khwarezm posted:

The slavery point is interesting to me because, as with literally everything else you mention here, its almost comical how it just doesn't matter or is really explored at all. I don't think Anakin expresses any resentment whatsoever to the fact that he was born a slave? he doesn't seem to harbour any grudges towards his own literal slave owner, or the society of Tatooine facilitating such a grotesque system? He doesn't talk about how him being freed by the Jedi but not his mother is the source of any issues, and the film doesn't really suggest that its even a particularly difficult moral conundrum worth examining? Even said mother just gets manumitted and married to some other guy, and is killed violently in circumstances that have nothing to do with her being a slave at all, for a movie that has slavery in it, and has the main character be a slave... what's it trying to say? It just says nothing.

I actually find this really quite amazing about the prequels, they have all these elements of the worldbuilding that could lead to really interesting and tough situations, dramatic, cinematic, situations, but nothing really matters or is explored at all. I made a post a couple of months ago about how the actual clone wars themselves have all of the same problems, for a giant galactic conflict in a movie with (way too much) politics they really have nothing to say and aren't explored at all in a vaguely interesting way despite the groundwork potentially being there.

Arbite posted:

Didn't he ask someone reputable to give that a try but they refused, saying something like 'Nonono, it should be entirely your vision, it's not that I don't want the associated grief.'

Arbite posted:

Didn't he ask someone reputable to give that a try but they refused, saying something like 'Nonono, it should be entirely your vision, it's not that I don't want the associated grief.'

No Mods No Masters posted:

You have to remember the zoomers have watched 100s of hours of cartoons that they feel backfill a lot of these issues, and give the movies retroactive credit for this.

I'm not saying that's legitimate whatsoever, on several levels, but it is what's going on in their hosed up minds

khwarezm posted:

I am looking forward to kids in 20 years talking about how Rise of Skywalker was unfairly maligned because they really liked the Fallen Order games and the Mandalorian tv show by the same measure.

Gutcruncher posted:

The prequels really are an amazing example of George Lucas’s weaknesses as a writer, but strength as the “first draft writer”

Seriously, It’s not hard to picture a good version of that whole trilogy, it’s just that Lucas decided that he didn’t need anyone going over his script for a second or third draft.

It’s also why it sucks so bad that Disney just threw all his ideas in the garbage. Yes I’m sure what he handed them sucked, but I’m also positive that a more talented writer could’ve taken whatever ramblings were on the page and honed it into something good.

Cubone posted:

td! has ascended and is currently seeing things the rest of us don't (yet)
he was the only one to call out ahmed best for continuing to milk sympathy over jarjar and he is the only one with the balls to say (correctly) that michelle yeoh has kristen schaaled
aqua got norted, the duolingo owl is twerking on tiktok to bbl drizzy and zendaya is meeshee. (affectionate)
*snorts a line of cum* joker hit the griddy. play my loving music

Jose Oquendo posted:

im so tired of all this blade running. I'm getting old and tired, when are we going to get some blade walking.

counterfeitsaint posted:

The prequels are not about anything.

Naming your generically evil, vaguely racist villains the Trade Federation does not make your movie a criticism of capitalism.

Featuring goofy comically inept robots to get slaughtered by the hundreds does not make your movie about AI.

Having characters visit a planet with slavery where they say "Wow, slavery huh? That's too bad. Ok BYEEEEEE" does not make your movie about slavery.

Sometimes you just have an overgrown manchild with a blank check who wants to sell a few billions of dollars worth of toys.

No Mods No Masters posted:

You have to remember the zoomers have watched 100s of hours of cartoons that they feel backfill a lot of these issues, and give the movies retroactive credit for this.

I'm not saying that's legitimate whatsoever, on several levels, but it is what's going on in their hosed up minds

Cubone posted:

td! has ascended and is currently seeing things the rest of us don't (yet)
he was the only one to call out ahmed best for continuing to milk sympathy over jarjar and he is the only one with the balls to say (correctly) that michelle yeoh has kristen schaaled
aqua got norted, the duolingo owl is twerking on tiktok to bbl drizzy and zendaya is meeshee. (affectionate)
*snorts a line of cum* joker hit the griddy. play my loving music

colonelwest posted:

Yeah Lucas at best has some vague attempts at a themes and ideas, but not a single one of them is developed enough to argue that the prequels are really about anything. The closest they come is in RotJ with some passing War on Terror allusions and that George Bush quote that everyone creams their pants over. Even that is generously just a milk-toast parroting of some very basic liberal talking points from the time, and it’s nested within a ton of pointless nonsense.

I don’t think Lucas knows enough or even cares enough about politics to really say anything beyond the surface level. He absolutely flubbed the whole setup for the Clone Wars by making the Confederates the most generic bad guys possible, is basically fine with slavery on Tatooine; and he didn’t think anything was wrong with making the Jedi into a self-serving ineffectual bureaucracy of space wizards deeply enmeshed in a corrupt government, and eager to dive headfirst into a galactic civil war with extremely dubious origins. There’s a possible version of the Prequels that is a smart criticism/deconstruction of the above, but it’s not the one we got. Lucas was driven by weird things he wanted in the story for their own sake or whatever would sell the most toys.

Mega64 posted:

Also I just realized what "Jay" rhymes with.

Mega64 posted:

Also I just realized what "Jay" rhymes with.

No Mods No Masters posted:

Boomers: Watch 7 seasons of some ugly dipshit Star Trek, they will completely flesh out all the ideas the prequel series merely introduced
Also boomers: Here is an insane convoluted list for you to follow that skips the 80% of the episodes that are terrible

Mega64 posted:

That DICK! posted:

my thinking was that michelle yeoh's been in a lot of stuff lately, mostly sci fi action things. it reminded me when kristen schaal started showing up in all the comedy shows probably because producers said hey, lets just get someone wacky,. "lets get someone wacky". i like kristen schaal and its normalized by now i feel but it was a real glut at a time. i think that's happening with michelle yeoh in a sense. but maybe not really, i'm dumb. no podcast told me this, i am suggesting no greater conspiracy, in another world this would simply be an idle observation by a fool. but thanks to that big old orange cheeto bastard, ive given my friend postnoveau cause to live in fear.

SeenYourPoopypants posted:

Its 1995 actually. Kiss from a Rose from the Batman Forever soundtrack plays nonstop on the radio as you sip on your kiwiberry ruckus fruitopia and randomly scream MORTAL KOMBAT!

starkebn posted:

Michelle Yeoh has been in action movies her entire career

priznat posted:

Michelle Yeoh jumped a motorbike onto a train for real so she can do whatever the gently caress she wants

That DICK! posted:

like, am i having to debate that michelle yeoh is in more starring roles lately? is that your dumb rear end point? cause she is. i like her. its fine.

KakerMix posted:

Oh nooooo