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MikeJF posted:Side effect of humans being turing-compatible: without introducing some extra concept like a soul, there is nothing that stops consciousness from being entirely runnable and entirely, truly conscious if emulated on a mechanical analytical engine with large enough memory i/o available to it. There's a scifi story I've seen somewhere that has (if I'm remembering right) an AI stranded on a planet without a sufficient technology base end up turning parts of it itself into an algorithm very slowly manually computed by an order of monks constantly doing math in an endless series of ledgers.
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skasion posted:The TNG movies waste the whole cast. Everyone other than Picard and Data gets sweet fuckall to do and movie Picard is increasingly unlike show Picard to the point where he becomes pretty much Patrick Stewart in space. I keep forgetting that Gates McFadden was even in any of the movies.
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My favorite thing was how Stuart Baird, who directed Nemesis, was convinced for awhile that Geordi was an alien. He apparently knew nothing at all about Trek.
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If I recall Baird had been promised a directing gig on a summer blockbuster by the studio, and they shafted him by giving him Nemesis, so he was pissed off at the project going in. Honestly, people rag on him but I'd pin even more of the blame for Nemesis on John Logan, the writer - I believe Baird was unfamiliar enough with Trek that he just let the writer handle the script without interfering and just stuck to directing/editing, since he didn't know enough to actually insert his own vision into the plot. Maybe he assumed that what Logan had written made sense if you were a trekkie. MikeJF fucked around with this message at 16:48 on Aug 26, 2020 |
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General Battuta posted:If you like Worf you really need to watch DS9. If only to see him completely continue his Klingon weebo thing esp with Martok going 'ok dude, chill out' Oh yeah and snapping Weyoun's neck and Damar laughing about it.
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FlamingLiberal posted:My favorite thing was how Stuart Baird, who directed Nemesis, was convinced for awhile that Geordi was an alien. He apparently knew nothing at all about Trek. As portrayed by Laverne Burton?
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MikeJF posted:If I recall Baird had been promised a directing gig on a summer blockbuster by the studio, and they shafted him by giving him Nemesis, so he was pissed off at the project going in. I've never really seen anything wrong with how Nemesis is shot, it is entirely the plot and characters that are a bore, definitely Logan's fault and Spiner/Stewart who had a huge hand in the script.
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Yeah Baird seems like an rear end, but he seems to be a pretty decent director. Though whoever made the call to have Shinzon be bald at the last minute should be ridiculed. The script that leaked online in 2001-2 specifically stated he had blond hair, but I guess they figured that no one would get he was another Picard if he wasn’t also bald. Alternatively, they could have changed three words in the script, and just had Patrick Stewart play both roles. 
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God, Sisko and his son Jake have such great chemistry. Giving your main character a son was probably the riskiest thing they did, and it worked out so well.
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Aug 26, 2020 18:57
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SardonicTyrant posted:God, Sisko and his son Jake have such great chemistry. Giving your main character a son was probably the riskiest thing they did, and it worked out so well. It helped that Brooks was a major father figure for Lofton anyway, and included him in all the activities Brooks did with his family.
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It also helped that they wrote Jake as a normal kid and not some sort of wunderkind who saved the day every other week
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Lofton is also a great actor. I caught parts of Nor The Battle To The Strong this morning on BBCA, and I was really impressed by how well written that episode was and how well Lofton did in it. Jake is so much better than Wes. He's just a regular kid whose dad happens to be the Emissary of the Prophets. Wes was better later on, but the twerpy wunderkind stuff was annoying; especially early on.
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I mean it could be worse. You could be Naomi Wildman and just...be there.
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MikeJF posted:If I recall Baird had been promised a directing gig on a summer blockbuster by the studio, and they shafted him by giving him Nemesis, so he was pissed off at the project going in. The director's job is to convey his vision for the project. If he had no vision for the project because of disinterest and just deferred to the writer, then he was a still a lovely director for this project.
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V-Men posted:The most nonsensical thing is why even use medical holograms to do hard labor when you can just have robots do it instead? I guess because holograms can't get damaged? Slightly more nonsensical than portraying mining done being done with picks and shovels like it's the 19th century instead of automated purpose-designed machines processing tons of material per second (and unlike the other instances of this in Trek, this presumably wasn't a prison labor camp). Drink-Mix Man posted:I know you can choose on the Blu Rays. Not sure if it is streaming anywhere. Amazon Prime has both the original and remastered versions. Admiralty Flag posted:It also helped that they wrote Jake as a normal kid and not some sort of wunderkind who saved the day every other week Jake and Nog taking the runabout apart and then freaking out when the cavalry shows up in "The Jem'Hadar" is the best thing ever
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SardonicTyrant posted:God, Sisko and his son Jake have such great chemistry. Giving your main character a son was probably the riskiest thing they did, and it worked out so well. i love jake and captain sisko <3 i love them so much McSpanky posted:Jake and Nog taking the runabout apart and then freaking out when the cavalry shows up in "The Jem'Hadar" is the best thing ever lol good reference, also, that episode loving owns. one of my buddies is going through the entirety of trek for the first time right now. theyre on TNG s2. cant wait for them to watch what happens to the USS Odyssey (or whatever that Galaxy class ship is in that episode that gets owned) going from the majesty of the Ent-D to watching a galaxy class starship get absolutely annihilated was 
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Jake Sisko owns. Also I’m rewatching DS9 for the first time in like 20 years and watched “The Visitor” the other day. I don’t think any piece of entertainment I’ve encountered has ever made me cry so hard. 
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Jake also benefits from going down a completely different career path from his dad. Pretty much every other kid we'd seen in TNG-era Trek was on a path to Starfleet Academy. Jake going into journalism instead makes the setting feel a little larger, like you don't have to be a shipbound scientist to better yourself and enjoy the utopia of the 24th century.
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It was great when Sisko didn't push Jake into a Starfleet career. I think previous series (especially TNG) had a tendency to depict kids as all being on the scientist and/or Starfleet track, so it was good that Jake was a pretty normal kid getting in trouble on the Promenade with Nog and being a journalist. Ten year olds doing calculus in TNG was pretty ridiculous, I always thought.
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I think 10 year old could probably handle calculus. I think it's easier than long division, conceptually. The algebra is the hard part but you don't really need the algebra to teach the core concept of derivative and integral. You'd have to teach it as calculus *for* primary school, but I think the kids could do it. It's the classic "if you don't tell them it's hard they'll never know" situation. Pencil and paper integration techniques are the ball-bustingly hard part of college calculus, and those will be even more outdated in the 24th century than they are today.
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Calculus was astoundingly easy compared to some of the poo poo I dealt with in Algebra II and Geometry.
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HD DAD posted:Yeah Baird seems like an rear end, but he seems to be a pretty decent director. Though whoever made the call to have Shinzon be bald at the last minute should be ridiculed. Director is a somewhat vaguely defined role, sometimes they have huge influence and other times it's more limited, and it also varies whether that's a good thing or a bad thing. It definitely seems like he had issues but it's also pretty clear they weren't limited to him. It's not a bad looking movie, which is kind of the #1 area where the director has influence, though not the only area. I guess it's kind of a death by a thousand cuts. A lot of small bad decisions by a lot of people, not one fatal flaw. HOLY gently caress posted:Jake Sisko owns. I haven't started my first rewatch of DS9 as a father yet, but it's coming soon, and I am really not sure what's gonna happen when we get to that one.
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Arglebargle III posted:I think 10 year old could probably handle calculus. I think it's easier than long division, conceptually. The algebra is the hard part but you don't really need the algebra to teach the core concept of derivative and integral. You'd have to teach it as calculus *for* primary school, but I think the kids could do it. also a lot of the dumb algebra class poo poo is just memorizing formulas to avoid having to do calculus like 'where is the maximum of this parabola', there's a dumb formula you can memorize to find it algebraically, or you can just calculus for a fraction of a second and pop out the answer
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Roadie posted:There's a scifi story I've seen somewhere that has (if I'm remembering right) an AI stranded on a planet without a sufficient technology base end up turning parts of it itself into an algorithm very slowly manually computed by an order of monks constantly doing math in an endless series of ledgers. This sounds awesome. Please stare into a candle or whatever Tuvok does to remember the name of the story.
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Jake’s problem is that he has less of an overall impact than side characters that don’t even appear, much less star, in 2 seasons worth of episodes. Jake was a title sequence character and appeared in a ton of episodes but I’d hazard a guess he got maybe 12 to 15 episodes where he could be considered one of the main characters in them. They seem to have run out of ideas completely, or just didn’t care about the character any more, shortly after the season 6 opener. Even
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Jake only appears in 41% of DS9 episodes. 
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What we need in here is MORE child actors! I always skip The Visitor because I'm rarely in the mood to be broken down and built up emotionally over 52 minutes.
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Arglebargle III posted:What we need in here is MORE child actors! *and you must always refer to her as Naomi Wildman, it's in the rules
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SardonicTyrant posted:Naomi Wildman* was such a weird addition to the cast. Not only did they do nothing with her, they forgot her mom existed. I read somewhere that Berman/Braga/whoever apparently thought her mom died in 'Once Upon a Time', which is why she's relegated to 'character who only appears to show we're in the past' along with Joe Carey.
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You'd think they'd ask themselves "who is taking care of Naomi Wildman?"
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Naomi Wildman died. I wonder if they ever told her that her real mother got murdered/blown up and that she herself was just an alternate version of the real Naomi?
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Didn't that also happen to Harry Kim? It also happened to Miles O'Brian once.
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SardonicTyrant posted:Didn't that also happen to Harry Kim?
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SardonicTyrant posted:Didn't that also happen to Harry Kim? 
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Kibayasu posted:Jake’s problem is that he has less of an overall impact than side characters that don’t even appear, much less star, in 2 seasons worth of episodes. Jake was a title sequence character and appeared in a ton of episodes but I’d hazard a guess he got maybe 12 to 15 episodes where he could be considered one of the main characters in them. They seem to have run out of ideas completely, or just didn’t care about the character any more, shortly after the season 6 opener. Even The problem is that the ensemble grew as the series went on, so there was less time for someone like Jake who never had a lot going on
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Arglebargle III posted:What we need in here is MORE child actors! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9soPONp0QAI
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Don't forget this is coming 
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I haven’t heard this theme in like 23 years, and it instantly came back to me as soon as I heard the opening few seconds lol
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SardonicTyrant posted:Didn't that also happen to Harry Kim? of all of the star trek people who die and then get replaced by the other version of themselves, miles' version always felt the least weird. partially because it was such a short timeframe and partially because the process itself feels more self-contained
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SardonicTyrant posted:You'd think they'd ask themselves "who is taking care of Naomi Wildman?" No one ever asks, how is taking care of Naomi Wildman?
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