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MaxxBot posted:If propositions are a bad way to pass laws then why didn't their Dem supermajority state government act to make these changes instead? Especially with regards to drug possession charges, I don't see any excuse why they couldn't have made those changes legislatively. The reason I brought up that propositions can be a terrible way to pass laws was because you appeared to be making the argument that because Jerry Brown/California Democrats did not support the Prop 47, that means they are lovely on criminal justice reform and not actually progressive. Ignoring the fact many democrats did support prop 47, I was trying to point out that this line of thinking is flawed because often times there are legit progressive arguments to be made in opposition to a progressive proposition (see Prop 61 for a recent example of this). One reason why Prop 47 isn't great for examining California Dem's positions on criminal justice and prison reform issues (at least in this context) is because many of the internet news articles from that time are already 404'd. However, on that same Ballotpedia page there is a quote from The Bakersfield Californian: quote:Recently, the Legislature made a timid effort to revise charging and sentencing in California. Gov. Jerry Brown vetoed the bill, noting his administration is scheduled to issue a comprehensive report and recommendations for reforming the system next year. Voters should reject Proposition 47 in November and give the governor a chance to recommend reforms. So, not knowing the full details of what happened in this situation, there is evidence that Jerry Brown was pushing for criminal justice reform but wanted to wait until the 2015 to do so.
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Progressive JPEG posted:If you're really serious about this secession bullshit then why don't you just move to California: The Country I have (temporarily). I'm there right now. I haven't seen anything that makes me leap to recommend it over. Let's just pretend we seceded, then won the inevitable war, and proceed directly to Reconstruction.
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Feb 6, 2017 20:06
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the best argument against secessionism is that if we don't do it before 2018, gavin newsom is going to be our president and gently caress that
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Feb 6, 2017 20:08
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I'm surprised that Jerry Brown isn't for secession considering that would give him at least one more term.
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Feb 6, 2017 20:15
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Oh jesus christ https://twitter.com/RMac18/status/828698295241281537
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Feb 6, 2017 23:18
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The Daywalker is already looking for Thiel. I don't think running for governor is very wise...too high profile.
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Feb 6, 2017 23:52
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Megaman's Jockstrap posted:The Daywalker is already looking for Thiel. I don't think running for governor is very wise...too high profile. He would rule from a floating city in international waters. Young blood would be brought to him, assuring his immortal reign.
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Feb 6, 2017 23:56
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Doc Hawkins posted:I have (temporarily). I'm there right now. I haven't seen anything that makes me leap to recommend it over. I'm also currently there  I'm liking the idea of minimum four weeks vacation + 11 public holidays. As a programmer I'd be making less compared to the bay area (and I'd likely be dealing with either renting or selling the house there too) but anywhere in the country I'd still be making quite above if not double the median, and from running the numbers my taxes would drop 10-20% even at my current income. But aside from finances there's: What qualifies as front page news is an honest debate of where the children's section in a newly remodeled library should go, and thoughts about experimenting with an up-front deposit for new immigrants which would cover the up-front cost of services they use, to then be refunded if they stick around for a year. Meanwhile the national fiber rollout has covered most of the cities and now it's more a question of which rural communities should be targeted next. Heavy traffic means an extra 5-10 minutes, and if I drove an hour from the largest city I'd be able to clearly see the milky way. But beyond all that I've yet to meet anyone, whether a waitress, startup CEO, bank clerk, or bus driver, who doesn't seem genuinely content with their life. At this point money isn't everything, and it feels like this would be a better move than sitting around waiting for the US to complete its transition to a fascism, if or when Bannon's wet dream of another terrorist attack comes to fruition. Anyway it's a cool place to visit, and despite the flight duration there's hardly any jet lag as it's only 3 hours off from Pacific time.
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Feb 7, 2017 03:47
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Isn't their real estate market pretty nuts over there right now? The problem with any place affordable and desirable to live is that it stays neither for very long,especially if Thiel and Musk's Covens start roosting there during the new moon.
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TheBalor posted:I also find it hard to believe, as an Oregonian, that any exit of California wouldn't result in Oregon and Washington fleeing right after, holding onto California's coattails. While California might be pressed for water without the Colorado river, those two states together should have more than enough water resources to make up the shortfall.
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Panfilo posted:Isn't their real estate market pretty nuts over there right now? The problem with any place affordable and desirable to live is that it stays neither for very long,especially if Thiel and Musk's Covens start roosting there during the new moon. Auckland (NZ's take on LA) is currently a mess but the rest (incl Wellington, NZ's take on SF) isn't as bad. They apparently hadn't accounted for a bunch of Kiwis all migrating back from Australia over the last few years so there's a housing shortage across the board. But unlike most of CA, NZ haven't been spending the last 4 decades inventing reasons to avoid building anything whatsoever, and as such it feels like they're simply treating housing as just the next thing to apply effort towards solving. But to be clear the scale of the issue in Auckland is nowhere near as bad as e.g. the bay area. I had been pricing places in Auckland and found that ~550NZD/wk => ~1750USD/mo would get a 2 bedroom single family home, dogs allowed, in a nice area, with a 30 minute train ride to downtown. Totally unconscionable! Who would think this is reasonable?!? But that said, given that NZ is 10% larger than the UK but with 1/14th the population, that does feel pretty high.
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I would love to move to Wellington or almost anywhere in NZ that was not Auckland. I work at a wireless ISP / data center, maybe I am skilled enough to find a job. I know very soon people will be fleeing this sinking ship of the American Empire and nice places like NZ will just most likely shut their doors.
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Feb 9, 2017 06:50
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A buddy and their spouse live in Auckland and love the poo poo out of it. NZ is pretty dope.
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If anyone wants to laugh at republicans making GBS threads themselves, check out the posts by the Department of Water Resources on facebook. Apparently there is a giant conspiracy by DWR and the Orville dam will fail any second. "I'M NO ENGINEER BUT,," quote:Funny that two weeks ago a friend warned me not to go near that dam when it rains. She said she has personally seen cracks in the dam itself (over twenty years ago) and they have been covering it up. quote:Meanwhile..residents are waiting for someone to tell them to evacuate..lol..dummies evacuate while you are ahead..dont trust these cats DWR posted:Despite rumors, Oroville Dam spillway has not collapsed. Additional damage to the spillway has occurred due to the increased flows, but is still being used. quote:Repair our Dams no train bullet quote:Every where is flooding i know what the echo system needs more water! quote:DWR are liars.they have no clue quote:drat they are stupid for opening it back up gonna be all bad here soon watch an see quote:DWR says there is no threat to the dam or public. They are the LAST people I would ever trust. If I lived in Oroville, Yuba City, Marysville, or anywhere along the Feather River I would stay the weekend elsewhere.
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Feb 10, 2017 17:45
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They're getting confused because the Oroville spillway IS eroding badly and falling apart. But that's just a concrete channel that the water flows down. The dam itself is fine. http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-oroville-spillway-damage-20170209-story.html
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Feb 10, 2017 17:49
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The Wiggly Wizard posted:If anyone wants to laugh at republicans making GBS threads themselves, check out the posts by the Department of Water Resources on facebook. Apparently there is a giant conspiracy by DWR and the Orville dam will fail any second. I think leaving Yuba City and Marysville is always good advice.
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Feb 10, 2017 18:00
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Megaman's Jockstrap posted:They're getting confused because the Oroville spillway IS eroding badly and falling apart. But that's just a concrete channel that the water flows down. The dam itself is fine. I know it's superficially scary, but all of these hicks yelling "Get A BRAIN! MORANS" are really funny to me.
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Shbobdb posted:We're disrupting the inefficient governmental military market. Have you seen how inefficient the government-run military is? Plus we have thousands of tanks out in Mojave, just waiting to be used Small White Dragon posted:I'm more curious as to what new states would result from such a bumblefuck. West Virginia split off from Virginia when it left the union. There are large chunks of California and Oregon that would love the opportunity to form a new state. The 51st state, West Idaho The Glumslinger fucked around with this message at 22:22 on Feb 10, 2017 |
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Anyone got a lead on protesting the immigration raids this weekend? Having a hard time finding something in Los Angeles
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Markorjoshua posted:Anyone got a lead on protesting the immigration raids this weekend? Having a hard time finding something in Los Angeles Check and see if CHIRLA has anything organized. Also, there was some demonstrating yesterday near the Metropolitan Detention Center over by Alameda near Union Station.
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Uh... this is bad, right? https://twitter.com/CA_DWR/status/830940227908677633
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It's probably some serious flooding, but it's not the dam failing and a wall of water sweeping the Feather River clean like most of the news articles seems to want so badly.
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Absurd Alhazred posted:Uh... this is bad, right? Well that's egg on MY face!
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How does a California department not have a verified Twitter, though? Shameful.
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Feb 13, 2017 02:12
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Also  @ the twitter responses blaming this on illegal immigrants.
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withak posted:It's probably some serious flooding, but it's not the dam failing and a wall of water sweeping the Feather River clean like most of the news articles seems to want so badly. Imagine the complete clusterfuck if this happened and Trump tried to play games with disaster relief aid because California. Never mind that the people getting wet are mostly Republicans.
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:Imagine the complete clusterfuck if this happened and Trump tried to play games with disaster relief aid because California. Never mind that the people getting wet are mostly Republicans. They were talking about how a bunch of other nearby reservoirs are at 95-98% full, and they're trying to figure out whether those need to start holding back water to reduce the flooding This is gonna get worse next week
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Gawddamn watching Oroville Spillway made me  . 150,000 cubic feet of water blasting out of a set of sluice gates is like a really, really high pressure sand blaster. The amount of hillside they've washed away because of the decision to continue to use the spillway is tremendous. The entire downstream is going to be silted all to gently caress because, in addition to several million tons of water, you're also adding in several hundred tons of hillside dirt. The downstream dam (who's name I can't remember) is going to lose several years of usable life because of all the extra silt that's going to accumulate behind it.It's funny to think that last year was a totally average water year. This year has been absolutely exceptional. I don't think there's a dam in California that's not above 80% capacity right now. What's really poo poo is that it's going to make the argument for more dams (which there really should not be) that much stronger.
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A White Guy posted:Gawddamn watching Oroville Spillway made me somebody in the OSHA thread found the geology report and theres bedrock 30ft under the spillway so at least theres a limit the silt, albeit a high one
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The Glumslinger posted:They were talking about how a bunch of other nearby reservoirs are at 95-98% full, and they're trying to figure out whether those need to start holding back water to reduce the flooding Glad my folks live in the Grass Valley area so they're above all this bullshit. Then again I'm in San Diego so when Putin detonates the mineshaft he's building into the San Andreas and escapes cackling aboard a blimp I'm gonna slide into the Pacific along with the rest of the coastal elite.
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withak posted:It's probably some serious flooding, but it's not the dam failing and a wall of water sweeping the Feather River clean like most of the news articles seems to want so badly. The "emergency spillway" is just the muddy side of a hill. When it "fails" that means that erosion has set in, so unless it has some big contiguous granite boulders, you could see some serious issues.
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A White Guy posted:Gawddamn watching Oroville Spillway made me They literally don't have a choice, the emergency spillway (aka the one they are worried about) is just a ridge covered in concrete below the dam height. If the water rises high enough, they can't prevent it from going over the emergency spillway
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TildeATH posted:The "emergency spillway" is just the muddy side of a hill. When it "fails" that means that erosion has set in, so unless it has some big contiguous granite boulders, you could see some serious issues. The emergency spillway is literally the 'oh poo poo if this goes any higher the dam will blow out'. It's not meant to be a true spillway, it's meant to be a literal emergency release valve. They're still using the regular spillway because the alternatives are 'erode the hillside a lot' or 'really erode the hillside a lot'.
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Dredge all the silt, dump into into San Francisco Bay and build I'm gonna go start raising capital for this scheme. I call it Dredgr Islandr.
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Reservoirs near me are still low ~18%. But they were at 1% before the rains started.
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Was there any prior indication that the spillway (the original failure) was possibly going to fail? Of course there are the legions of idiots that are going, "lol spend money to fix your dams not make trains or illegals!!!" But, if there was no call to fix anything months/years ago, then that wouldn't actually do anything.
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HelloSailorSign posted:Was there any prior indication that the spillway (the original failure) was possibly going to fail? Of course there are the legions of idiots that are going, "lol spend money to fix your dams not make trains or illegals!!!" But, if there was no call to fix anything months/years ago, then that wouldn't actually do anything. We've known the flood control infrastructure around Sacramento has needed major overhauling for years. The problem is that it's a really loving big job that costs a lot and nobody really wanted to actually step up and deal with it. Here's a useful illustration of the problem: 
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A White Guy posted:The emergency spillway is literally the 'oh poo poo if this goes any higher the dam will blow out'. It's not meant to be a true spillway, it's meant to be a literal emergency release valve. They're still using the regular spillway because the alternatives are 'erode the hillside a lot' or 'really erode the hillside a lot'. Losing 30 feet of Lake Oroville at its peak would be pretty catastrophic. I love how twitter has devolved into THE DAM IS FAILING, SACRAMENTO GONNA WASH INTO THE SEA, and LOL CALIFORNIA LIBTARDS THIS IS WHAT YOU GET FOR NOT VOTING FOR TRUMP. Anyone know who to listen to for realtime updates?
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TildeATH posted:Losing 30 feet of Lake Oroville at its peak would be pretty catastrophic. http://www.kcra.com/nowcast
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TildeATH posted:Anyone know who to listen to for realtime updates? There's an @Oroville_Dam that's been pretty good. Vincent Van Goatse posted:We've known the flood control infrastructure around Sacramento has needed major overhauling for years. The problem is that it's a really loving big job that costs a lot and nobody really wanted to actually step up and deal with it. Interesting, I expected as much.
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