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Pakled posted:Why would someone assassinate a redshirt, you can't move ahead in rank that way It's OCS for noncoms. Kill an ensign, get a commission.
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Pakled posted:Why would someone assassinate a redshirt, you can't move ahead in rank that way Not with that attitude
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Dec 14, 2016 07:07
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Pakled posted:Why would someone assassinate a redshirt, you can't move ahead in rank that way Practice
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Dec 14, 2016 07:53
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In Voyager the ship has come across a Space Thing just ahead of them. Tuvok says to reverse course and go around it. Harry says they can't do that because it is now surrounding them in a ring shape. They decide the only thing to do is fly through it. Edit: Also my new favourite character is Working Out Guy. Pwnstar fucked around with this message at 10:05 on Dec 14, 2016 |
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Dec 14, 2016 10:00
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MikeJF posted:Was it a radio or a subspace radio? It was one of their communicators, which I think is just a radio. Not sure what the range is on the Enterprise ones.
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Dec 14, 2016 11:17
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Tikifire posted:It was one of their communicators, which I think is just a radio. Not sure what the range is on the Enterprise ones. "Trip? Can you hear me now? Hang on, let me go outside."
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Dec 14, 2016 11:24
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Not sure about Enterprise, but in the other Treks, Communicators definitely are not just radios. We see them have instantaneous lossless communication with ships in orbit (or sometimes even farther away) or people on the opposite sides of the planet or whatever and they also seem to have some sort of advanced sensor suite as they can pick up all sorts of weird signals. They're also apparently connected with the universal translator (though of course that's new tech in ENT). Basically, it's a device capable of planetary range FTL communication with better fidelity than a modern cell phone with some sort of crazy ion-fusion power supply and the ability to decode languages on the fly. It's not a phaser or a tricorder, but it's still crazy interstellar super tech and the fact that it uses subspace arguably makes it more advanced than either. Like, with a few decades of study you could potentially reverse engineer a warp drive from one of these things.
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Dec 14, 2016 11:38
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Duckbag posted:You can peg this "revelation" as basically the exact moment the writers stopped giving a gently caress about the mirror universe. You have to be a real Scrooge to get upset about something as inconsequential and fun as that. Really? That's where you draw the line?
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Dec 14, 2016 11:47
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Duckbag posted:Not sure about Enterprise, but in the other Treks, Communicators definitely are not just radios. We see them have instantaneous lossless communication with ships in orbit (or sometimes even farther away) or people on the opposite sides of the planet or whatever and they also seem to have some sort of advanced sensor suite as they can pick up all sorts of weird signals. They're also apparently connected with the universal translator (though of course that's new tech in ENT). The ones in Enterprise seem to be a bit more primitive than the ones in TOS (though they do have those nifty light-up led screens). They can barely communicate from orbit with people on planet surfaces at times.
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Trek communicators are basically Iconian gateways but only for sound.
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Dec 14, 2016 11:55
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Duckbag posted:Like, with a few decades of study you could potentially reverse engineer a warp drive from one of these things. I remember when I found an old alarm clock and, after some study, I built a nuclear bomb.
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Dec 14, 2016 11:55
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Blade_of_tyshalle posted:I remember when I found an old alarm clock and, after some study, I built a nuclear bomb. Is that why Ahmed Mohamed was arrested?
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Dec 14, 2016 11:57
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Blade_of_tyshalle posted:I remember when I found an old alarm clock and, after some study, I built a nuclear bomb. Did that alarm clock have a nuclear reactor instead of a battery? Because, if not, this is a bad metaphor. Seriously, it's faster than light communication by way of an alternate dimension. If we in 2016 found something like that we'd pretty much have to throw out the entire standard model of physics and start over. What's more, we'd have a template to do so (once we figured out how to read it). Even if we never got the drat thing to work right, we'd have kickstarted an entirely new field of study and who knows where that would lead. Just knowing that subspace exists and is possible to access would be a complete game changer and that's not even getting into the device's components or power supply. Met posted:You have to be a real Scrooge to get upset about something as inconsequential and fun as that. I'm not mad about it. It's a better episode than the one with mirror Bareil, but all the goofiness and Rom's constant nitpicking of the premise are pretty clear signs that the writers were over the whole thing.
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It's been years but I just watched TNG's "Code of Honor." Holy gently caress. Just wipe that poo poo from the record.
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In the TOS episode with the communicator being left behind the problem wasn't that it was a radio but that one of the components inside it was some dealy that all their tech was built on (a super transistor?) and the planet was full of very clever, imitative people.
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Duckbag posted:the entire standard model of physics The standard model (which, to be clear, is a term specifically used for the model of quantum physics) is semi-empirical and can absorb a lot of stuff without being thrown out - the "beyond the standard model" stuff that includes multiple additional dimensions still has the Higgs Mechanism and all the rest of the "core" stuff.
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Duckbag posted:They're also apparently connected with the universal translator (though of course that's new tech in ENT). They seem to have an integrated universal translator because they work even if a ship is not in orbit or if you've been thrown into the past or whatever.
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It's possible that the communicators use quantum entanglement to transmit information instantaneously. Of course, to use entanglement is to break entanglement, so they're slowly ripping apart the fabric of space-time with each petty message, so that's a thing.
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CountFosco posted:It's possible that the communicators use quantum entanglement to transmit information instantaneously. Of course, to use entanglement is to break entanglement, so they're slowly ripping apart the fabric of space-time with each petty message, so that's a thing. Eh, that plot's just a retread of "Warp travel is ripping space apart so slow down y'all"
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I just watched the season 2 ep of DS9 where we learn Garak has a brain implant, and I was laughing my rear end off at Dr. Julian Bashir, trained doctor in the greatest medical establishment ever created, casually talking to Dax about Garak's medical history. That seems like a massive security issue. I guess in the future nobody gives a poo poo about personal medical issues and doctor-patient confidentiality.
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They probably don't have doctor-patient confidentiality on Cardassia so Bashir figured Garak wouldn't mind. 
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Pakled posted:They probably don't have doctor-patient confidentiality on Cardassia so Bashir figured Garak wouldn't mind. Probably, it's just such a stupid and unnecessary scene when the producers could have had Bashir say the same thing as a monologue into a personal log or talking to one of his assistants/nurses/non depeartment head doctors instead of to Dax in a very public place
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Duckbag posted:Did that alarm clock have a nuclear reactor instead of a battery? Because, if not, this is a bad metaphor. Yeah, that's true--if someone found it and recognized it as advanced tech and took it to a lab and they meticulously and rigorously analyzed it. More likely: someone would find it, fiddle with it, couldn't get it to do more than chirp and light up, and toss it in a drawer or the garbage.
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Blade_of_tyshalle posted:I remember when I found an old alarm clock and, after some study, I built a nuclear bomb. Hey, if there was radium in the glow-in-the-dark paint on the clock face...
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MrJacobs posted:Whats funny is that it becomes a good episode if it was a phaser or maguffin that will explode and kill a bunch of poo poo so there is a huge reason for needing to go back for it since the consequences would be dire for the natives. I like the episode, but it is stupid as poo poo for all the reasons you described. McSpanky posted:Hey, if there was radium in the glow-in-the-dark paint on the clock face... 
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I don't really buy that Data could get conked on the head so hard that he forgets who he is and what radioactive means but he's still able to function. His programming could access the universal translator and the meanings of a bunch of words but not the meaning of "radioactive"?
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If that episode was made today that goddamned song would have played at some point.
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Robot amnesia works just like human amnesia, which is always depicted in a medically realistic manner
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MrJacobs posted:Probably, it's just such a stupid and unnecessary scene when the producers could have had Bashir say the same thing as a monologue into a personal log or talking to one of his assistants/nurses/non depeartment head doctors instead of to Dax in a very public place Bashir just has really lovely medical ethics. He has romantic relationships with his patients on multiple occasions, for instance
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Tsaedje posted:Bashir just has really lovely medical ethics. He has romantic relationships with his patients on multiple occasions, for instance Like when he fell in love with that broke brained augmented girl. Then to not be in a relationship with him, she decided to break her brain again.
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I would have liked to see Data malfunction a lot more in that episode. Like, his translator works 95% of the time, but he randomly lapses out of it and starts speaking exclusively in Cantonese or something for 30 seconds. Same with his fine motor skills, or his ability to discern causal relationships. You know, anything that would be funny and/or horrific for a robot to momentarily lapse out of.
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Railing Kill posted:I would have liked to see Data malfunction a lot more in that episode. Like, his translator works 95% of the time, but he randomly lapses out of it and starts speaking exclusively in Cantonese or something for 30 seconds. Same with his fine motor skills, or his ability to discern causal relationships. You know, anything that would be funny and/or horrific for a robot to momentarily lapse out of. They could have easily fit that into the episode. All the people think he's possessed by the devil because he sometimes freaks out and speaks gibberish or his limbs go all crazy. Instead we got "haha it's amnesia but now a robot has it!"
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CountFosco posted:It's possible that the communicators use quantum entanglement to transmit information instantaneously Entanglement doesn't transmit information 
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Data Graham posted:Robot amnesia works just like human amnesia, which is always depicted in a medically realistic manner It was an accidental activation of the subroutine that allows Data to be donkey-punched. It's part of being "fully functional". 
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Rhyno posted:If that episode was made today that goddamned song would have played at some point. This reminds me of one of the more surprising but somehow not-surprising moments in that Star Trek 50 book. During discussion about Enterprise, it was mentioned that after UPN was under new management, studio execs were trying to get boy bands to do guest spots on the show, maybe do a live performance. One writer's response was "Where?"
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Fire all studio execs into the sun
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MrL_JaKiri posted:Entanglement doesn't transmit information Then how does Commander Shepherd communicate with Admiral Hackett, clever-clogs? 
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Mass Effect also gets Qubits wrong for that communication thing
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MrL_JaKiri posted:Mass Effect also gets Qubits wrong for that communication thing 
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TheBigAristotle posted:This reminds me of one of the more surprising but somehow not-surprising moments in that Star Trek 50 book. I want everyone to remember this the next time someone tries to defend or rationalize studio executives' behavior. They do not deserve to be defended and they are the reason we can' have nice things.
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