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Volkerball posted:Also about an hour and a half away from it being the one year anniversary of the chemical weapons attack in Ghouta. Here's the start of that madness. I've spent a year piecing together details on the attack, I'm working on a post for the anniversary at the moment, bringing together lots of details and arguments from the last year. Lustful Man Hugs posted:Oh man - I remember that day. I was expecting some sort of urban charnel house like Stalingrad (only with modern weapons involved). Instead the city was largely retaken when I was out to dinner with my family. I remember because I was reading the thread from a hotel room when on vacation.
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Brown Moses posted:The NYPost just tweeted the front cover, which is the exact moment James Foley started having his throat cut. Yeah I saw NYP and Daily News both with a similar cover and some variant on the word 'Savage' this morning. SMH.
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Stay classy NY Post. In other news, it appears the White House is considering putting additional troops into Iraq, which is what I figured would happen once you open that Pandora's Box again.
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McDowell posted:Yeah I saw NYP and Daily News both with a similar cover and some variant on the word 'Savage' this morning. SMH. Everyone's getting pumped for a fight that no one's gonna win.
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McDowell posted:Yeah I saw NYP and Daily News both with a similar cover and some variant on the word 'Savage' this morning. SMH. Never stop being tabloid shitlords, NYP.
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Mechafunkzilla posted:It was a murder with the intent of provoking a response, Obama's approach in not taking the bait was the correct one. Saying that you are not going to be intimidated and are going to continue to do what you have already been doing is not taking the bait. Obama did say that the US was going to be relentless, I guess that is good. If the president was attempting to not give IS the satisfaction he should have remained silent.
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loving cartoon villain. Does that look like chlorine symptoms to you? Most I've seen of the barrel bombs were people crying in agony. This reminds me more of the sarin from the 8/21 attack.
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FlamingLiberal posted:In other news, it appears the White House is considering putting additional troops into Iraq, which is what I figured would happen once you open that Pandora's Box again. In what context? I mean, Obama has said there will definitely be no troops in 'combat' roles so many times that apart from anything else the GOP would have an absolute field day if he did send some.
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Torpor posted:If the president was attempting to not give IS the satisfaction he should have remained silent. I don't think you "get" what happens to the people in the United States when an American citizen is killed by a not American citizen.
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Volkerball posted:loving cartoon villain. Does that look like chlorine symptoms to you? Most I've seen of the barrel bombs were people crying in agony. This reminds me more of the sarin from the 8/21 attack. Doesn't look like chlorine, and those attacks have been limited to areas in Idlib and Hama, so I'm guessing this is something else. Worst thing about the NYPost cover is if you've seen the video you'll immediately recall the sawing noise that accompanied that image.
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Brown Moses posted:Also looks like Assad is celebrating the 1 year anniversery of the Sarin attack by doing another chemical attack in the same area Do you have more details on these?
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My mom just called me to warn me not to watch the decapitation video, haha. Sorry, I'm way ahead of you there!! 
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JT Jag posted:My mom just called me to warn me not to watch the decapitation video, haha. I was going to, but I got to the ISIS message just before and couldn't do it. Nick Berg was bad enough back in the day, and it was pixelated as gently caress.
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ZenVulgarity posted:Whoops watched the video I promised myself about a decade ago that I wasn't going to watch anything like that ever again. I've stuck with that promise and I've never regretted it. Just reading what people are saying about it is enough to make my skin crawl. That is the kind of poo poo you never forget seeing. No thank you. LeeMajors posted:I was going to, but I got to the ISIS message just before and couldn't do it. That, and I believe the Russian soldier video.
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Whats the deal with beheading anyway? Is it an Islamic thing? Is it also 'tradition' to do it with a small-ish knife? As opposed to big heavy knife on a block?
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Shaocaholica posted:Whats the deal with beheading anyway? Is it an Islamic thing? Is it also 'tradition' to do it with a small-ish knife? As opposed to big heavy knife on a block? I don't think so... 
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Shaocaholica posted:Whats the deal with beheading anyway? Is it an Islamic thing? Is it also 'tradition' to do it with a small-ish knife? As opposed to big heavy knife on a block? Well it's certainly not only an Islamic thing. I would argue that head chopping has had a universal appeal through many cultures. If you're asking about 21st century head chopping I think calling it traditional would also be a stretch seeing as these dudes are distinctly more brutal than their ascendants.
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Pohl posted:I promised myself about a decade ago that I wasn't going to watch anything like that ever again. I've stuck with that promise and I've never regretted it. I haven't seen it because I'm not purposely trying to track it down, but the massacres footage is always the worst. Zamalka was one I'll never forget. And that little girl in the backseat of a car. Edit: and that one with that guys jaw all blown up. That was when people were still just protesting and it was the defining moment that poo poo was real and Syria was different. Volkerball fucked around with this message at 21:50 on Aug 20, 2014 |
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LeeMajors posted:I don't think so... See my comment about small knife. Every culture has its antiquated execution methods. I'm just asking if this has anything bearing on history.
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Shaocaholica posted:Whats the deal with beheading anyway? Is it an Islamic thing? Is it also 'tradition' to do it with a small-ish knife? As opposed to big heavy knife on a block? https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...i0QuMCqUmkQg-cg Take a look at that for a quick history of celtiberian ritual beheadings. They were done to separate the soul from the body as a ritual sacrifice. I believe the specific knife used is more a berber custom.
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LeeMajors posted:I don't think so... The guillotine was invented to make execution more humane, as it was then thought that it'd kill instantly and therefore as painlessly as possible; whereas decapitation with axe or sword were often botched, hanging often led to slow suffocation, and other execution methods were lethal torture designed to be gruesomely painful. By contrast, ISIS use a small knife.
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Cat Mattress posted:By contrast, ISIS use a small knife. What I'd be interested in hearing from Brown Moses is whether the rate if cruxifictions has gone down while beheadings have gone up. Cruxifiction requires one to hold territory and be secure in the knowledge that the locals won't free the condemned. Beheading is a fairly rapid act which saves on limited resources.
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My Imaginary GF posted:What I'd be interested in hearing from Brown Moses is whether the rate if cruxifictions has gone down while beheadings have gone up. Cruxifiction requires one to hold territory and be secure in the knowledge that the locals won't free the condemned. Beheading is a fairly rapid act which saves on limited resources. They don't string people up alive. They kill them and then "crucify" the body. It's basically just tying up the dead as a public display.
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Cat Mattress posted:The guillotine was invented to make execution more humane, as it was then thought that it'd kill instantly and therefore as painlessly as possible; whereas decapitation with axe or sword were often botched, hanging often led to slow suffocation, and other execution methods were lethal torture designed to be gruesomely painful. He initially asked if beheading was an islamic thing. Small knife question came later. I always thought it was just to make it more awful.
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Volkerball posted:They don't string people up alive. They kill them and then "crucify" the body. It's basically just tying up the dead as a public display. At least, don't string them up alive and leave them until they die. There was that kid they "crucified" for a few hours in Raqqa for breaking the fast during Ramadan.
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So its obvious that beheadings are enough of a common thing in the ME and state practiced. What I really want to know is if there's a tradition way about it. By strict sharia standards aren't there only a handful of crimes that are punishable by beheading? I didn't watch the video. Did they read out a sentence that was in accordance to Sharia? Not that it matters but purely for a technical bad-guy consistency nitpick.
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I thought the state beheadings were done by scimitar and such.
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The New Black posted:In what context? I mean, Obama has said there will definitely be no troops in 'combat' roles so many times that apart from anything else the GOP would have an absolute field day if he did send some. Obama should probably stop ruling out options in advance if he wants to play war.
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the beheading video was not really as bad as ISIS other beheading videos. For whatever reason they fade to black almost immediately as they cut the poor guys throat
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Brown Moses Yesterday shortly before the Foley video broke you retweeted reports about 18 Americans held by ISIS. Was there any follow up or were those reports discredited? Thanks
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Count Roland posted:I really wonder what is going on with the US regarding Saudi Arabia and Iran. Since last summer's gas attack in Syria and the lack of airstrikes, followed shortly after by a real opening in negotiations between Iran and the US (revealing they'd been talking in secret for some time), the Saudis have been pissed. Events in Iraq serve to drive the US and Iran closer together, to the further chagrin of the Saudis. Its time to let religious revolutionary fervor run over Saudi Arabia and over throw the middle ages family who name the country after them.
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I can see wanting to watch the random acts of violence clips out of morbid curiosity (I'll freely admit to it), but why watch a video like the Foley one where you know exactly what happens unless it's your job?
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Holy hell this whole region of the world is just completely hosed up, and this Foley news further drives that home. The saddest part is that you can't point at any single group and say "these are the bad guys"; it's just a lot of people with their own views on what is right and wrong, and they're all just trying to get by.
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Fried Chicken posted:Brown Moses I think it was descredited, the Foley video was being used to claim they were captured pilots, but it became clear they weren't. I've just put together my August 21st anniversary piece, Attempts to Blame the Syrian Opposition for the August 21st Sarin Attacks Continue One Year On, which addresses some of the points made in the Ted Postol document.
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redscare posted:I can see wanting to watch the random acts of violence clips out of morbid curiosity (I'll freely admit to it), but why watch a video like the Foley one where you know exactly what happens unless it's your job? morbid curiosity?
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redscare posted:I can see wanting to watch the random acts of violence clips out of morbid curiosity (I'll freely admit to it), but why watch a video like the Foley one where you know exactly what happens unless it's your job? I used to know people who watched ever more disturbing stuff just to 'one-up' the other, which was pretty dumb. Personally I have no interest in seeing it HalloKitty fucked around with this message at 23:10 on Aug 20, 2014 |
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