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Delsaber
Oct 1, 2013

This may or may not be correct.

Sash! posted:

The Mayans were wiped out in World War III, obviously.

Unfortunately the Mayans didn't think to transform into space flutes and leave the planet like the Inca.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yeAaYINn36Q&t=164s

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Pick
Jul 19, 2009
Nap Ghost

John Wick of Dogs
Mar 4, 2017

A real hellraiser



You get em Jean Luc

Blade_of_tyshalle
Jul 12, 2009

If you think that, along the way, you're not going to fail... you're blind.

There's no one I've ever met, no matter how successful they are, who hasn't said they had their failures along the way.

10pm?! Who the Christ in those days was still awake? All the adults would have gone to bed hours before. [Like 6+ hours]

Epicurius
Apr 10, 2010
College Slice

Blade_of_tyshalle posted:

10pm?! Who the Christ in those days was still awake? All the adults would have gone to bed hours before. [Like 6+ hours]

The 1960s being known for early bedtimes?

Drone
Aug 22, 2003

Incredible machine
:smug:



AlBorlantern Corps posted:

You get em Jean Luc

John Luck Pickard.

Finster Dexter
Oct 20, 2014

Beyond is Finster's mad vision of Earth transformed.

jeeves posted:

I always wonder how quickly those stubborn space Indians Native Americans got wiped out by the Cardassians after they accepted their governance.

Especially since they lost their best weed dude because he was secretly the Traveler.

According to VOY letters from home they got turbo destroyed by the Dominion, which I honestly don't remember if DS9 ever actually mentions.

e: holy poo poo that was a way older post than I thought... sorry about that

Drone
Aug 22, 2003

Incredible machine
:smug:



Finster Dexter posted:

I honestly don't remember if DS9 ever actually mentions.

I wanna say there's a throwaway line about it during the episode where Cardassia joins the Dominion (or maybe the one right after). iirc the Dominion wasted no time in sorting that poo poo out.

8one6
May 20, 2012

When in doubt, err on the side of Awesome!

It's in one of the letters Belana gets from that cross-galaxy communication thing.

Aoi
Sep 12, 2017

Perpetually a Pain.
I mean, the entire final Eddington episode is about how the Dominion killed absolutely every single Maquis member pretty much immediately upon absorbing Cardassia except for the tiny handful Eddington cons Sisko into rescuing.

FlamingLiberal
Jan 18, 2009

Would you like to play a game?



EimiYoshikawa posted:

I mean, the entire final Eddington episode is about how the Dominion killed absolutely every single Maquis member pretty much immediately upon absorbing Cardassia except for the tiny handful Eddington cons Sisko into rescuing.
I appreciated that the Dominion is like ‘we don’t have time for your dumb Maquis poo poo’ and took them all out in like a couple of days or whatever

Epicurius
Apr 10, 2010
College Slice

FlamingLiberal posted:

I appreciated that the Dominion is like ‘we don’t have time for your dumb Maquis poo poo’ and took them all out in like a couple of days or whatever

Babylon 5 did something similar. In some of the early episodes, a recurrent threat were Raiders, these pirates that attacked shipping, and that the heroes couldn't track down. Then the big bad guys show up, blow up the Raider base, and then it's "Well, we're done with that plot thread now."

Paradoxish
Dec 19, 2003

Will you stop going crazy in there?

FlamingLiberal posted:

I appreciated that the Dominion is like ‘we don’t have time for your dumb Maquis poo poo’ and took them all out in like a couple of days or whatever

I doubt very much that it was intentional on the part of the writers, but I like how this incidentally fleshes the Cardassians out too. They're an evil fascist society, but they also have pragmatic diplomatic goals so they weren't going to commit an atrocity like that under the nose of the Federation. The Dominion didn't care so they just went for it.

Taear
Nov 26, 2004

Ask me about the shitty opinions I have about Paradox games!

Paradoxish posted:

I doubt very much that it was intentional on the part of the writers, but I like how this incidentally fleshes the Cardassians out too. They're an evil fascist society, but they also have pragmatic diplomatic goals so they weren't going to commit an atrocity like that under the nose of the Federation. The Dominion didn't care so they just went for it.

The cardassians didn't want another war with the Federation and as poo poo as the Marquis was that definitely would have been one.

Farmer Crack-Ass
Jan 2, 2001

this is me posting irl

Blade_of_tyshalle posted:

10pm?! Who the Christ in those days was still awake? All the adults would have gone to bed hours before. [Like 6+ hours]

Are you saying people regularly went to bed at 4pm?

FlamingLiberal
Jan 18, 2009

Would you like to play a game?



Well also at the time the Cardassians joined the Dominion they were getting their asses kicked by the Klingons so they had bigger problems

Blade_of_tyshalle
Jul 12, 2009

If you think that, along the way, you're not going to fail... you're blind.

There's no one I've ever met, no matter how successful they are, who hasn't said they had their failures along the way.

Farmer Crack-rear end posted:

Are you saying people regularly went to bed at 4pm?

Are you saying they didn't?

Timeless Appeal
May 28, 2006
Here's an interesting mindset shift I've had with the show. Twelve years ago, I would watch Star Trek and laugh, "Man, they really missed the mark on how technology evolved."

Now, in the present, the technology actually has gone back to being reasonable. I can definitely understand in the context of United Earth being a society that brought itself back from the brink of collapse people going, "Yeah, no twitter and iphones this time."

Peacoffee
Feb 11, 2013


Blade_of_tyshalle posted:

Are you saying they didn't?

Not sure if you’re serious, but no.


The idea that the tech in Trek is the result of restraint based upon experience is an interesting one because of how many archaisms they hold onto are instead things they see value in now for a whole host of reasons. Kinda a jab in the eye of the idea that progress for progresses sake is the course of technology.

Peacoffee fucked around with this message at 23:50 on Mar 24, 2019

galenanorth
May 19, 2016

"Latent Image" (VOY S05E11) is the best Doctor episode I've seen so far. It was one of VOY's most thoughtful and saddest

galenanorth fucked around with this message at 00:13 on Mar 25, 2019

Farmer Crack-Ass
Jan 2, 2001

this is me posting irl

Blade_of_tyshalle posted:

Are you saying they didn't?

I think it's unlikely, but maybe you've got some interesting reading for me about American sleeping habits in the 20th century.

Powered Descent
Jul 13, 2008

We haven't had that spirit here since 1969.

Peacoffee posted:

Kinda a jab in the eye of the idea that progress for progresses sake is the course of technology.

Too soon.

(In the most recent episode of Discovery, a character literally gets jabbed in the eye by technology.)

Sash!
Mar 16, 2001


Blade_of_tyshalle posted:

10pm?! Who the Christ in those days was still awake? All the adults would have gone to bed hours before. [Like 6+ hours]

Most people.

Prime time has gone to 11 since the 40s. Gunsmoke, the absolute titan of 60s TV, came on at 10 pm Saturday night and was a ratings juggernaut.

Pick
Jul 19, 2009
Nap Ghost

Drone posted:

Yep, I've already read (and drafted a review of) the first one. It was... bad, but not nearly in the same way as the one I liveblogged here yesterday. Mostly just lots of barely-concealed slash fiction or just generally poorly-written, strangely-thought-out garbage.


it's legitimately sad that someone can take passages like this and think it's "gay" instead of reflecting on the profound authenticity of the bond they share



Winifred Madgers
Feb 12, 2002

Farmer Crack-rear end posted:

I think it's unlikely, but maybe you've got some interesting reading for me about American sleeping habits in the 20th century.

He's full of poo poo. My grandfather was an early to bed, early to rise kind of guy, and even he watched the evening news before going to bed.

loving 4 PM. Even in the dead of winter the sun hasn't set by then here, and you can't get much farther north in the continental US.

Blade_of_tyshalle
Jul 12, 2009

If you think that, along the way, you're not going to fail... you're blind.

There's no one I've ever met, no matter how successful they are, who hasn't said they had their failures along the way.

I really didn't expect people to be this invested in what was, I thought, a really obvious load of bullshit.

In the 60s, nobody slept. They couldn't. What if the Russkies attacked?!

Winifred Madgers
Feb 12, 2002

You can't ever tell on the internet.

Pixeltendo
Mar 2, 2012


So I've just had my first taste of a Star Trek series, and I thought I would post my thoughts about it here.

A friend of mine introduced me to a few episodes from Season 1 of Star Trek TNG and I was pretty interested since it was quite cheesy. Netflix had the whole series up so I might as well binge watch it for the next month or so.

I thought it was great! The cast they chose was excellent, everyone worked well together, and most of the plots were fairly entertaining.
My favorite episodes were always the ones regarding some space-time continuum screw up, or some very strange location or being (such as the Casino purgatory episode, or anything to do with Q.) Some episodes were definitely boring through, my eyes kind of glazed over anytime the episode was about Romulans or the holodeck.

Some other bits on my thoughts of the show.

-Troi's Mother and Q are probably my favorite characters of the lot, I originally didn't like Lxwana when she was first introduced, but overtime I started to enjoy episodes she appeared in, Half a life probably being one of my favorite episodes starring her. Q however was a delight start to finished.
-Chief O Brian needed more screen time
-I thought worst episode was probably star child (the one where Troi gives birth to a space kid) something about it just didn't sit right with me.
-The best episode however...hard to nail down, I'd nominate either All good things, Inner light, Cause and effect or The Measure of a Man as any of the top ones.
-In the episode where Alexander and Lxwana meet, when Alexander gives that one line "The HIGHER...the FEWER" to a bickering couple I just burst out laughing, that's probably the most kid thing I ever saw on the show.
-The Future's imperfection Alien is probably the worst costume creature I've ever seen on the show.
-I could really tell they were running of ideas by Season 7, a lot of the episodes were just one of the major characters but a SHOCKING REVELATION I suppose it was a good idea to end the show here then continue it.

Overall I had a great time watching the show, I might check out Deep Space 9 but i'll probably hold it off for a bit.
I also have some questions that left me a bit puzzled too.

-I've seen around a bit that The Pegasus was one of the worst episodes of the show, why was that? I found it boring at best, was it because of Rikers involvement with the corrupt captain?
-Did Chief O Brian get removed late in the show because of his involvement in DS9? They didn't really say anything about him leaving the Enterprise so I was a bit confused when he stopped showing up.
-That was totally Lurch who played Lxwana's servant wasn't it?

lol but
Feb 24, 2007

body is a dinosaur
Slippery Tilde

Pixeltendo posted:

-That was totally Lurch who played Lxwana's servant wasn't it?

yes, it totally was

Pick
Jul 19, 2009
Nap Ghost

lol but seriously I posted:

yes, it totally was

McSpanky
Jan 16, 2005






lol but seriously I posted:

yes, it totally was

*rings dinner bell*

Winifred Madgers
Feb 12, 2002

As far as The Pegasus goes, it's not the TNG episode people dislike (as far as I'm aware) but how the final episode of Enterprise tied into it.

After The War
Apr 12, 2005

to all of my Architects
let me be traitor
While Mr. Homm was indeed Movie Lurch, OG Lurch Ted Cassidy was in the TOS episode "What Are Little Girls Made Of." :eng101:

8one6
May 20, 2012

When in doubt, err on the side of Awesome!

Pixeltendo posted:

...
-Chief O Brian needed more screen time
...

I have fantastic news: He's a main character on Deep Space 9.
DS9 is also the best Trek series because the characters are fantastic. If you haven't started watching that yet I'd recommend it.

Big Mean Jerk
Jan 27, 2009

Well, of course I know him.
He's me.

Pixeltendo posted:

my eyes kind of glazed over anytime the episode was about Romulans or the holodeck.
This is fair, though the Romulans do get slightly better as TNG goes along and they're legit interesting in late DS9.

quote:

-Chief O Brian needed more screen time
Watch DS9!

quote:

-The Future's imperfection Alien is probably the worst costume creature I've ever seen on the show.
Oh yeah, it's like a half step above a generic grey alien halloween costume. It would have looked bad on TOS.

quote:

-I've seen around a bit that The Pegasus was one of the worst episodes of the show, why was that? I found it boring at best, was it because of Rikers involvement with the corrupt captain?
The people running the franchise in 2005 thought it would be a great idea to center Enterprise's series finale around Riker using the holodeck to decide what to do during The Pegasus, which means a) you have big fat Jonathan Frakes lumbering around the Enterprise sets looking ridiculous and b) manages to make the Enterprise cast background characters in their own finale. It's awful.

quote:

-Did Chief O Brian get removed late in the show because of his involvement in DS9? They didn't really say anything about him leaving the Enterprise so I was a bit confused when he stopped showing up.
Yeah, pretty much. The episode The Wounded is pretty much a primer for both O'Brien and the Federation-Cardassian relationship leading into DS9.

Astroman
Apr 8, 2001


Pixeltendo posted:

-I could really tell they were running of ideas by Season 7, a lot of the episodes were just one of the major characters but a SHOCKING REVELATION I suppose it was a good idea to end the show here then continue it.

Wait til you see what was in store for Season 8...

The Bloop
Jul 5, 2004

by Fluffdaddy
Watch DS9 and livepost about it frequently

Taear
Nov 26, 2004

Ask me about the shitty opinions I have about Paradox games!

Pixeltendo posted:

-I thought worst episode was probably star child (the one where Troi gives birth to a space kid) something about it just didn't sit right with me.

I've just re-watched The Child. It's a script recycled from The Original Series - they were going to bring the show back and that script was written for it, they used it because there was a writer's strike.
It just kinda...goes nowhere. The Child turns up, emits a weird radiation and just leaves with no proper reason. What in theory is the main story just completely ends and nothing is changed because of it. Such a strange episode, even worse to me than Code of Honour or Justice because at least they've got a point and use that point.

Aoi
Sep 12, 2017

Perpetually a Pain.
Livepost for us. Feed us what Jeb! held back.

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Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.
I'd say the show loved to get really weird about Troi's vagina but then again I think the candle gently caress ghost episode was Crusher?

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