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Guest2553 posted:I'm not a law talking guy but as an idiot on the internet that probably has more in common with a rando jurist, I don't see how it shreds the prosecution. Would like to know more though. The whole point of attacking a witness's credibility is just to persuade the jury not to trust anything they say, so if it's not working for the layman it means nothing. There's no legal gotcha here, it's just about making him look like a liar.
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Clarste posted:The whole point of attacking a witness's credibility is just to persuade the jury not to trust anything they say, so if it's not working for the layman it means nothing. There's no legal gotcha here, it's just about making him look like a liar. It is a fairly hard sell from 'aha! You were wrong about the details of this one call as I'm yelling at you in a courtroom' to 'please ignore the audio recordings of my client discussing the payment arrangements he claims didn't happen' This case, like most of the others, is chud on the jury nullification or bust, basically.
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They've also laid out a chain of good evidence corroborating Cohen's testimony. His other lies aren't as devastating when you consider that in the main part, he's just confirming what the state already pieced together.
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Caros posted:It is a fairly hard sell from 'aha! You were wrong about the details of this one call as I'm yelling at you in a courtroom' to 'please ignore the audio recordings of my client discussing the payment arrangements he claims didn't happen' The defense opening statement was essentially “there’s no crime here. Nothing happened” so they are all in on Chud jurist hangs the jury or bust. They aren’t going for some kind of subtle defense.
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May 17, 2024 01:28
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I'm pretty sure this country's gonna shake off Trump like Germany did Hitler: making it very clear to the world twenty years from now that we hate creating him more than everyone else because they need to be assured we learned our loving lesson
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The Islamic Shock posted:I'm pretty sure this country's gonna shake off Trump like Germany did Hitler: making it very clear to the world twenty years from now that we hate creating him more than everyone else because they need to be assured we learned our loving lesson It's more likely that in 20 years people will be openly worshipping effigies of the man and he will be considered the only founding father who's opinons and beliefs are to be taken under consideration.
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May 17, 2024 01:39
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The Islamic Shock posted:I'm pretty sure this country's gonna shake off Trump like Germany did Hitler: making it very clear to the world twenty years from now that we hate creating him more than everyone else because they need to be assured we learned our loving lesson Hitler also shot himself in the head when it was clear he lost. No dramatic sense of martyrdom, just ended it. That might have helped a bit. Trump is a different animal from a different time and place, and Americans are uniquely adept at not even allowing themselves to have a guilty conscience in the first place to consider that there may BE a lesson to be learned. We whitewash the stains of our history. Look at the genocide of the Natives, the civil war, all of it. And we can justify anything we want by pointing at 9/11 or whatever else. Like I want it to be true but that is insanely optimistic when dealing with modern Americans imo
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George W Bush killed a million Iraqis and he's now remembered as an unfortunate but well intentioned family man who just got a little in over his head. He pals around with the Obamas at every opportunity. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Tenkaris posted:Like I want it to be true but that is insanely optimistic when dealing with modern Americans imo Optimism at least has the scent of rationality. It took us doing reeducation on Germans, executing their leaders and banning them from having a military, after years of brutal fascist rule over a land struggling to get through a war it eventually lost. The idea that Americans will have some kind of revelatory moment without it being forced on us at gunpoint isn’t even a fantasy, it’s something far beyond that. It’s the original use case for “incredible”. How does one look at the history of the biggest bully of the 20th and 21st centuries and think “they’re gonna feel so bad about all this” lol We’re literally the only nation to have used nukes in anger! And we get incredibly pissy about it if anyone says boo about it! We are an entire nation that acts like Trump, when it comes to our national identity. Shame isn’t in us, we’re winners, not lovely losers who ever feel bad about anything, for any reason. selec fucked around with this message at 02:06 on May 17, 2024 |
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FLIPADELPHIA posted:George W Bush killed a million Iraqis and he's now remembered as an unfortunate but well intentioned family man who just got a little in over his head. He pals around with the Obamas at every opportunity. Maybe that's how you remember him, and maybe you take your social cues from the Obamas, but please don't speak for the rest of the country.
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selec posted:Optimism at least has the scent of rationality. It took us doing reeducation on Germans, executing their leaders and banning them from having a military, after years of brutal fascist rule over a land struggling to get through a war it eventually lost.
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May 17, 2024 02:26
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Quality Raskin speech about Trump during Committee shenanigans. https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1791266575796048167
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BiggerBoat posted:Except he fucks over every single god damned person that does that. They all believe that they'll be the one that he takes a real shine to.
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May 17, 2024 02:31
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Discendo Vox posted:Maybe that's how you remember him, and maybe you take your social cues from the Obamas, but please don't speak for the rest of the country. https://edition.cnn.com/2018/01/22/politics/george-w-bush-favorable-poll/index.html From 2018. I swear there was a more recent one but Google isn't helping. quote:George W. Bush has turned his unpopularity upside down. It also would have been higher then but some Trump people started hating him more quote:Despite the climb overall, Republican disapproval of the former president has tripled from 7% to 21% since 2015.
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May 17, 2024 02:36
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Discendo Vox posted:Maybe that's how you remember him, and maybe you take your social cues from the Obamas, but please don't speak for the rest of the country. Maybe look at some recent polling instead of being unnecessarily aggressive for absolutely no reason.
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Captain Melo posted:Thats a lot of words to just say your brother is an idiot He ain't heavy, like a sack of hammers He's my brother Henrik Zetterberg posted:Sounds like Cohen got caught in a lie today about a phone call. He got shredded by the defense and it looks real bad. It was one small point made in a sea of weeks of incoherent defense ramblings; what the jury is likely to remember is that Blanche essentially lost his cool, which is never a good look for an officer of the court. Micheal Cohen on the other hand stayed calm, and maintained eye contact with the jury. CNN is not exactly inimical to Trump, and this article does not read like it was much of a defense point, let alone a Perry Mason moment. A rational defendant & counsel going through the past three weeks would be pretty uh, sober right about now. It is not going well when your best hope is jury nullification. PainterofCrap fucked around with this message at 03:29 on May 17, 2024 |
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May 17, 2024 03:21
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Henrik Zetterberg posted:Sounds like Cohen got caught in a lie today about a phone call. He got shredded by the defense and it looks real bad. If this really was the gotcha moment, I feel like the defense would have gotten to this before spending a full day and a half of cross on actual nothing
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FLIPADELPHIA posted:George W Bush killed a million Iraqis and he's now remembered as an unfortunate but well intentioned family man who just got a little in over his head. He pals around with the Obamas at every opportunity. There's no reason to believe this will happen with Trump; he had his shot to be a normal albeit Republican president in the brief moment he had standing there next to Obama, he's never going to have his image rehabilitated by liberals. And even then, Bush after leaving office basically kept his head down and is essentially retired from politics and the country went through the pandemic, of course people won't remember Bush all that negatively. Trump would be incapable of that.
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FLIPADELPHIA posted:George W Bush killed a million Iraqis and he's now remembered as an unfortunate but well intentioned family man who just got a little in over his head. He pals around with the Obamas at every opportunity. In a Pew survey taken last summer more Democrats ranked Reagan as the best president of the last 40 years than named Biden: 
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Yeah, its easy to just remember GWB as a vaguely ineffective President who says Howdy because he's been completely irrelevant for 16 years. Once people remember Iraq its easy to hate him.
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Holy poo poo, how are any Dems taking Reagan over HW? I mean HW loving sucks but Reagan over HW? What the gently caress, gently caress Reagan and gently caress this country. Again, they are both monsters. TGG fucked around with this message at 03:50 on May 17, 2024 |
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May 17, 2024 03:48
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TGG posted:Holy poo poo, how are any Dems taking Reagan over HW? I mean HW loving sucks but Reagan over HW? What the gently caress, gently caress Reagan and gently caress this country. Have you considered that being an absolute moron that can't remember more than 4 years ago, if that, is a trait that crosses party lines?
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TGG posted:Holy poo poo, how are any Dems taking Reagan over HW? I mean HW loving sucks but Reagan over HW? What the gently caress, gently caress Reagan and gently caress this country. Reminder that Reagan was like 40 years ago and he was absolutely revered as a deity while he was president. The fact that he's so low among Ds is more shocking.
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TGG posted:Holy poo poo, how are any Dems taking Reagan over HW? I mean HW loving sucks but Reagan over HW? What the gently caress, gently caress Reagan and gently caress this country. Reagan was canonized decades ago. Both Bushes have been forgotten Trump will be forgotten, too. Sure, there will be a tiny death cult, but no one will care
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Yeah I get it but it is just so sad, I got the tail end of Reagan as a kid and have solid memories of H.W. and the rest but the internet really does make people stupid  Also I don't see Trump being forgotten. He is some weird change for the worse in this country.
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TGG posted:Holy poo poo, how are any Dems taking Reagan over HW? I mean HW loving sucks but Reagan over HW? What the gently caress, gently caress Reagan and gently caress this country. a combination of people not being able to differentiate between bushes, reagan deification, and there was 12% unemployment leading into the 1992 elections.
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TGG posted:Also I don't see Trump being forgotten. He is some weird change for the worse in this country. I'm unironically certain I will live long enough to hear "trumpism" become a proper noun whose merits will be seriously debated in halls of power.
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StumblyWumbly posted:Yeah, its easy to just remember GWB as a vaguely ineffective President who says Howdy because he's been completely irrelevant for 16 years. Once people remember Iraq its easy to hate him. Also there were much openly poo poo people in the GWB whitehouse that I'm sure are still widely hated like Dick Cheney. Bush was a horrible president and did some atrocious things, but even at the time people liked to put a lot of the blame on others. And unlike trump most of the things he said were just straight up dumb not horribly racists and dumb (mostly I'm sure he said some racists poo poo now and again). Hell he even seemed okay on immigration and as didn't seem like a racist gently caress wit towards Mexicans. So while it's still stupid to think he was a good president or a good person, I think it's pretty easy to see why when people look back, particularly in comparison to the gently caress wits of the current republican party who aren't just greedy, but very loudly crazy and bigoted, and have false memories of how good he was really.
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You know maybe we too will look back on Trump fondly in 20 years when we elect mega Satan for president.
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WarpedLichen posted:You know maybe we too will look back on Trump fondly in 20 years when we elect mega Satan for president. Turns out the great soul harvesting really puts the Trump years in perspective
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TGG posted:Holy poo poo, how are any Dems taking Reagan over HW? I mean HW loving sucks but Reagan over HW? What the gently caress, gently caress Reagan and gently caress this country. Well..   Basically he was an actor and boomers and their parents loving loved him and probably at least tacitly agreed with how he hosed over the country because it would be someone else's problem and not good (white) families. Mercury_Storm fucked around with this message at 11:20 on May 17, 2024 |
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Also a lot of people were kids back when Reagan was in office, flat out didn't pay attention to any politics or anything until they were at least in their late teens or early 20's, on top of being normal willful idiots when it comes to politics. They're going to remember that time period of being a child when they were being taken care of by their parents as 'the good times' most likely so that'll influence things heavily. But yeah still mildly bewildering that so many D's have good opinion of him now.
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FLIPADELPHIA posted:Maybe look at some recent polling instead of being unnecessarily aggressive for absolutely no reason. Maybe look in the mirror about why you engage in these patterns of generalizing from completely uncited polling to elaborate narratives attached to the universe.
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Mercury_Storm posted:
He wasn't even a Silent, let alone a Boomer. He was born in 1911, an early member of the Greatest Generation.
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Charlz Guybon posted:He wasn't even a Silent, let alone a Boomer. He was born in 1911, an early member of the Greatest Generation. Additionally, he didn’t fight in ww2 because he had terrible eye sight. The only thing he wanted to do was be a pilot and that disqualified him. Instead of doing literally anything else to help the war effort, he stayed in California and made commercials for war bonds. That didn’t stop him from claiming he fought in world war 2 later on. After the war, audiences tended to want slightly darker, moodier movies and it killed his career. Nobody wanted to see a lanky, dopey dipshit. So he started naming names and doing corporate infomercials and was consumed by bitterness until he met a struggling little studio girl who knew how to put the sparkle back in his eye. As a counter example, strom thurmond put his already successful judicial career on hold and joined the army. At 39 he was the most athletic person at basic training. He was 42 years old when he landed a hang glider at Normandy during D-Day. He was just murdering Germans left and right and probably had the time of his life. He died after 9/11.
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Charlz Guybon posted:He wasn't even a Silent, let alone a Boomer. He was born in 1911, an early member of the Greatest Generation. Yeah I meant to say "boomers" but left off the s
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FizFashizzle posted:Additionally, he didn’t fight in ww2 because he had terrible eye sight. The only thing he wanted to do was be a pilot and that disqualified him. Instead of doing literally anything else to help the war effort, he stayed in California and made commercials for war bonds. That didn’t stop him from claiming he fought in world war 2 later on. No that's true, I saw him face to face with Hitler in The New Colossus.
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FizFashizzle posted:As a counter example, strom thurmond put his already successful judicial career on hold and joined the army. At 39 he was the most athletic person at basic training. He was 42 years old when he landed a hang glider at Normandy during D-Day. He was just murdering Germans left and right and probably had the time of his life. He died after 9/11. JFC lots of other people served in WWII.
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Discendo Vox posted:Maybe look in the mirror about why you engage in these patterns of generalizing from completely uncited polling to elaborate narratives attached to the universe. Are you going to completely ignore the poll posted above that shows him doubling his approval rate over the last few decades? Or do you want to keep creepily psychoanalyzing posters? Seems like there's a good choice and a bad choice there.
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Murgos posted:We don’t need to lionize one of the most avowed racists of the last century who excused his racial antagonism under the thinly veiled euphemism of uh, checks notes, states rights. no one is lionizing him. I'm pointing out Reagan threw a hissy fit because he couldn't be a pilot then lied about his service history later in life. I'm comparing him to someone who was 39, ten years older than Ronnie, exempt from the draft, already successful in politics and on his way to national renown, who joined the army anyway and served in the 82nd airborne. I deleted a joke about him fragging any black soldiers he caught walking alone because I thought it was tasteless, but I guess I should have left that in there just to make sure no one thought I was talking about what a great legislator he was.
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