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X-O posted:Oh man I forgot about that one. It's unfortunate how that went down and that it made it to press, but actually how it got put in there is a pretty funny story. drat fax machines. This was the first I've heard of it so I googled it and the first result refers to it as the 'racial slur variant,' which is probably not what Marvel should make their next series of variants after they get bored with the hip-hop thing.
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Rochallor posted:This was the first I've heard of it so I googled it and the first result refers to it as the 'racial slur variant,' which is probably not what Marvel should make their next series of variants after they get bored with the hip-hop thing. The original story as I remember was a comical series of a late writer switch, rewrites, and late deadlines all capped off with a late copy of it being mangled by a fax so that the word killer showed up as what was printed.
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X-O posted:The original story as I remember was a comical series of a late writer switch, rewrites, and late deadlines all capped off with a late copy of it being mangled by a fax so that the word killer showed up as what was printed. After some initial writer roulette, Larry Hama took over the book with issue 31 and wrote drat near every issue from then until issue 118. 31-118 were written by Larry Hama. 119-122 were by Warren Ellis, who kicked off his longstanding tradition of doing a short run and then bouncing. 123-124 were two glorified inventory stories by Tom DeFalco (and Denys Cowan/Bill Sienkiewicz) 125 was meant to be the Triumphant Return of Chris Claremont with the SHOCK STORY OF HOW WOLVERINE WAS ACTUALLY MARRIED TO VIPER!!!! Claremont hastily left the book four issues later. 129-131 was Todd Dezago trying to wrap up Claremont's plotlines, and two and a half issues in HE left the book for whatever reason, leaving a fresh faced rookie Brian K Vaughn (in his fifth Marvel assignment) to finish scripting the book. This is where THE KIKE CALLED SABRETOOTH came in. This didn't hurt BKV's career in the long run, but 132 was handed to veteran X-cleanup dude Fabian Niceza to for-real wrap up Claremont's dangling plot threads. 133-149 was written by Erik Larsen of all people. 150-153 launched X-MEN REVOLUTION, which was one of those "we're going to announce all new awesome lineups for all of our books" things, where Steve Skroce wrote and drew the book, but that was just a four-issue prelude to 154-157 featuring ROB LIEFELD WRITING AND DRAWING THE BOOK ALL BY HIMSELF, except for the parts written by Eric Stephenson and the majority of the pages drawn by Ian Churchill 158 was a fill-in by Joe Pruett trying to make Zaran of Batroc's Brigade into a stone cold badass 159-176 let Frank "Fuckin" Tieri settle into a groove for a run that featured MISTER X, Wolverine repeatedly getting his eyes gouged out, and for no clear reason a bunch of pretty nice JH Williams III covers. 177-180 was an arc by Matt Nixon, best known ("best" "known") as the co-writer of the indie book Ant, which asks what would happen if a giant lady ant had huge breasts and rear end? 181-186 was a victory lap from Frank Tieri where he reminded us that Garth Ennis is a weenie and Punisher is probably some kinda closet homo case, you know what I mean bro? 187-189 was Daniel Way trying out his HHH style for Wolverine Origins So after 88 issues by Larry Hama, the next 71 were spread out amongst fourteen writers, and aside from some fun art, some below-replacement-level Ellis mercenary work, and a racial slur, there's basically nothing worth remembering in the entire run.
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Edge & Christian posted:a bunch of pretty nice JH Williams III covers. Nice. Just lemme check that run... 
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Watching people flip out about a Quran verse they don't understand is both entertaining and sad. Also watching hundreds of people collect as many copies of a book as they can, because if every copy is kept pristine surely they'll all be worth something someday. Edit- also the really ridiculous interpretations of what is basically a shoutout to local current events. I don't want to make it a big thing in BSS but... fadam posted:It's pretty funny how comics Twitter went nuts about Spider-Woman's butt, but nobody of any note is saying anything one way or the other about literal open religious intolerance. Referencing a verse from your own holy book isn't religious intolerance, hth. Harold Fjord fucked around with this message at 14:50 on Apr 10, 2017 |
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Nevvy Z posted:Watching people flip out about a Quran verse they don't understand is both entertaining and sad. Also watching hundreds of people collect as many copies of a book as they can, because if every copy is kept pristine surely they'll all be worth something someday. The interpretation of the verse as not having Christian or Jewish leaders is the religious intolerance.
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Nevvy Z posted:Watching people flip out about a Quran verse they don't understand is both entertaining and sad. Also watching hundreds of people collect as many copies of a book as they can, because if every copy is kept pristine surely they'll all be worth something someday. thinking emoji
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Mr Hootington posted:The interpretation of the verse as not having Christian or Jewish leaders is the religious intolerance. And it's especially bad in a book where the team leader is Jewish and one of the characters was a Catholic priest (kinda).
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Mr Hootington posted:The interpretation of the verse as not having Christian or Jewish leaders is the religious intolerance. If only that interpretation was remotely accurate!
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I chalk the buy rush to the way collectors' brains are wired. It's no different than something being labeled as "limited edition" except this time you know for a fact they're not gonna go back on that and print a bunch more. I honestly had the urge to go out and buy a copy, but then I, too, remembered how cheaply I was able to pick up a copy of The Kike Called Sabretooth. Even then, there's that little niggling feeling of "you'll never have the chance to get this agaaaain" as I remind myself I do not in fact care and there is next to zero chance a comic printed this century will ever be worth more than a couple times its purchase price.
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DivineCoffeeBinge posted:If only that interpretation was remotely accurate! Or present in the work! Diet Poison posted:I chalk the buy rush to the way collectors' brains are wired. It's no different than something being labeled as "limited edition" except this time you know for a fact they're not gonna go back on that and print a bunch more. I honestly had the urge to go out and buy a copy, but then I, too, remembered how cheaply I was able to pick up a copy of The Kike Called Sabretooth. Even then, there's that little niggling feeling of "you'll never have the chance to get this agaaaain" as I remind myself I do not in fact care and there is next to zero chance a comic printed this century will ever be worth more than a couple times its purchase price. It's interesting because the drive to collect and bag and preserve these valuable unique printings is what makes them worthless. Action comics #1 only has value because most people threw it away.
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Apr 10, 2017 16:36
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Come on guys he's not anti-semitic, he's anti-Christian.
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Apr 10, 2017 16:44
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Nevvy Z posted:Or present in the work!
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https://www.reddit.com/r/Marvel/comments/64bc6t/ardian_syaf_just_posted_this_defensive_post_on/ I love how the artist posted on Facebook about how he attended the 212 rally, and stated that it is what is being referenced. Yet, that's still not enough apparently.
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I love that the redditor felt that they had to explicitly replace "non-Muslim" with "non-white" to make people understand why it was bad. Are there really people that thick? Don't @ me.
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Endless Mike posted:I love that the redditor felt that they had to explicitly replace "non-Muslim" with "non-white" to make people understand why it was bad. Are there really people that thick? Don't @ me. Some people really need the emotional resonance of something that strikes close to home to 'get' why others are so passionate about something.
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DivineCoffeeBinge posted:If only that interpretation was remotely accurate! It's the interpretation the artist is using, which is the point.
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CharlestheHammer posted:It's the interpretation the artist is using, which is the point. Fair point; I guess I'd just like to see some nuance between "the artist is interpreting this passage in an intolerant way" and "the passage is inherently intolerant," which admittedly is probably a big ask given, y'know, the Internet. Mea culpa. EDIT: To note, I'm not trying to accuse any posters here of lacking nuance, just the conversation in general as I've been exposed to it over the last few days has been aggravating DivineCoffeeBinge fucked around with this message at 18:20 on Apr 10, 2017 |
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I mean any phrase that starts with "Don't trust Christians and Jews to..." is a little bit intolerant. Like even if it's "to watch your children when they're a convicted baby serial killer" would still raise the question of why you gotta specify religion.
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Endless Mike posted:I love that the redditor felt that they had to explicitly replace "non-Muslim" with "non-white" to make people understand why it was bad. Are there really people that thick? Don't @ me.  Like you have seen this right?
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site posted:In case anyone is interested G Willow Wilson put up a nice post on her tumblr about this Right before I heard about the X-Men scandal I came across a website of a friendship between Jews and Muslims advocacy group that says pretty much this. Ironically there's actually a verse of the Quran that instructs Muslims not to cherry pick the Quran.
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Lightning Lord posted:Ironically there's actually a verse of the Quran that instructs Muslims not to cherry pick the Quran. Wouldn't that be really easy to ignore if you're already cherry picking the Quran?
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Skwirl posted:Wouldn't that be really easy to ignore if you're already cherry picking the Quran? 
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Lightning Lord posted:Right before I heard about the X-Men scandal I came across a website of a friendship between Jews and Muslims advocacy group that says pretty much this.
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Nessus posted:Being a fundamentalist or an rear end in a top hat seems to be religion-agnostic, other than fringe details(Christians pluck their own eyes out way more often than other religious groups); cherry-picking your book of choice seems to be a key trait. Though fundies are interesting in that they cherrypick to avoid the parts of the Bible Jesus directly participated in.
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Yeah, the anti-feminist islamophobic militant atheists all over the net are pretty good evidence that you don't need to be religious to be a fundamentalist with really lovely ideas that contradict the works you claim to base your life on.
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They're also the ones who go "Why do you care about the wage gap or rape culture when MUSLIMS treat women way worse!" as if they actually care outside of making Muslims all seem like lovely people. Forget that Autocratic Theocracies are never very good for women, gays or minorities, no matter their religious beliefs.
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Anyone even remotely aware of this situation should realize that it is not something worth defending. It's loving vile.
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So, to confirm, just cause I'm not seeing it there, the artist has either left of his own accord or been fired. http://13thdimension.com/ardian-syaf-my-career-is-over-now/ quote:Hello, Worlds…
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I wonder if they'll take his name off the next few issues that are already completed. I would think not but this is a special case.
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Was Rat Queens on hiatus when Roc Upchurch was arrested/fired or did they have finished issues ready to go?
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Onmi posted:So, to confirm, just cause I'm not seeing it there, the artist has either left of his own accord or been fired. I'm betting he got fired, I just wonder if it's gonna delay any future issues he's already completed while they go over the art with a fine tooth comb. Edit, naw they'll just play it safe and have Greg Land redraw everything so they can get it out in time. Air Skwirl fucked around with this message at 01:53 on Apr 11, 2017 |
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Onmi posted:So, to confirm, just cause I'm not seeing it there, the artist has either left of his own accord or been fired. Marvel said they were taking disciplinary action and he's saying his career is over, gonna go with he was fired lol
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#2 ships out for next week, #3 is supposedly complete as well. Nobody can confirm if #4 is penciled yet.
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Aww. I love you too, Ardian 
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I appreciate that his parting message was one of good grace and attempted reconcilliation (kinda), but I grew up in a community divided by sectarianism and sectarian violence and I have zero patience for anyone inciting it. I won't say it often, but this was absolutely the right call on Marvel's part.
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Nilbop posted:I appreciate that his parting message was one of good grace and attempted reconcilliation (kinda), but I grew up in a community divided by sectarianism and sectarian violence and I have zero patience for anyone inciting it. I won't say it often, but this was absolutely the right call on Marvel's part. Any other move on Marvel's part and the issue would have blown up even bigger, I would imagine. Firing was the only way to go.
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the fact that his goodbye message still referred to his view of the quran verse interpretation in question as "JUSTICE" makes this sound like a 'sorry I got caught' thing
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