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forkboy84 posted:Yeah, but I bet you don't earn £150k a year, expenses, a generation pension & severance package if the voters kick you out. Haha try sub 30k and a creeping sense of dread with every new email. poo poo snype cat tax 
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 https://metro.co.uk/2022/10/10/princess-margaret-once-chopped-up-unflushable-turd-with-cake-slice-17532614/ A metaphor for the class system, or something, when you think about it
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smellmycheese posted:
Silver is antibacterial, too, so it was also demonstrating good hygiene. 
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Rarity posted:If you are dissatisfied with voting Labour may I present the alternative solution of dismantling the current electoral system That seems like one of those american political ideas that doesn’t really translate to the UK. There is no electoral college to abolish, no regions that get grossly disproportionate numbers of votes. According to the best available polls, about 4% of the UK population have left-of-neoliberal political opinions. And that’s only that high if you are very forgiving about anyone wrong about any one issue (foreign policy, the environment , trans rights etc). There is no system, electoral or otherwise, which is going to produce the right result in those circumstances. Even a Stalin wouldn’t have enough people to run the gulags. Given how agressively crap the current crop of Tories are, you probably could get away with policy a whisper to the left of Starmer. But you’d be surprised how much people stopped noticing the government’s antics if anyone was really proposing an alternative.
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radmonger posted:According to the best available polls, about 4% of the UK population have left-of-neoliberal political opinions Lol bullshit
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Oct 11, 2022 17:06
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Most people pick the party that matches to their self-perceived identity the best, regardless of the policies of that party. See: The Tories keep switching their type of conservatism to no big effect in their voter base, and Labour going from "max Corbyn" to Kier-lite and the polling not actually matching policy proposals, but personalities and media perceptions. You control one of the two pillars, you get to set the bounds of acceptable and unacceptable politics.
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radmonger posted:According to the best available polls, about 4% of the UK population have left-of-neoliberal political opinions. This is not true. And even if it were true as an aggregate of political opinion, that’s not the same as supporting leftist policies. When asked about socialist economic policies without explicitly stating that they are socialist, most people support them.
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radmonger posted:That seems like one of those american political ideas that doesn’t really translate to the UK. There is no electoral college to abolish, no regions that get grossly disproportionate numbers of votes. This is an extraordinarily weird take given that you can pretty clearly see that corbyn did very well and got a lot of votes, but also the tories mobilized a lot of people as well with brexit, culminating with johnson essentially running as the outsider candidate with the party that had literally run the country for 10 years at that point. Left wing policies are popular, they do plenty well when they are presented which is why the whole "can you believe corbyn is suggesting <thing that everyone likes>" in 2017 backfired and he gained and gained votes all the way through the election campaign. The issue is that press and the labour institution eventually figured out a way to drag that idea down and the tories managed to deadlock brexit for so long that I think a lot of people just wanted it out of the way and not to think about it any more, while actually dealing with it properly would have required engagement. But "the UK public doesn't like left wing policies" is just such a... nonsense idea? The UK depends on having a very narrow field of available political positions for people to choose from and the institutions that work to produce that state of affairs mobilize heavily to discredit anything outside it, which is how you end up with the treatment of left wing labour by the rest of the labour party and the press and that idiot journalist shrieking at the RMT guy to confess his desire to murder scabs on live TV. To look at that and just go "obviously people inherently dislike left wing ideas" is extremely silly. Especially to imagine that starmer's virtual nonexistence is somehow helping his vote share rather than that happening in spite of his conduct. Look how crazy people went for the one hint of a policy that he blatantly lied about with the energy subsidies thing framed as nationalization if you don't look closely at it, people clearly want big changes to make their lives better but the UK structurally operates to ensure that never happens. OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 17:26 on Oct 11, 2022 |
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https://twitter.com/withorpe/status/1579853838642974721?s=19 We refuse to participate on the grounds it makes us look bad
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Dead Goon posted:I would rather douse my ballot in petrol and set it on fire, but instead of throwing it in a bin I'd keep hold of it and get 1st degree burns, than vote for the Lib loving Dems.
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radmonger posted:According to the best available polls, about 4% of the UK population have left-of-neoliberal political opinions.  The average voter bloc looks like: 
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radmonger posted:That seems like one of those american political ideas that doesn’t really translate to the UK. There is no electoral college to abolish, no regions that get grossly disproportionate numbers of votes. So, uh, 2017 election, with an explicitly socialist Labour leader, passed you by, huh?
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Barry Foster posted:That's cool though. I don't know how hard that is to do but if it isn't I recommend it Well you're going to need to install an Android SDK and if you're compiling for Android you will definitely be a lot comfier on Linux. It's not hard for me but I am literally an embedded Linux engineer. Probs a bit tough for Auntie May, though.
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The fail king not giving us a bank holiday smh
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Guavanaut posted:According to the most recent FT/Chapel Hill polls both major parties are chasing each other to the right while relying on culture wars for a differential. So you're saying that it's not radmonger posted:Even a Stalin wouldn’t have enough people to run the gulags. It's that Stalin wouldn't even need to gulag anyone because he's the apparently sitting in the British electoral sweet spot? there would definitely still be gulags
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It feels plausible to me that some people might like individual leftwing policies but still think it is irresponsible for the government to invest in a leftwing programme? Like some variant on wanting high-quality public services but believing the lie that we need to make “tough decisions”.
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Guavanaut posted:The average voter bloc looks like: The average voter in this country is a Vermicious Knid.
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Gonzo McFee posted:https://twitter.com/withorpe/status/1579853838642974721?s=19 Unsure what's made me laugh more, this or radmonger with another stellar "actually everyone is a neoliberal, especially you" post. That joke will never stop tickling me. Spoilered because of some talk about suicidal ideation At my lowest point, fortunately quite some time ago, I used to fantasise of using the last remaining money in my back account to get a train to London & just hang around outside the DWP until IDS, the then Secretary of State, turned up & then doing myself in in some sort of bold dramatic gesture which would hopefully traumatise the oval office, or at least inconvenience him for a couple of seconds. Not doing anything to hurt him because that might engender sympathy was my thought process. Obviously I decided against doing that because I'm still here, & I really was at the end of my rope at the time & was just in a total mess that wasn't helped by my experience with the DWP, trying to get housing benefits & also get ESA at the time & various other poo poo. Do not recommend it. But at the time it really felt like a real possibility because I had such a negative experience with the DWP, it had only gotten worse since the Pigfucker Coalition came in. So many people who's world view could be summed up as Work Will Set You Free. Far from all of whom would identify as Tories. Anyway, neoliberalism is a vicious cancer at the heart of society & it needs to be excised. It's just an exercise in bloodless cruelty. They aren't even enjoying themselves, it's just a sense that "got to remind the plebs of their place, keep them too exhausted & beaten down to actually remember they out number us. By a lot"
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Honestly I think if you'd killed yourself in front of him, the man's such a soulless psychopath he'd probably just get hard. You can only appeal to your opponent's humanity if they have any. There was that video of him crying at how bad things were in the glasgow tenements, and then his response to that was to lead the biggest destruction of the welfare state ever seen. Man's a oval office. Glad you didn't do it though, you're good people.
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Guavanaut posted:According to the most recent FT/Chapel Hill polls both major parties are chasing each other to the right while relying on culture wars for a differential. Labour now outside of the labour voting bloc, fast exiting the lib dem sphere and firmly in the middle of the cons voting base. Looks accurate to me.
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smellmycheese posted:
i think princess anne has her turds in a commemorative jar once she had to use one of the toilets after being caught short on a tour of a nuclear submarine
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Jel Shaker posted:i think princess anne has her turds in a commemorative jar once she had to use one of the toilets after being caught short on a tour of a nuclear submarine Wait there, how do nuclear sub toilets work, then?
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Amphigory posted:Wait there, how do nuclear sub toilets work, then? Everyone eats lots of beans and the compressed output constitutes the nuclear fuel. Meanwhile, in serious land: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTZFy6Jl0AU
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Jel Shaker posted:i think princess anne has her turds in a commemorative jar once she had to use one of the toilets after being caught short on a tour of a nuclear submarine Faslane, 1972, Princess Anne visited the Base on the Royal Train. The said train parked up overnight on the sidings at the back of the base. "Allegedly" a raiding party snuck under the train and extracted a brown log from the sewage tank of the appropriate carriage, took it away and either painted it gold or wrapped it in foil. I didn't see it, so decide for yourself - all I'm saying is that it was perfectly possible.
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I'm glad there's so many different technologies to stop our rivers and seas just having poo poo just dumped into them near where people are.
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1965917 posted:Labour now outside of the labour voting bloc, fast exiting the lib dem sphere and firmly in the middle of the cons voting base. Except it isn't, because they won't be perceived as fash enough no matter how far to the right they go.
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I think quite a few military groups had samples of the Queen's poo. I mentioned before that the RAF Squadron that provided the Queen's Flight had a jar of Lizzie's poo on a shelf in the officer's mess. The English are weird
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Some rare good news: https://twitter.com/zarahsultana/status/1579894783375724544?t=9Ybhx0EF-MLb2986djTE7A&s=19
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https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1579908537974595584 https://twitter.com/TheStalwart/status/1579912232233627648 Looks like financial armageddon is back on the menu folx
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Well if all the old people die in the winter, this frees up pensions, meaning more money for the rest of us.
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Rarity posted:Lol bullshit It's radmonger, being wrong about everything is their gimmick
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keep punching joe posted:Can someone who knows about economics explain how in general there is a shortage of labour, but at the same time employee bargaining power over pay is non existent. Shouldn't one affect the other directly? There's a shortage of labour because no one is willing to take on such lovely working conditions anymore for meaningless bullshit pay. Loads of people aren't even working anymore because they cashed in on investing during the pandemic. It's a whole shitload of number fudging to make it seem as if the economy isn't already hanging on by a microfiber within the thread. Rarity posted:I'm an idiot, what is he expecting pension funds to do? Somehow not pay oil and gas executive salaries because windfall tax bad - just ask the money itself not to do it.
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Rarity posted:I'm an idiot, what is he expecting pension funds to do? I assume get the gently caress out of UK investments.
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Lol https://twitter.com/guardian/status/1579948199561023490  Rarity posted:I'm an idiot, what is he expecting pension funds to do? Steal as much before close of day on Friday
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Is it really a U-turn if Boris' Big Brexit Bus is just doing donuts on the motorway
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