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Gort posted:Your objections are dumb and come across as straw-clutching in defense of Nazis. The anti-Nazi laws work perfectly fine in Germany, and your objection of "well maybe Trump will make a law that says good people are bad and lock them up" is infantile. If you only made laws that could not be altered to be bad laws, you would make no laws. If comparisons to other countries worked on Americans they wouldn't have dogshit healthcare and education, so this tactic just isn't going to work
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OddObserver posted:I think it helps that Germany has a parliamentary system in which the crazies go for something like AfD --- in shockingly high numbers, but it means the CDU doesn't have them as their base the way GOP does. That is a good point. If they can win 2 or 3 insignificant seats in parliament from which to howl at the moon, that could be the outlet for racist shits over there. Over here, the racists who aren't satisfied with being winked and nodded at can march while waving swastika flags as their "hear us, we matter, white power!" outlet. edit: and yes, Nazi bans would never be tolerated here. That would ironically be un-American.
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Rigel posted:gently caress You 
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I didn't think there would be consequences for being a Nazi in public!
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Groovelord Neato posted:i am correct and he would be incorrect. We don't construct governmental institutions that only work properly when people with correct views are in charge. That's kind of a lot of the problems we've been running into with the current administration. Everything you correctly think applies to nazis Jeff Sessions incorrectly thinks applies to BLM.
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Rigel posted:gently caress You Yeah so when this is the official response when neo Nazis literally kill innocents then Nazis no longer need anyone to go to bat for their rights to organize and speak
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Gort posted:And the far right is in power. You have a rapist for a president. Which is why your argument of "we shouldn't care what the far-right does with these laws" is bad. Yes, they're going to pull poo poo with existing laws. But setting up a framework specifically designed to let the government decide that certain symbols/names/phrases can be outlawed seems really loving disastrous when most Americans would nod silently when BLM or antifa organizations are added to the list. Shouting "but the system already is against them" is not an answer to "don't give the system more power over them". This is not a legislative fight. This is about education and awareness, and as long as most Americans are happy to say "both sides are bad" about antifa and fa, laws won't help.
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Old Kentucky Shark posted:Everything you correctly think applies to nazis Jeff Sessions incorrectly thinks applies to BLM. no, he knows it doesn't. he just hates black people. when they say blm is just as bad as nazis they are lying to justify their hatred. they know it isn't true. do you think the nazis really thought the jews were secretly ultrapowerful?
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JawKnee posted:there is no chance I'm reading that huge screed at 1am p.s. gently caress this thread moves incredibly fast.
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Old Kentucky Shark posted:We don't construct governmental institutions that only work properly when people with correct views are in charge. That's kind of a lot of the problems we've been running into with the current administration. Sessions doesn't "incorrectly think" anything. He wants to hurt black people, he just can't explicitly say he does. Southern strategy, friend of the family friend of the family niggers etc. Someone post the quote please.
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Party Plane Jones posted:
For whatever reason, this was the morning I woke up and checked the PPJ tweet summary and just cried. I guess it had to happen eventually.
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skeleton warrior posted:Which is why your argument of "we shouldn't care what the far-right does with these laws" is bad. I strongly encourage Nazis to proudly wear their swastikas in public. Makes it much easier for police (and employers) to keep an eye on them.
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Groovelord Neato posted:no, he knows it doesn't. he just hates black people. JEsus, yes, some did. Lots in the rank and file did. Lots of Americans don't pay attention to politics as anything more than a tv in the background on Fox News or their friend who's a ditto head and have fully swallowed some idea that BLM is a terrorist organization because they're only in the news when cops get shot and also they're filled with colored people and we all know how THEY are. Does Rush Limbaugh really believe BLM is a terrorist organization? I don't know, but most of his audience truly does.
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Rigel posted:gently caress You WhiteHouse literally will not denounce actual Nazis, including the one that ran people over with a car. The Nazis know this is a wink and nod at them, even their newsletter the DailyStormer is pointing out how Trump is on their side because of the coded words he is using
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The Failing New York Times.
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Koalas March posted:Sessions doesn't "incorrectly think" anything. He wants to hurt black people, he just can't explicitly say he does. Southern strategy, friend of the family friend of the family niggers etc. Lee Atwater posted:…you start out in 1954 by saying friend of the family, friend of the family, friend of the family. By 1968 you can’t say friend of the family, that hurts, there’s a backlash, so you say stuff like forced busing, states rights and all that stuff. And you’re getting so abstract now, you’re talking about cutting taxes, and all of these things you’re talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is, blacks get hurt worse than whites. And subconsciously maybe that is part of it, I’m not saying it. Drifter fucked around with this message at 17:00 on Aug 13, 2017 |
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Old Kentucky Shark posted:We don't construct governmental institutions that only work properly when people with correct views are in charge. That's kind of a lot of the problems we've been running into with the current administration. I would also like to add, poo poo like this is another reason to listen to minority voices. We been saying Sessions knows what he does and is racist af, but no one listens and you've got people out here in the year of our dread lord 2017, who (seem to) genuinely think that Sessions guy is just wrong or misguided.
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Koalas March posted:Sessions doesn't "incorrectly think" anything. He wants to hurt black people, he just can't explicitly say he does. Southern strategy, friend of the family friend of the family niggers etc. You should be a D&D mod, dammit. Lee Atwater posted:You start out in 1954 by saying, “friend of the family, friend of the family, friend of the family.” By 1968 you can't say “friend of the family” — that hurts you. Backfires. So you say stuff like forced busing, states' rights and all that stuff. You're getting so abstract now [that] you're talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you're talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is [that] blacks get hurt worse than whites. And subconsciously maybe that is part of it. I'm not saying that. But I'm saying that if it is getting that abstract, and that coded, that we are doing away with the racial problem one way or the other. You follow me — because obviously sitting around saying, “We want to cut this,” is much more abstract than even the busing thing, and a hell of a lot more abstract than “friend of the family, friend of the family.”
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"Slippery slope, slippery slope!" i continue to insist as i slowly shrink and transform into a mound of ashes
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Rigel posted:I strongly encourage Nazis to proudly wear their swastikas in public. Makes it much easier for police (and employers) to keep an eye on them. Problem is that you then realize that it's fair number of police and employers wearing those swastikas.
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skeleton warrior posted:You should be a D&D mod, dammit. Start a write in campaign! please don't do this the admins have enough to deal with
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skeleton warrior posted:Which is why your argument of "we shouldn't care what the far-right does with these laws" is bad. "We shouldn't make any laws because what if the far-right gets in power and changes them to be bad" is a stick you can use to beat any good law with. "What if Trump flips income tax so the rich pay 10% and the poor pay 90%" is not a good argument against progressive taxation, and "What if Trump flips anti-Nazi laws so they ban those who oppose Nazis" is not a good argument against hate-speech legislation.
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Sephyr posted:Problem is that you then realize that it's fair number of police and employers wearing those swastikas. It'll let police keep an eye on them so they can pat them on the back when they brutalize a minority
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Just imagine being him at any point in his life. Would literally rather just be dead
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skeleton warrior posted:JEsus, yes, some did. Lots in the rank and file did. Lots of Americans don't pay attention to politics as anything more than a tv in the background on Fox News or their friend who's a ditto head and have fully swallowed some idea that BLM is a terrorist organization because they're only in the news when cops get shot and also they're filled with colored people and we all know how THEY are. Does Rush Limbaugh really believe BLM is a terrorist organization? I don't know, but most of his audience truly does. they think this because rush et all tell them so. most nazis hated jews, they didn't think they secretly ran the world. saying that poo poo is cover for hatred because you need some kind of "genuine" excuse.
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Orange Devil posted:The Failing New York Times. gently caress I may have to cancel my sub. But I'm still going to pay for the crossword 
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Randler posted:The Nazis (as in the actual National Socialist Party) weren't much of a unified movement in the beginning either. But there were other movements in the general right-wing area, so ultimately they could all join forces and become unified because they weren't challenged enough at a time while they were still weak and unorganized. (It probably didn't help that the far-left back in Weimar was extremely happy to sabotage the Weimar republic as well and considered the SPD a more important fascist target than the nazis.) In case anyone is doing some reading on nazis history and is confused why the far-left might consider the SPD a more important target than the nazis, it's because the SPD murdered the far-left leadership about 10 years prior.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:McMaster might be the one dude who is capable of standing up to Trump so I can't poo poo on him too hard. Mattis also exists. And conceivably Kelly, although he's a shitbag in other ways and also is likely to get fired if he 
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Reportedly the last words written on facebook by that woman who was murdered by the nazi were: "If you're not outraged, you're not paying attention."
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mattis is a war criminal and kelly is a racist fucktard i don't care if they can stand up to trump. i'm not trading one pile of garbage for another.
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Groovelord Neato posted:mattis is a war criminal and kelly is a racist fucktard i don't care if they can stand up to trump. i'm not trading one pile of garbage for another. Trading one pile of garbage for another is literally what success looks like at the moment, however.
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Groovelord Neato posted:they think this because rush et all tell them so. I think some of the dumber ones actually believe the poo poo they spew, and a lot of the "smarter" ones kind of half-believe it, like they realize it's all bullshit but they hate the Jews or blacks anyway so they'll let the idea they're globalist overlords or violent brutal protesting criminals or whatever stew in the back of their minds. Alex Jones is dumb as hell, for example, and basically spews anti-Semitic poo poo nonstop but it seems like he kinda does actually think the Jewish mafia runs the NWO or whatever. I think these people surround themselves with so much bullshit that even their dumb logically inconsistent views become earnestly held
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Pembroke Fuse posted:The two most notable I can remember are: Thanks.
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DaveWoo posted:Similarly, the Wall Street Journal also came out with an embarrassing editorial this weekend about how liberals are obsessed with identity politics. ah weird i didn't know the gbs hivemind wrote for the WSJ, neat
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Arrgytehpirate posted:Nazi's ruin everything. I was supposed to work from like, 9-3 today, now I'll be working like 2-10 because I have to cover a vigil tonight for the girl that died in Charlottesville. I had plans. God dammit nazis. Some of my high school friends organized that, and I was seriously giving a lot of thought to going myself. To answer someone else's question (I know this was several pages ago): yes, it's in town right next to the downtown pedestrian mall. F_Shit_Fitzgerald fucked around with this message at 17:11 on Aug 13, 2017 |
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GreyjoyBastard posted:Mattis also exists. The events of yesterday have proven that Kelly is absolutely worthless; he's either unable or unwilling to control Trump's worst instincts.
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