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Aoi posted:Shogunate: Show Gone? Not.
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Shogun - Show Gun 2 Come Back
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May 17, 2024 05:17
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Mordja posted:The show technically did mention that he had more (older, I think) sons, they just never appeared or did anything in the show. Yeah I just think it's funny they invested so much time in one particular son and then, theoretically, they'll have to say "oh by the way Toranaga steps down and makes his son shogun more less immediately" and it's some guy we haven't seen at all really. That is, of course, assuming they follow history at all.
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May 17, 2024 06:16
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Amazing show, not sure how I feel about a second series. I’ll watch it obviously, and worst comes to worst I can separate the glorious first season from the rest of they’re a pair of shitboxes. I was jaw-to-the-floor when Mariko exploded, Blackthorn really grew on me, Torenaga is COOLLLD. Actually with Torenaga, I think the scene of him as the boy warlord was great foreshadowing. Like yes, obviously the guy who was taking heads at 12 is a great tactician and warlord, but also an absolutely brutal, cold motherfucker of a man. Also impressive they turned the perpetrator of the boiling alive scene into one of the most endearing characters, the actor did an amazing job there. Actually the entire cast were incredible - really one of those shows that reminds you why great actors are so highly prized. Second to last ep potentially one of the best single episodes of telly I’ve ever seen too.
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May 18, 2024 10:59
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I remain dumbfounded that Anna Sawai had this kind of performance in her. If anyone was unfortunate enough to watch Monarch Legacy of Monsters she was abysmal.
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May 18, 2024 13:37
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Remap Radio has a subscriber-only critical discussion of the show that was good to listen to. Biggest takeaway was the discussion about the use of language, what kind of person was Toranaga, and how Blackthorne slowly realizes the value life and death in their culture. https://remapradio.com/podcasts/episodes/my-turn-shogun/
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May 18, 2024 17:33
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Nybble posted:Remap Radio has a subscriber-only critical discussion of the show that was good to listen to. Biggest takeaway was the discussion about the use of language, what kind of person was Toranaga, and how Blackthorne slowly realizes the value life and death in their culture. drat I've just been sticking to their free stuff so far but I might have to sub for that.
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May 18, 2024 17:40
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kiimo posted:I remain dumbfounded that Anna Sawai had this kind of performance in her. If anyone was unfortunate enough to watch Monarch Legacy of Monsters she was abysmal. i dont think anyone could have made that role work, its peak jj abrams ‘run then scream then cry’ glass case of emotions modern ‘narrative’
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May 18, 2024 20:26
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Eau de MacGowan posted:i dont think anyone could have made that role work, its peak jj abrams ‘run then scream then cry’ glass case of emotions modern ‘narrative’ always a bad sign when a show has more credited producers than recurring cast
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May 18, 2024 22:31
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kiimo posted:I remain dumbfounded that Anna Sawai had this kind of performance in her. If anyone was unfortunate enough to watch Monarch Legacy of Monsters she was abysmal. Well thats good because it means if you hand her good writing and direction she can act, that monarch show is absolute trash
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May 19, 2024 01:18
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Yeah, Monarch loving sucked and I don't blame any of the actors for it. I'm real glad Shogun was so soon after it so that people could actually see Anna Sawai can actually act when given something to get her teeth into.
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May 19, 2024 01:20
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It was definitely an adjustment going from Monarch to Shogun. Not so much because of Anna Sawai's ability to act, just the stark contrast between the characters she plays.
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May 20, 2024 10:11
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You guys got me to watch the first few episodes of Monarch to see what all the anti-hype is about. And it's...fine? Anna Sawai is...not that bad? Nothing spectacular though. Then again, I probably have her performance in Shogun tilting my bias a bit.
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May 20, 2024 13:26
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Doing a rewatch with friends and man, those middle episodes I didn't like as much on my first viewing are way better when you know how everything will play out.
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May 20, 2024 14:05
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Nice Tuckpointing! posted:You guys got me to watch the first few episodes of Monarch to see what all the anti-hype is about. And it's...fine? Anna Sawai is...not that bad? Nothing spectacular though. it’s a fine monster flick, it’s not prestige tv, but from the midpoint onwards they give sawai literally no worthwhile material outside of a couple flashback scenes.
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May 20, 2024 14:19
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Nice Tuckpointing! posted:You guys got me to watch the first few episodes of Monarch to see what all the anti-hype is about. And it's...fine? Anna Sawai is...not that bad? Nothing spectacular though. Yeah it underutilizes her is about the worst that can be said about it. The consensus in this thread that it's irredeemable trash is a bit much imo, it's very watchable trash about giant monsters and the hollow earth with a scenery chewing, old as hell Kurt Russell. It's dumb fun just very different than Shogun.
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May 20, 2024 14:57
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Nybble posted:Shogun - Show Gun 2 Come Back Sho Gun: Maverick
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May 20, 2024 15:47
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I would like an episode of Mariko making the trip to London, learning English on the voyage and seeing Romeo and Juliette on stage
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May 20, 2024 16:36
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I can already see the YouTube reactors confused as to why the Italian characters in the play are speaking English.
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May 20, 2024 16:39
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Blackthorn: you see the Montagues and the Capulets were two houses in Verona and they had a blood feud going back a ways and young Romeo falls in love with Juliette who's from the other family and so she's asking "why are you a Montague and me a Capulet" here because she's sad that their families hate each other so much and you got the different members of the family actually swordfighting in the streets, but nobody's supposed to be swordfighting because that would break the peace and they'd get in trouble with the lord Mariko: Anjin-sama is talking about Italians.
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May 20, 2024 16:47
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Did anyone else half-expect Yabushige to throw himself from the cliff? He’d tried to negotiate another method and Toranaga was having none of it, but Toranaga couldn’t have prevented a running leap. This would have been the inversion of his fall down the cliff at the very beginning of the show and acted as a bookend. I’m not saying that it would have been a better way to do things, but I did wonder if that’s where the writers were going to take it.
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Jun 5, 2024 08:49
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I assumed if they were gonna continue the show they'd do Sekigahara as a movie. Like we know the outcome already but you could same thing about the series as a whole given that it's based on actual history and even if you aren't aware of that history the title of the show is 'Shogun'
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Jun 5, 2024 09:37
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Platystemon posted:Did anyone else half-expect Yabushige to throw himself from the cliff? Clavell taught me that that would be bad karma, neh? I do like the grace note they gave Yabu when he decides to Leroy Jenkins the blade into the gut.
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Jun 5, 2024 10:50
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Podcast episode on the SFX guy behind Shogun: https://theankler.com/p/shoguns-vfx-pro-knows-exactly-howquote:“Everything had to be grounded in reality,” Cliett says, including the show’s brutal violence. “When the guys got ripped apart by the chain-shot cannons [in episode four], we did multiple physics simulations on what would happen when you fired two cannonballs tied together with three feet of chain, and ran that through a human body at almost the speed of sound. So what happens there in that scene is actually what would happen.” Ouch. But the goal is for his painstaking work to be “invisible,” Cliett adds. “The last thing I want is for the audience to be thinking about the fact that they're watching a visual effect.”
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Jun 6, 2024 10:06
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but a cannon in 1600 wouldn't be firing anywhere near the speed of sound, especially at 100 yards distance with chainshot spinning wildly to decelerate the balls!!! they were close range weapons made to be fired at massive targets like ships, not sniping uppity samurai on horses!!! my immersion!!! scene ruled, but i still don't buy it as realistic
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Jun 6, 2024 21:07
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Any cannon scene inspired by the opening of Master and Commander gets a pass in my book.
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Jun 7, 2024 04:33
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Just got done rewatching Master and Commander as it happens and folks, it's just as good 20 years later
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Jun 7, 2024 05:09
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Eason the Fifth posted:Just got done rewatching Master and Commander as it happens and folks, it's just as good 20 years later Still weird that that movie never got any kind of sequel.
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Jun 7, 2024 05:23
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I'm actually not sure if the Shogun cannon scene was inspired by the Master and Commander scene, but the awesome similarities are there: the silent flash through the fog/mist; the zweeeeeewwwwww! of the projectile; the brutal sudden carnage; Omi smiling mischievously as the Acheron has the weather gauge...
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Jun 7, 2024 05:42
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nine-gear crow posted:Still weird that that movie never got any kind of sequel. It would take a billion dollars to make it but the one where the Surprise and a convoy of Indiamen fight off a French 3rd rate would be the best movie ever made
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Jun 7, 2024 09:17
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Eason the Fifth posted:Just got done rewatching Master and Commander as it happens and folks, it's just as good 20 years later
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Jun 7, 2024 12:31
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Alhazred posted:It's the daddiest dad movie ever made. "The lesser of two weevils" joke is pure concentrated dad.
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Jun 7, 2024 13:40
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That time dad sawed my arm off without anesthetic. Takes me back.
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Jun 7, 2024 13:44
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nine-gear crow posted:Still weird that that movie never got any kind of sequel. Sounds like there are plans for a prequel, but nothing taking off yet. I'd be okay with one so long as it kept the vibe of the original movie, which still always makes me feel like I fell through a time-warp right into the Napoleonic Wars. Peter Weir knew that the attention to detail is what made the books so special and I'm still amazed at how well he brought all of it to the screen. My only hesitation with the idea is that a prequel wouldn't have Paul Bettany, who was an absolutely perfect Maturin.
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Jun 7, 2024 14:04
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Still waiting for my Edge of Tomorrow sequel
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Jun 7, 2024 14:06
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Eason the Fifth posted:Sounds like there are plans for a prequel, but nothing taking off yet. I'd be okay with one so long as it kept the vibe of the original movie, which still always makes me feel like I fell through a time-warp right into the Napoleonic Wars. Peter Weir knew that the attention to detail is what made the books so special and I'm still amazed at how well he brought all of it to the screen. I've read only the first two books, and saw the movie first, but I always picture Bettany as Maturin despite how gangly and lanky O'Brien tries to describe him. He just became that character so well. Though, speaking of dad movies, I gifted by dad the first three books in the series maybe 15 years ago. A year or so later, with no word from him about the books, mom talks to me on the phone, "You know those sailing books you gave dad? Yeah, um, how many of those are there in the series?" About 20, I said. "I think he's read them all," she responded. 
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Jun 7, 2024 14:22
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nine-gear crow posted:Still weird that that movie never got any kind of sequel. If it had been the only tall ship movie that year, it might have done, but Pirates came out the same year and made a shitload more money. In retrospect I would have loved it to happen but it was never gonna happen. I do think it's weird it hasn't been redeveloped on something like a Volume set yet though. Heck, that'd be a really good use case for the Volume. Having to pack all your actors into one relatively small area isn't weird when it's literally the deck of a small ship. Phy fucked around with this message at 14:33 on Jun 7, 2024 |
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Jun 7, 2024 14:28
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If it's any consolation, I was working as a movie theater projectionist when Master and Commander came out and I built up one of the reels. It stayed at our multiplex for four months, which is Star Wars-level of longevity. Can't explain it. But it was nice to watch a scene or two everyday from the projection booth for that time.
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Jun 7, 2024 14:35
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if anything Shogun's success proves that the world is ready for a prestige TV adaptation of the Aubrey-Maturin novels. we're yearning for weird guys who love their boat
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Blackthorne: "I am most concerned about the prospect of dressing as a bear to cross the Pyrenees. I would surmise that the average Frenchman would see~ that I am not actually a bear traipsing like a village trollop through the countryside but indeed just a man hoping to escape capture on my way to the safety of Spain by wearing a flimsy disguise." Mariko: "Anjin does not care for bears."
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