigger cushion of technology from the start just to make doing anything at all viable. But most of all, in space, you're truly alone, nothing but inanimate objects. I know one of the big things about Subnautica is that it's an uncaring world, but that means something more when you're surrounded by living creatures that in theory could have the capacity to care, but just don't. A sort of de facto malice. I also spent a lot more time thinking about the ocean and fish as a kid than about asteroids and gravity.
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The closest I've seen a game get to Subnautica's vibe, so far, is Forever Skies. It's still in very early access so I can't recommend jumping into it, but the gimmick is that you are on a ruined earth, cruising around at high altitude over a deadly miasma that's engulfed the planet. The only places you can land are the tops of old skyscrapers, ruined weather stations, and the like. it's got weird creatures, a big slow moving mobile base, and the sense of dread you get from walking across a tiny platform suspended precariously over a very long drop is very similar to what you get from some of the vistas in Subnautica. EDIT: Wanted to like breathedge... maybe I'm just too much of a cuck snowflake but the humor was incredibly obnoxious, it felt like I was playing xbox on the couch with ben shapiro and charlie kirk. Comte de Saint-Germain fucked around with this message at 11:09 on May 24, 2024 |
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The game I've seen recently that's given me the most Subnautica vibes has been Planet Crafter, but there's even less combat and more exploration and interaction with the world.
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GoingPostal posted:The game I've seen recently that's given me the most Subnautica vibes has been Planet Crafter, but there's even less combat and more exploration and interaction with the world. Pacific drive gets that tension a bit closer, but misses on base building and the lack of true exploration.
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Comte de Saint-Germain posted:The closest I've seen a game get to Subnautica's vibe, so far, is Forever Skies. It's still in very early access so I can't recommend jumping into it, but the gimmick is that you are on a ruined earth, cruising around at high altitude over a deadly miasma that's engulfed the planet. The only places you can land are the tops of old skyscrapers, ruined weather stations, and the like. it's got weird creatures, a big slow moving mobile base, and the sense of dread you get from walking across a tiny platform suspended precariously over a very long drop is very similar to what you get from some of the vistas in Subnautica. Forever skies latest update added in crafting from storage, which really helps
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