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Det_no posted:Those look like a slightly modified sniper from TF2, sniper from Dota, phantom assassin and random buildings from Alyx. The heroes all top all look like lightly edited Dota ones too. Or it's all placeholder and mock up stuff and this game never should have been publicly heard of for months or years.
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Twitter's doing its best to drive itself into non-existence. Please aid them in that noble cause, and feel free to screenshot or rehost any content you want to share, as many (most?) non-twitter-denizens are unable to see that content.
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O gently caress is there a Deadlock remake coming??
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Serephina posted:Twitter's doing its best to drive itself into non-existence. Please aid them in that noble cause, and feel free to screenshot or rehost any content you want to share, as many (most?) non-twitter-denizens are unable to see that content. my bad     
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Have they considered, instead, making a game that people actually want?
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Oh I just realized that if you couldn't see the tweet i posted, you probably couldn't see the other tweet that got posted that started all this. It's all text so this should be easy.quote:Deadlock. Next Valve game. Previously known as Neon Prime, Citadel. Competitive third person hero-based shooter. 6 vs 6 battling on huge map with 4 lanes. Usable abilities and items. Tower defense mechanics. Fantasy setting mixed with steampunk. Magicians, weird creatures and robots. Fast travel using floating rails, similar to Bioshock Infinite. I've said this a million times but 6v6 is the deal breaker for me. 12v12 is the bare starving minimum for a shooter. 127 v 127 is the goal all should strive for. Whitenoise Poster fucked around with this message at 08:17 on May 17, 2024 |
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There might actually be a decent market for "Overwatch, but fresh and less poo poo" to be honest.
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Whitenoise Poster posted:Oh I just realized that if you couldn't see the tweet i posted, you probably couldn't see the other tweet that got posted that started all this. It's all text so this should be easy. Nah, it's 666 v 666 v 666. Satan and Planetside 2 can't both be wrong.
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Whitenoise Poster posted:I've said this a million times but 6v6 is the deal breaker for me. 12v12 is the bare starving minimum for a shooter. 127 v 127 is the goal all should strive for. Vaguely related, I wish more coop games were 6-player instead of 4. Locked out of so many games because I have 2 too many friends  Is 4 popular because it is easier to balance. Server load? Network load? A holdover from local console coop with split screen? Whatever the reason, it sucks.
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The Lone Badger posted:Have they considered, instead, making a game that people actually want? Remember Artifact?
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I'm the target audience for "6v6 Overwatch but less poo poo."
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It also looks like it's third person shooter instead of a real shooter so it's more Smite than Overwatch.
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Jack Trades posted:I'm the target audience for "6v6 Overwatch but less poo poo." Technically so am I, but I'm concerned that the concept also seems to be "Overwatch but let's include the worst aspects of MOBAs"
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Let the Campo Santo team do something you cowards.
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Whitenoise Poster posted:Bros Overwatch 2 is looking like hot garbage what happened to the guys who made team fortress 2. Is making good games lostech now? you want good looking assets you need to hire thousands of people (e.g. if you aim for ubisoft quality and quantity) if you are cool with Firewatch quality you need to hire less people, so that's what everyone does
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The 7th Guest posted:today's news: I played Core Keeper EA with a friend and after that continued on the next area update on my own, it's a very fun craft/terraria kinda game. Can't wait to pick it up again after 1.0.
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drat Dirty Ape posted:Endless Legend is free on Steam right now. Nice, thank you! Was looking at it recently but didn't want to spend the money, even on sale
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Jack Trades posted:I'm the target audience for "6v6 Overwatch but less poo poo." I could be misremembering, but I'm pretty certain Overwatch is 6v6 already? Like I distinctly remember the forced team comp after a while was 2 tank 2 dps 2 healer after a while into its life
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Artelier posted:I could be misremembering, but I'm pretty certain Overwatch is 6v6 already? Like I distinctly remember the forced team comp after a while was 2 tank 2 dps 2 healer after a while into its life They changed it to 5v5 when they went F2P because they couldn't figure out how to make people play Tank and poor DPS players were having to wait in queue for too long. That change hosed up the whole game.
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May 17, 2024 10:44
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repiv posted:chat is this real maybe it's a ruse like how 'hot dog' was supposed to be left 4 dead 3 lol who am I kidding, valve wants more whales since they can't keep milking the cs crowd forever
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why does valve want more whales? they have steam. they want the prestige of being the top dog in things they’re interested in, and their interests as a company fluctuates wildly based on what they can convince eachother to work on. if this is real it’s because they’re annoyed at overwatch and want to make their own with blackjack and hookers
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Whitenoise Poster posted:It also looks like it's third person shooter instead of a real shooter so it's more Smite than Overwatch. A better Smite with TF2/Overwatch elements would be pretty cool.
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Perestroika posted:“but the worst aspects of MOBAs" The playerbase?
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HerpicleOmnicron5 posted:why does valve want more whales? they have steam. they want the prestige of being the top dog in things they’re interested in, and their interests as a company fluctuates wildly based on what they can convince eachother to work on. if this is real it’s because they’re annoyed at overwatch and want to make their own with blackjack and hookers As far as I recall, a key factor is that valve devs' salary and bonuses depend on a peer review system, which in turn depends on what they've worked on. So if Steam as a whole makes $infinity, that doesn't really do anything for the devs. But if they personally worked on a game that makes $infinity, that can in turn work out to a substantial payday. That often means that Valve development will tend to gravitate towards stuff that is perceived to be a relatively safe bet with lots of profit potential, and away from things that are more experimental or uncertain.
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halokiller posted:maybe it's a ruse like how 'hot dog' was supposed to be left 4 dead 3 That's silly, CS/DOTA is probably a rounding error compared to what they make off selling games.
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HerpicleOmnicron5 posted:why does valve want more whales? they have steam. they want the prestige of being the top dog in things they’re interested in, and their interests as a company fluctuates wildly based on what they can convince eachother to work on. if this is real it’s because they’re annoyed at overwatch and want to make their own with blackjack and hookers Gabe found out that collecting yachts if more expensive than knives.
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HerpicleOmnicron5 posted:why does valve want more whales? they have steam. they want the prestige of being the top dog in things they’re interested in, and their interests as a company fluctuates wildly based on what they can convince eachother to work on. if this is real it’s because they’re annoyed at overwatch and want to make their own with blackjack and hookers yeah that's why they almost exclusively make games that can be used as a vehicle for lootboxes now, they're not interested in making more money, just being the best at slinging lootboxes for entirely non-financial reasons
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Sab669 posted:That's silly, CS/DOTA is probably a rounding error compared to what they make off selling games. And even selling games is their 'current' thing. They've spent the last 10 years workout out how to get into hardware and now the Steam Deck is miles ahead of any of the competition. Valve doesn't want to be a games developer or even a simple publisher, they absolutely want to elbow aside Sony Entertainment and XBOX. Alchenar fucked around with this message at 12:13 on May 17, 2024 |
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Alchenar posted:Valve doesn't want to be a games developer or even a simple publisher, they absolutely want to elbow aside Sony Entertainment and XBOX. I don't know about that. They seem to fairly exclusively focused filling the gaps in the market that aren't already occupied by any serious competitors.
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repiv posted:yeah that's why they almost exclusively make games that can be used as a vehicle for lootboxes now, they're not interested in making more money, just being the best at slinging lootboxes for entirely non-financial reasons the sad truth is that lootbox poo poo, as well as being money printers, are the best way to keep masses of people in your game. we’re mostly stubborn olds. don’t get me wrong valve staff also chases metrics in order to keep jobs or achieve bonuses, not for a push to the company’s bottom line, but they also just want their forever game to be the top forever game in a genre and for that you need all that bullshit.
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HerpicleOmnicron5 posted:the sad truth is that lootbox poo poo, as well as being money printers, are the best way to keep masses of people in your game. we’re mostly stubborn olds. don’t get me wrong valve staff also chases metrics in order to keep jobs or achieve bonuses, not for a push to the company’s bottom line, but they also just want their forever game to be the top forever game in a genre and for that you need all that bullshit. them chasing metrics and creating incentives for gaming the system has produced the funny situation where a big chunk of their games "players" are actually bots trying to farm free item drops to sell on the market for 3 cents https://x.com/gabefollower/status/1787144419453374653
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Saoshyant posted:A better Smite with TF2/Overwatch elements would be pretty cool. So Paladins?
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to be clear i aint defending valve i think they're a poo poo company, i just think they're poo poo in prideful ways that enable greed rather than purely greedy ways
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Jack Trades posted:I don't know about that. They seem to fairly exclusively focused filling the gaps in the market that aren't already occupied by any serious competitors. Yea, they're clearly happy just doing their own thing. Steam Controller VR Big Picture Mode I'm sure there are plenty of other things they've dipped their toes in that I can't think of it. HerpicleOmnicron5 posted:the sad truth is that lootbox poo poo, as well as being money printers, are the best way to keep masses of people in your game. we’re mostly stubborn olds. don’t get me wrong valve staff also chases metrics in order to keep jobs or achieve bonuses, not for a push to the company’s bottom line, but they also just want their forever game to be the top forever game in a genre and for that you need all that bullshit. Sadly true. DOTA recently had an update in April that was literally just a new way to earn/buy hats and they hit a peak player count the game hasn't seen in a good while: 
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is Ability Draft still a thing in Dota? most fun I had with the game aver, and then some patch broke it and I left
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Valve are just a gaming company that doesn't really make games. Maybe you're already playing CS or DOTA or can enjoy it when they do drop something new, but broadly speaking I don't think you can really look at Valve and have any expectations for a release cadence as a developer or publisher of new games. I know we all want their third instalment of.. numerous different IP, but as a bigger picture view I'm totally fine with their contributions to my gaming experience via Steam, the Deck and anything else they fancy tinkering with. It's not like other mega gaming corporations where the other side of not getting new games is generally loving nothing.
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Bumhead posted:It's not like other mega gaming corporations where the other side of not getting new games is generally loving nothing. Yea I've long accepted that Valve really hardly is a game development studio anymore. And that's a good point, at least they're doing 'big picture stuff' in the gaming space as a whole rather than re-re-re-releasing one big hit from 13 years ago And yea, Ability Draft is still a thing though I don't know how many people play it so I'm not sure what queue times are like for it
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They released a game four years ago. Considering their size and how games are developed today that’s a perfectly normal interval between new games. And that’s lot even considering their ongoing support of their live projects.
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6v6 makes winning too reliant on single players and forces teamwork / communication. If you get one person that wants to gently caress around in tf2 in a 12v12 and try to kill people by punching them, that's fine because there are 11 other players doing stuff. In 6v6 they're a Problem and you will lose. It discourages more casual play or goofing off and makes you treat it like an esport or you lose unless the other team is rear end
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Grapplejack posted:6v6 makes winning too reliant on single players and forces teamwork / communication. If you get one person that wants to gently caress around in tf2 in a 12v12 and try to kill people by punching them, that's fine because there are 11 other players doing stuff. In 6v6 they're a Problem and you will lose. It discourages more casual play or goofing off and makes you treat it like an esport or you lose unless the other team is rear end That's not an issue because those players will lose MMR and you will gain it, provided you're not as bad when you're trying to win as when they're trying to lose, separating you from them completely.
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