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One little hurricane and everybody decides this is just an anime thread now? 
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cool new Polack jokes posted:but friend or foe, who is to say? There are no foes. We're all just shipmates on this big blue climate-change riddled spaceship called lulz.
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Sep 10, 2017 16:49
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Anime is worse than Star Citizen imo.
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Sep 10, 2017 16:49
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shrach posted:They don't have to pay any back, it's effectively a subsidy. Ah so the British tax payer is on the hook. Very nice of them to back CIG like that. Now another question. Someone on Reddit tried to tell me that "you don't know that SC isn't also certified" as a British video game. I know that SQ42, and SC are split and dealt with separately, right down to the IP. So if CIG/F42 were to work on SC, one would think that SC would also have to be certified as a British video game. Which could be quite a bit harder, since CIG US has the IP, correct? Am I also correct that when filing for certification, and applying for the tax credit, it can only be one game? Could they just lump SC in with their application for SQ42?
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Sep 10, 2017 16:50
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 Seriously this is a must-watch. His face watching the caterpillar disappear after phasing through the cockpit window is priceless. Such a slow burn
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Sep 10, 2017 16:51
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Guys, I think I've cracked the CIR code! Space Bulldozer the MovieTM Do Not Archer distribution rights should have transferred back to fidelity visionary Crobbets around last year. With all the animation and stand-in motion capture experience CIG has, they can fully re-master Space Bulldozer the MovieTM Do Not Archer with all the missing scenes and release a 4K edition! A stroke of genius really. Really this is good! This won't be like Freelancer where Digital Anvil was doing effects for a movie while trying to build a game, quite the opposite really.
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Sep 10, 2017 16:57
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Sep 10, 2017 16:57
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thatguy posted:I believe the ELE was actually that CIG had made a new company. I think the anime fetishist dev was just outed around the same time. I just like winding idiots in the thread up with Derek's breaking news tweets. The new company Derek told us about 24-48 hours before it was posted on discord/here. I assume it's to protect rights after the other companies go bust, the name is a bit of a giveaway, but I dunno. It seems beyond doubt now that CIG really can't get anything playable out the door, from what they've said the already stripped down 3.0 is being stripped back further. SQ42 is rumoured to be a mess they haven't really worked on in 2 years. Their Idris battle was a fast screensaver and one of their other ship adverts was shot in stop motion, so the rumours of low frame rates killing the 3.0 build appear to be true, not forgetting the restart every 15 minutes. It seems Cubic Motion have removed two pages of Star Citizen stuff from their website earlier this year so I'm not sure they are involved anymore. The pattern of hiring a third party, paying them lots of cash, failing to use a lot of what is produced continues, only this time it's the A list cast movie shoot. I expect they'll salvage some of it for Citizen Con. Unless something unexpected happens you wouldn't expect CIG to go out of business right before their most profitable 3 months of the year but does anyone really doubt it's actually happening now? Just like the game it's in slow motion.
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Sep 10, 2017 17:03
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Locked 
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Sep 10, 2017 17:03
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alphabettitouretti posted:Wouldn't the move be for this new company to buy the IP off Coutts when CIG goes boom. I mean, they could, but Coutts wouldn't let go of it without their loan + interest being repaid as well, and if CIG really does go bust I don't know where they'd scrape that money up from. Quavers posted:The top post on Spectrum for the past 18 hours or so:  It's already been locked.[edit]^^^drat you! 
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Sep 10, 2017 17:06
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Also: What happened to complete transparency and treating us like a publisher?  
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Sep 10, 2017 17:09
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his nibs posted:Locked drat you
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Sep 10, 2017 17:12
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Another wild guess about the new company : CG has stopped giving any pretense to the notion of "All pledge money going to developpment" for a while now and backers seem fine with it. Would it be possible the crobblers is looking at using backers funds or funds directly derived from backers funding to buy back the old Wing Commander IP form EA ? That IP has been dead in the water for 10 years and they have the much more valuable Starwars contract with Disney now. We know crobblets wanted to buy back the IP in the begining but could not agree to terms with EA. Now that he has the Shitizen cult wallets as his personnal piggybank maybe he think he can pull it off. a) Annouce the buyback of Wing Commander IP from evil publisher EA at CitizenCon b) Announce a New Wing Commander MMO - Cancel SC and SQ42 (while transering all pledge to the future game accounts) c) Build a custom engine or go UE4. d) Profit for another 5-7 years (Developpement just started !). Think the backer are stupid enough that this could work ? aleksendr fucked around with this message at 17:23 on Sep 10, 2017 |
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Sep 10, 2017 17:12
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his nibs posted:Also: Your thread locking skills are on fire today
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Sep 10, 2017 17:13
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Sep 10, 2017 17:14
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aleksendr posted:Another wild guess about the new company : The sad thing is we dont really know. If i was CR i wouldnt be able to sleep because of wild laughter attacks. e: Also whats the deal with all these lurker shame lists? Just leave them alone
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Sep 10, 2017 17:18
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Why does all these landing zone shots look like town squares? Everything is centralized around a single core. I have a theory that CIG is expecting to buy the rights back from Coutts when they sell the whole thing in a fire sale just to recoup some money from the loan.
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Sep 10, 2017 17:18
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Young Freud posted:Why does all these landing zone shots look like town squares? Everything is centralized around a single core. almost like an FPS map 
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Sep 10, 2017 17:19
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trucutru posted:
Neither, the entire point of that anime was that both are poo poo and japan's continued misunderstanding of the situation has turned Anno into one of the most hilariously bitter old men on the planet.
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Sep 10, 2017 17:22
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Sep 10, 2017 17:29
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cool new Polack jokes posted:... Hi. I have no involvement or investment with SC, but reading about it makes me feel better about the $25 I threw at Unsung Story - that at least still has a chance of releasing.
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Sep 10, 2017 17:31
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his nibs posted:Also: When I've finished answering a paid client's questions I like to sign off with "You are dismissed"
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Sep 10, 2017 17:32
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Young Freud posted:Why does all these landing zone shots look like town squares? Everything is centralized around a single core. How much, at auction, could an IP saddled with a 160 million liability could be worth ? When IGP went bust in 2014, the Mechwarrior Tactics IP where estimated at around 4M$(Can). Wing Commander cant be worth much more https://www.raymondchabot.com/en/wp...5747241737b.pdf
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Sep 10, 2017 17:35
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toanoradian posted:Oh my god have you seen this season's...*looks up MyAnimeList* "Gamers!"? As it is apparently about gamers, it is very congruent with this thread! it's unironically good it's about a squad of high schoolers playing games and cheating on each other
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Sep 10, 2017 17:38
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Young Freud posted:Why does all these landing zone shots look like town squares? Everything is centralized around a single core. I believe when the loan news leaked, CIG said the rights involved didn't cover Star Citizen, just SQ42. As Chris Roberts lost the rights to Wing Commander the game and signed over for ten years or something the rights to the movie. I can fully see him wanting to protect the rights to SC and SQ42 even with no plan to use them soon. Five, ten years down the line though, who knows.
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Sep 10, 2017 17:39
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Young Freud posted:Why does all these landing zone shots look like town squares? Everything is centralized around a single core. As others have said, that would be fraud. Maybe the idea is to licence out the IP or the whole game to somebody who thinks they can actually make it. Trap card would be activated because they'd have to work with and interact with Chris as the visionary.
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Sep 10, 2017 17:40
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For anyone concerned Derek is still linking to his tweets in the Irma GBS thread so he's not dead yet.
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Sep 10, 2017 17:42
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D_Smart posted:I survived Andrew. Irma ain't poo poo. 
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Sep 10, 2017 17:43
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Virtual Captain posted:As others have said, that would be fraud. Maybe the idea is to licence out the IP or the whole game to somebody who thinks they can actually make it. Trap card would be activated because they'd have to work with and interact with Chris as the visionary. They can just pay that loan off with all that sweet Citizen Con, Nov sale, Dec sale money. SQ42 rights returned. Loan might just have been needed to get them this far into the big sale season.
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Sep 10, 2017 17:47
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kilus aof posted:Wow. So he has some sort of stupid plan to go from the Wank Pod station to some comm array without hyperdrive that will take three real time and 10 hours into it he glitches out a window. And now he is live again doing the exact thing from the start. That's the sort of exciting and engaging gameplay only Star Citizen can deliver. I feel bad for the streamshills. What a boring and soul crushing job.
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Sep 10, 2017 17:52
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cool new Polack jokes posted:
The gently caress was he trying to do EDIT: whoops should have refreshed. butwhy.gif
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Sep 10, 2017 17:52
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aleksendr posted:Another wild guess about the new company : Roberts does not give a gently caress about Wing Commander anymore. He could have bought the rights anytime between $12 million raised and now. Wing Commander is just a prop to be pulled out and shoved away when it's convenient, as a reminder of "HEY CHRIS DID THIS IT WAS SO COOL REMEMBER?!". Roberts would have to part with a fuckton of money before EA would sell the rights to him, because of spite and "oh hey, you got any more millions of backer money lying around?"
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Sep 10, 2017 17:54
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thatguy posted:For anyone concerned Derek is still linking to his tweets in the Irma GBS thread so he's not dead yet. but who will link all of his tweets here? can derek possibly self reference himself everywhere that needs it?!?!
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Sep 10, 2017 17:56
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Latin Pheonix posted:I mean, they could, but Coutts wouldn't let go of it without their loan + interest being repaid as well, and if CIG really does go bust I don't know where they'd scrape that money up from. This'd be hyper shady, but they could, COULD, be keeping a certain amount of money in reserve specifically to pay off that loan. In fact, if they're telling the truth about it being just tax credits then all they need to do is take the tax credits they get plus whatever shavings they can get from the bottom of the barrel and pay back Coutts so long as they survive that long. Obviously this is entirely speculation on my part.
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Sep 10, 2017 18:03
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Bootcha posted:Roberts does not give a gently caress about Wing Commander anymore. This is evidenced in having Ben scrabble around for a few thousand dollars to buy all the WC history, Chris didn't lift a finger lol
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Sep 10, 2017 18:04
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big nipples big life posted:Oh also Derek called someone a coward for blocking him on twitter. The lols were quite choice. I'm still laughing at this.
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Sep 10, 2017 18:06
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TheGodofIris posted:I'm still laughing at this. Tane.
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Sep 10, 2017 18:06
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Mu77ley posted:This. I guess they have very real worries about being able to pay back Coutts and are trying to protect the lovely lore and good name of Star Citizen and Squadron 42 so Crobbers can try and hawk it off as some kind of second-hand lovely idea salesman. This shell corp has no reason to exist. They don't need another company to handle licensing when they already have two shell companies (CIG, RSI) which don't do anything except hold assets and move money around. This is an exit move. And doing it end of Aug, starts the 90 days clock after which they can legally move IP and assets from the companies they are going to dump, and into this new company. If they pay off their two UK loans in the process, then they won't have issues with the creditors (banks etc). Which means that they would only have backers to answer to. Mark my words, this is happening. The project is dead. Any money they get now, is going towards funding their exit.
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Sep 10, 2017 18:09
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big nipples big life posted:Oh also Derek called someone a coward for blocking him on twitter. The lols were quite choice. That one is wonderful 
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Sep 10, 2017 18:11
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Pilz posted:This'd be hyper shady, but they could, COULD, be keeping a certain amount of money in reserve specifically to pay off that loan. In fact, if they're telling the truth about it being just tax credits then all they need to do is take the tax credits they get plus whatever shavings they can get from the bottom of the barrel and pay back Coutts so long as they survive that long. Obviously this is entirely speculation on my part. Very plausible. Guessing their plans for the loan is hobbled a bit by not knowing how much it's for (20% of development costs is going to be a substantial sum though, it won't be pocket change). Alternatively the loan could in fact be exactly what it said on the tin - a short-term float until the UK government coughs up the tax credits - and CIG are hoping their application gets processed quickly. Speculating too much on the loan starts running into stuff we just don't know, and won't know until after the dust settles. One last thing to bear in mind though - if Coutts do ever take possession of the IP in the event of default, they're not going to hold onto it. They'll firesale it as quickly as possible for as much as they can get, and write the rest off. It's very possible that a well-placed phoenix company could be the only bidder at the auction and buy the assets back for a knockdown price. EDIT: Also bear in mind the Squadron 42 IP is securing the Coutts loan. CIG still holds Star Citizen itself free and clear. How exactly Coutts would extract the two is an open question.
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