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Kazy posted:Wait, aren't those the rejected Generations uniforms? Not identical, but close. 
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never knew they considered zachary quinto for nemesis poo poo would have been different
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Sep 25, 2019 02:45
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or like... apocalypse. one of those two
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Sep 25, 2019 02:47
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lost my old email posted:never knew they considered zachary quinto for nemesis poo poo would have been different Nothing could have saved Nemesis, not as long as John Logan was writing it and had the no-rewrite clause in his contract.
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davidspackage posted:I think it takes a very long time for movie and TV makers to pick up on that. There is optimistic material out there... I would not be surprised to see more, but I do not think it is, at the moment, in the "market segment" (much as I hate to call it that) that Star Trek now occupies. Star Trek was in the first place a barrier-busting breakout hit. They didn't plan for people to be starting Star Trek fan shops in New York City, but they ended up doing that. The real trick is to do a lot of new things, which I think they could do in the context of Trek, and quite easily. But that would involve risk, and I do think there is a lot less appetite for risk in something like a science-fiction TV show nowadays than there was in the 60s.
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It's hard not to judge the lower decks show on the quality of the stills. It looks like every other 'well produced Newgrounds flash animation' look that was everywhere throughout since the early 2000s and seems almost impossible nowadays to make anything 2d animated otherwise, due to the costs of doing traditional non tweened animations. Exceptions are things like disenchanted or venture brothers - but I expect they are very high budget with long turnarounds. But I won't pass judgement just yet. I felt the same way about Bojack Horseman when I first saw it, and have forgotten it entirely as I love the characters and story. Rick and Morty, regardless of the bland character designs has some incredible art design and inventive background art and environments. I suspect they'll run into the same issue that Orville had in finding a tone between a joke a minute referential comedy against a more typical drama / sci fi backdrop.
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Star Trek: Discovery, the television programme where in both seasons so far, our heroes have defeated fascism, which was shown to be both worse and weaker than the Federation’s utopian values, is an optimistic show.
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Sep 25, 2019 13:04
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Kazy posted:Wait, aren't those the rejected Generations uniforms? I think they look good.
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Sep 25, 2019 13:27
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SlothfulCobra posted:From what I can tell, CGI is real expensive, and it takes a long while for economies of scale to cancel out the expense with asset reuse. And with the standard planet-a-day plot of Star Trek, they'll basically never get those economies of scale going so long as they need to keep making new things. Keep in mind that CGI is used in even your bog standard procedurals now (granted, usually for set enhancement rather than 'people'.) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lK1p3sRSmH0 The best use for something like Trek would be CGI enhanced prosthetics (which, the Orville has used for great effect.) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sduy3O--8Mw
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Sep 25, 2019 14:16
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Both Orville and Disco have done better with non-forehead aliens than the old shows but it's still going to be a lot easier to do truly weird ones in a cartoon than live action. I am also hoping they take advantage of that.
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Sep 25, 2019 18:05
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"truly weird" ones would be a real challenge depending on just how weird you want to go. I just finished a novel in which humanity is conquered by aliens twice, once by what are essentially a fish-based hive mind, and once by aliens whose biology was based on turbulent convection cells on their ocean planet, for example.
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Sep 25, 2019 18:13
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Snow Cone Capone posted:I just finished a novel in which humanity is conquered by aliens twice, once by what are essentially a fish-based hive mind, and once by aliens whose biology was based on turbulent convection cells on their ocean planet, for example. And they're all arseholes.
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Sep 25, 2019 19:51
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Isometric Bacon posted:It's hard not to judge the lower decks show on the quality of the stills. It looks like every other 'well produced Newgrounds flash animation' look that was everywhere throughout since the early 2000s and seems almost impossible nowadays to make anything 2d animated otherwise, due to the costs of doing traditional non tweened animations. Exceptions are things like disenchanted or venture brothers - but I expect they are very high budget with long turnarounds. But bojack horseman doesn't look anything like that, and neither does any other popular show these days. We're in a very good time for animation, characters actually have body language now, every show has a distinct stylisation. It's mostly animated on twos, but so loving what? This new trek cartoon is absolutely bottom of the barrel looking poo poo. cad animated series level work, by people who don't care, aren't interested in the medium and put nothing into it. They might as well just go full filmation and keep reusing a bunch of rotoscopes over and over again forever. HorseLord fucked around with this message at 20:19 on Sep 25, 2019 |
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HorseLord posted:But bojack horseman doesn't look anything like that, and neither does any other popular show these days. We're in a very good time for animation, characters actually have body language now, every show has a distinct stylisation. It's mostly animated on twos, but so loving what? Unless I am mistaken, only a handfull of still images have been released and you have no goddamn idea what the animation is like, what the effort level is like, and are talking out your rear end
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Sep 25, 2019 20:49
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The Bloop posted:Unless I am mistaken, only a handfull of still images have been released and you have no goddamn idea what the animation is like, what the effort level is like, and are talking out your rear end lmao Yeah, sure, have fun hoping for animation that can make lovely designs look good.
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TAS could be pretty cool despite it's lovely animation so even if you accept the premise that this new cartoon will look like crap in motion that's still not even necessarily a deal breaker
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Sep 25, 2019 21:02
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MikeJF posted:And they're all arseholes. Yeah they're pretty brutal (the convection-cell aliens keep humans under their thumb by a) cutting off all access to life-extending technology, b) dismantling literally every spacecraft/space station built by humans and c) destroying all of humanity's historical records/monuments/ruins/etc. so that by the time humanity finally overthrows them, the literal entirety of human history >100 years in the past is a complete unknown). e: honestly more than anything, the total erasure of humanity's history is an interesting and terrifying concept. Imagine if we had absolutely zero knowledge, records, or even wild guesses at literally anything that happened on earth before 1900.
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Sep 25, 2019 21:24
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thexerox123 posted:lmao I think the designs are good. Simple, colorful, expressive (this last one relies on good animation, obviously) I've said before that design is subjective, and even as a big fan of animation there is some I can't get past. I get if you just don't like the style, but that wasn't the argument and you (should) know it.
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Sep 25, 2019 21:52
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all the new star treks will be good i still believe in magic
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Sep 25, 2019 22:06
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The Bloop posted:I think the designs are good. Simple, colorful, expressive (this last one relies on good animation, obviously) Taste is subjective, but designs can be objectively more or less lazy than others. Like, you can't compare a Ghibli movie (for instance) and CAD the animated series (for another instance) and say that it's subjective which one has better designs.
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Sep 25, 2019 22:12
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thexerox123 posted:Taste is subjective, but designs can be objectively more or less lazy than others. True, but I don't think this case fits that paradigm. This feels more like bright colorful Mario vs technically superior nine thousand shades of brown billion polygon games that all look forgettably identical. Intentional art direction choices rather than effort level or ability. It's the animation, voice acting, and most especially the writing that will determine whether the show is worth watching, though. It certainly looks good enough.
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Sep 25, 2019 22:27
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i am picking princess peach she has the hover jump
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lost my old email posted:all the new star treks will be good i still believe in magic you might say i have faith. faith of the Jedi Knight Luigi posted:♫ it’s been a long road ... ♫
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lost my old email posted:all the new star treks will be good i still believe in magic Lots of trekkies believe in magic. Unfortunately, that magic is usually in a young girl's heart...
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Brawnfire posted:Lots of trekkies believe in magic. ahhh poo poo that's no fun. that is upsetting
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lost my old email posted:i am picking princess peach she has the hover jump This is the correct choice. Always.
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Sep 25, 2019 23:33
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i only managed to finish mario 2 and yoshi's island i am not very good. not at video games at life i mean
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Sep 25, 2019 23:40
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Yoshi's Island is the best 2D Mario fight me.
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MikeJF posted:Yoshi's Island is the best 2D Mario fight me. Yoshi's Island is the best 2D platformer period
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Grand Fromage posted:Both Orville and Disco have done better with non-forehead aliens than the old shows but it's still going to be a lot easier to do truly weird ones in a cartoon than live action. I am also hoping they take advantage of that. The fact they're doing a Caitian is about as good as you're likely to get. And I'd be way more willing to give Orville props for the blob character if he wasn't just an excuse to have Norm MacDonald make pretty gross in 2019 jokes about sexual harassment.
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Gaz-L posted:The fact they're doing a Caitian is about as good as you're likely to get. And I'd be way more willing to give Orville props for the blob character if he wasn't just an excuse to have Norm MacDonald make pretty gross in 2019 jokes about sexual harassment. did you not used to have a cool venom av? with the tooth? who am i thinking of? gently caress it i will do it as a pm that can be exciting edit' you do not have pms (they are called dms in modern money)
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lost my old email posted:did you not used to have a cool venom av? with the tooth? who am i thinking of? gently caress it i will do it as a pm that can be exciting You're thinking of Gavok I believe
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lost my old email posted:you might say i have faith. faith of the Whoa, you can italicize emoji?!
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Blade_of_tyshalle posted:Whoa, you can italicize emoji?! Whoa seconded, didn't notice the first time.
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Blade_of_tyshalle posted:Whoa, you can italicize emoji?!  not all of em it seems? 
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Snow Cone Capone posted:
Emjoi are just unicode letters like ↺ or ✩ or ⌘ which a browser maker has chosen to replace with a colourful depiction. 😬 is the 128556th letter of the alphabet. You can italicise that letter fine (although some browsers might not support showing it angled). or are images that the SA backend inserts when it sees you've typed : wtc :, they're not letters, so they can't be italicised.But yeah, you can use whatever emoji you want on SA without lowtax needing to add it, it's just part of the alphabet. 🖖 MikeJF fucked around with this message at 12:10 on Sep 26, 2019 |
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MikeJF posted:Emjoi are just unicode letters like ↺ or ✩ or ⌘ which a browser maker has chosen to replace with a colourful depiction. 😬 is the 128556th letter of the alphabet. You can italicise that letter fine (although some browsers might not support showing it angled). I learned something today. After copying and pasting that into notepad to make sure I also learned that it is terrifying.
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MikeJF posted:Emjoi are just unicode letters like ↺ or ✩ or ⌘ which a browser maker has chosen to replace with a colourful depiction. 😬 is the 128556th letter of the alphabet. You can italicise that letter fine (although some browsers might not support showing it angled). Neat, thanks for the info!
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MikeJF posted:Emjoi are just unicode letters like ↺ or ✩ or ⌘ which a browser maker has chosen to replace with a colourful depiction. 😬 is the 128556th letter of the alphabet. You can italicise that letter fine (although some browsers might not support showing it angled).
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