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Euphoriaphone posted:Remember how Obama appointing a Republican to head the FBI came around to bite the Democrats in the rear end, and how hopeful you were that Clinton would avoid those hollow displays of bipartisanship? Well, you'll be I think we're going to regret not getting Bernie into the WH instead
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Euphoriaphone posted:Remember how Obama appointing a Republican to head the FBI came around to bite the Democrats in the rear end, and how hopeful you were that Clinton would avoid those hollow displays of bipartisanship? Well, you'll be
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Scent of Worf posted:I think we're going to regret not getting Bernie into the WH instead Not really, man's a loser. If he was good enough to do the job he would have been good enough to beat Hillary.
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gfsincere posted:I know this is gonna be hard for you, but it involves shutting the gently caress up and listening.
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hexenmexen posted:I don't think that's fair. My dad has been trying to push that same lefty propaganda on me. Oh boy
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gfsincere posted:Women's suffrage in the US was bolstered and supported by the KKK which had over a million members at that time. Racist stopped clock I guess.
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Ruggan posted:It's just a little sad, you know? Like I'm trying to do my best to reach out, be understanding, express that I'm open to learning. I hope you believe that. As to your former question: no one is asking you to solve racism. Maybe instead of taking on the entire white man's burden you could shut up, listen, and consider someone else's experience for a minute or two. If you really, REALLY want to be special you could even engage in some self-reflection.
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I...I don't know what's happening here, and I don't think that I want to.
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Lead out in cuffs posted:OK, so I'll have a go at an effortpost. 1. Ok. 2. Already understand this, but will read through your link. 3 & 4 will read thanks for the links
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hexenmexen posted:I don't think that's fair. My dad has been trying to push that same lefty propaganda on me my whole life. The principles of equality that exist in the US, outside of the slavery and jim crow, that white people also died to change, are bigger than just symbolys to be misinterpreted by reactionary assholes. Haha is this post for real
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And drat that sure is a whole article spun out of one sentence and one word but then again I guess if Hillary wasn't an evil lizard person out to gently caress us all for nebulous evil the moment she could, why would we keep insisting she is.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRVqVwGWocM
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idiotsavant posted:Look up tone policing, go read MLK's Birmingham Jail letter, and then realize that literally every single time any form of this discussion comes up; that is a poc expresses an opinion or experience about racism in a way that isn't passive and deferential, they get your exact response over and over. To the point that frankly, it becomes a racist expression of white privilege. Read the letter when he referred to it earlier. To the 2nd sentence, I get that - not sure I agree that it's an unreasonable reaction though, I think most people would react that way? Not trying to solve racism. Trying to make sure I act in a way that isn't perpetuating it. I don't feel responsible for anyone else's actions but I want to understand how others feel I should act and why so I can better understand, that's all.
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Mulva posted:Not really, man's a loser. If he was good enough to do the job he would have been good enough to beat Hillary. I wish I could believe that was the implication, but the reality is, name recognition plays an extremely big role in political primaries. Clinton had it; Sanders didn't.
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Mulva posted:Not really, man's a loser. If he was good enough to do the job he would have been good enough to beat Hillary. ¡Jeb!
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poo poo like this is why I have no idea how to brace myself for a Trump presidency.
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hexenmexen posted:I don't think that's fair. My dad has been trying to push that same lefty propaganda on me my whole life. The principles of equality that exist in the US, outside of the slavery and jim crow, that white people also died to change, are bigger than just symbolys to be misinterpreted by reactionary assholes. When will we finally start fighting the true evil in this country....SNAP benefits
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Ghetto Prince posted:poo poo like this is why I have no idea how to brace myself for a Trump presidency. This thread totally melting down?
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hexenmexen posted:I don't think that's fair. My dad has been trying to push that same lefty propaganda on me my whole life. The principles of equality that exist in the US, outside of the slavery and jim crow, that white people also died to change, are bigger than just symbolys to be misinterpreted by reactionary assholes.
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Majorian posted:I wish I could believe that was the implication, but the reality is, name recognition plays an extremely big role in political primaries. Clinton had it; Sanders didn't. Sanders also conceded what, 10 states before their primaries?
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Majorian posted:I wish I could believe that was the implication, but the reality is,
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Welfare is a nefarious plot to keep black people dependent on the government for vague and undefined reasons Unfortunately for our whimsical illuminati overlords their elmer fudd like trap caught single white appalachian moms for the most part. Those wascally wabbits!
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karthun posted:Sanders also conceded what, 10 states before their primaries? Also his campaign manager was incompetent (or so I've heard), and he sprang up from nothing so quickly that he had no time to vet anyone before bringing them on.
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Ruggan posted:Okay, that's fair. I understand and can empathize with that perspective. At the same time it leaves me wondering, where do I fit in? How can I conduct my life in a way that is conducive to allowing everyone access to the same liberties that I have? And what can I do within reason that I'm not instantly perceived as part of the problem by association? Look, I was like you once. One of my only posts in LF was claiming that things aren't as bad for black people any more. I was rightly laughed out of the thread but at the time I was as confused as you are now. I was trying to be understanding and open guys why are you mocking me The thing that can be hard for a majority to understand is that minorities are not obligated to teach you about their experiences in American society. It's tiring, it's repetitive, it's frustrating. Some may choose to be educators and that's great, but black people are not some Encyclopedia of Racism for whites to crack open when they feel like it. Especially in the Information Age when all the statistics and anecdotes you could want are a Google away. So go educate yourself. Put the barest drat modicum of effort into learning about a subject before you try to talk about it. And when black people (or Hispanics or Native Americans or LGBT or who the gently caress ever) are talking about the poo poo they have to live through on a daily basis, shut up and listen . Don't come in making tone arguments or saying "Gosh doesn't intent matter???" or asking that they stop and explain basic-rear end poo poo to you. Edit: late as gently caress y'all demonstrating some extreme not-phone-posting privilege 1stGear fucked around with this message at 08:44 on Oct 31, 2016 |
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Captain Oblivious posted:Welfare is a nefarious plot to keep black people dependent on the government for vague and undefined reasons
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Nessus posted:Christ almighty. The story should be that Bernie had such a good clear message that he did real well even if it wasn't enough to bring the party round him in the end. That's certainly the story Hillary took from it. Yeah, I don't think the man is a loser considering that Hillary was basically uncontested until he came in, and went from 2% in the polls to an actual threat to her nomination in a few months. She was shook.
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Hi, I don't know what "welfare" is, how it is administered, who it benefits or anything about it at all really But let me tell you about how it is the true racism
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Nessus posted:Christ almighty. The story should be that Bernie had such a good clear message that he did real well even if it wasn't enough to bring the party round him in the end. That's certainly the story Hillary took from it. And I think Bernie fans should be proud of it, and I have nothing but contempt for the holdout Bernouts, because holy poo poo, do they need to get their heads out of their asses and onboard with the not-Trump ticket. We're on the same page on this, don't worry. ParliamentOfDogs posted:Hi, I don't know what "welfare" is, how it is administered, who it benefits or anything about it at all really Worse than slavery. -Dr. Ben Carson (it was actually Obamacare)
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Majorian posted:And I think Bernie fans should be proud of it, and I have nothing but contempt for the holdout Bernouts, because holy poo poo, do they need to get their heads out of their asses and onboard with the not-Trump ticket. We're on the same page on this, don't worry.
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Nessus posted:If only Bernie had had three different things been different and wasn't burdened by his saintly nature, then America would be saved! Yeah, well, and one of those three different things would have had to have been a decently-run campaign. Those last couple months of Weaver loving everything up publicly were painful.
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ParliamentOfDogs posted:Hi, I don't know what "welfare" is, how it is administered, who it benefits or anything about it at all really
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Majorian posted:Yeah, well, and one of those three different things would have had to have been a decently-run campaign. Those last couple months of Weaver loving everything up publicly were painful. This meant he wasn't in the cultural and social networks of the Democratic party at all, which denied him support in various ways. It also meant that for people who were Democrats, he came off a little like, "How dare you be a long-time member of this political party I would like to use to become President."
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Majorian posted:I wish I could believe that was the implication, but the reality is, name recognition plays an extremely big role in political primaries. Clinton had it; Sanders didn't.
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Majorian posted:I wish I could believe that was the implication, but the reality is, name recognition plays an extremely big role in political primaries. Clinton had it; Sanders didn't. Obama disagrees.
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Squeegy posted:
Man he must hate doing the dishes.
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Islam is the Lite Rock FM posted:Obama disagrees. Charisma crushes everything. Something neither Bernie nor Hilary have.
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CharlestheHammer posted:Charisma crushes everything. Something neither Bernie nor Hilary have. What wraps up charisma? Does it get cut by name recognition?
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meristem posted:Well, having good name recognition is part of being good at the job. I would say Sanders certainly has name recognition now.
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Also, Obama had some name recognition from the 2004 DNC.
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Islam is the Lite Rock FM posted:Obama disagrees. CharlestheHammer posted:Charisma crushes everything. Something neither Bernie nor Hilary have. This. Name recognition is huge, but it can be offset by other variables, including charisma.
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