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K | 160 | 52.98% | |
M | 65 | 21.52% | |
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"We should jail parents for truancy even though data is limited on the reasons/root causes. Sure, most of who we are jailing are minorities and the poor for some reason, but do you really want to be soft on crime?" "Sorry, but fighting for $15 min wage would be bad because it might hurt ~~~***JOB CREATORS***~~~. No I don't have any proof, but I do know working 2-3 jobs to stay afloat is better than having no job. Oh, your kid is having issues with school because you barely scrape by and can barely afford or even have time to cook high nutrition meals? Now they drop out or avoid school due to low performance caused by sub-standard nutrition (or possibly untreated mental health issues)? Well hope you can take time off from one of your low-wage jobs to attend these support services or you're going to jail you monster!" Edit: loving beaten Edit2: This is also a good read -> https://oag.ca.gov/news/press-releases/attorney-general-kamala-d-harris-releases-2016-truancy-report-demonstrating Spoiler alert: Minorities, the poor, and specifically African American boys are the most absent and suspended. Also get a "Access Denied" page when trying to view what's supposed to be public info from the looks of it. BadOptics fucked around with this message at 05:31 on Aug 3, 2017 |
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JeffersonClay posted:now let me tell you about the noble child laborer and his equally noble parents Do you have an opinion on the continued existence of risky financial industry scams created with the aid of both R and D governments or not? Quit trying to change the subject to your faux concern for The Children dipshit.
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Lightning Lord posted:Where does goddamn child labor come into play here? If we don't jail people because their kids cut class, they're going to be put to work in workhouses? You're so disingenous Someone mentioned that kids might be getting punished for working instead of going to school, probably because they weren't paying close attention and didn't realize this law doesn't include high school aged kids. So now everyone in this thread but JC loves forced child slavery, sorry for your luck.
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# ? Aug 3, 2017 05:25 |
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Conversations like these really expose neoliberalism's complete inability to deal with social problems. This is because, according to neoliberals, society does not exist and a city, or state, or country is nothing but a collection of atomized individuals responding to individual incentives. Therefore if children are not going to school, it must be an individual failure on the part of the people responsible for sending the child to school: the parents. And so the theory goes, this can be resolved with positive punishment: put parents through our inhumane justice system and this will incentivize them to (somehow) get their child to school (if it does not, that's merely evidence the punishment isn't harsh enough; the theory can never be falsified). The underlying causes do not need to be examined, because it's all taken care of by the assumption of the atomic individual and his response to environmental stimulus. And even if someone does point out the correlation with poverty, well that's fine, because poverty too is an individual moral failure combined with a dearth of incentive to avoid poverty, and if we end up overwhelmingly jailing the poor for being poor so much the better because that will function as an additional incentive for them to stop being poor.
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Anyhoo just to have something to talk about other than Jefferson Clay trolling this thread by """pretending""" to be an amoral sociopath: In Trump will be good for unions news, he's making appointments to the National Labor Relations Board quote:As soon as this week, the Senate is likely to vote on Marvin Kaplan, the first of these two nominees. A former GOP Hill staffer, Kaplan drafted legislation—strongly supported by business lobby groups—which would have made it easier for employers to fight unionization campaigns. quote:Yet, while partisanship has shaped the NLRB’s decisions for quite a while, if Kaplan and Emanuel are confirmed, the Board will have a Republican majority for the first time in the post-Tea Party, take-no-prisoners era of GOP politics that began shortly after the Obamas moved into the White House.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4DE9fnPqpA TL/DR: Cory Booker introduces fantastic new Marijuana bill advocating for states' rights to legalize!* *because his biggest donors in the pharma industry are now looking into acquiring all of the smaller companies that open up in states that legalize.
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Kokoro Wish posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4DE9fnPqpA I'm shocked. SHOCKED! Wait, no I'm not.
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VitalSigns posted:Anyhoo just to have something to talk about other than Jefferson Clay trolling this thread by """pretending""" to be an amoral sociopath: Mecha Gojira posted:I'm shocked. SHOCKED!
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# ? Aug 3, 2017 06:34 |
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JeffersonClay posted:Let's go to south LA tomorrow and ask "in what way is your community different from, say, Haiti, I'm curious, is that a good comparison for me to be making?" and see how it goes.
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twodot posted:Ok, go do this and report back. If you're just posting nonsense, just post "I'm an idiot and put me ignore" and I'll do that. Just please pick one.
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# ? Aug 3, 2017 06:43 |
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gently caress, I had to click the link to make sure that was a loving real thing he posted. I sincerely thought you just threw that together as a joke.
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# ? Aug 3, 2017 06:46 |
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Nope, joke's on yall. He doesn't need to ask, he can channel the thoughts of people from photos of downtown LA and translate their life story into MSPaint color-coding.
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# ? Aug 3, 2017 06:50 |
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Mods move this thread to Helldump so it can flourish where it belongs please, thank you
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# ? Aug 3, 2017 06:53 |
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3wEc9uxKZI A group called The Yes Men, basically hung the DNC out in the open when one of them managed get into Politicon masquerading as a DNC representative. Now the DNC basically has to say "Yeah, we don't stand for any of what he said". Kokoro Wish fucked around with this message at 07:12 on Aug 3, 2017 |
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VitalSigns posted:Nope, joke's on yall. He doesn't need to ask, he can channel the thoughts of people from photos of downtown LA and translate their life story into MSPaint color-coding. I particularly like the implied idea that the homeless would benefit from lower wages, because it was clearly the overabundance of wealth in society that got them into their mess.
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# ? Aug 3, 2017 07:26 |
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Kokoro Wish posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3wEc9uxKZI Amazing, how can the organizers be so clueless as to not recognize possibly the most famous political trolls in the world, and allow them to participate in their event. Not that I'm complaining or anything.
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# ? Aug 3, 2017 07:30 |
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Your own version of the Chasers?
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# ? Aug 3, 2017 07:33 |
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Clearly, sending (black) parents to jail for having out-of-control (black) kids is the sort of thing you do in order to help them develop a non-criminal culture. That explains JC's position on this and I guess it explains the 600 or so posts ITT since this afternoon or whatever, but I'm sure as hell not going back to check.
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Kilroy posted:Clearly, sending (black) parents to jail for having out-of-control (black) kids is the sort of thing you do in order to help them develop a non-criminal culture. No, you basically nailed it.
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# ? Aug 3, 2017 07:48 |
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I'm suddenly becoming a fan of inquisitorial identity politics when it's turned out to be an incredibly useful tool to discredit liberal centrists, since they're seemingly all flaming hypocrites who refuse to take responsibility for their actions.
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# ? Aug 3, 2017 07:49 |
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Kokoro Wish posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3wEc9uxKZI Imagine being one of those people in the audience, hearing this and finding reason for hope and possibility. God that's depressing.
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# ? Aug 3, 2017 08:38 |
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Trabisnikof posted:She certainly could have reduced the number of prison slaves in California if she had wanted to do so. It seems insane to me to think it is fine to keep adding thousands of people into slavery but somehow stopping a few people from exiting slavery is much much worse. There's a distinction between charging people with offences punishable with time in prison, vs specifically arguing that people should not be released from prison since the state would then lose their forced labour contribution. In the first case, slavery is a side-effect, in the latter it's the whole point.
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Ornedan posted:There's a distinction between charging people with offences punishable with time in prison, vs specifically arguing that people should not be released from prison since the state would then lose their forced labour contribution. In the first case, slavery is a side-effect, in the latter it's the whole point. he wasn't arguing in good faith. he wanted to call me centrist cause he and yronic are really butthurt about that. he doesn't care about anything he was arguing for
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Kokoro Wish posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3wEc9uxKZI Holy poo poo lmao Seems like this kinda went under the radar. Was uploaded a few days ago and I'm just now hearing about it. The Ol Spicy Keychain fucked around with this message at 16:46 on Aug 3, 2017 |
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Kokoro Wish posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3wEc9uxKZI This is the most amazing thing I've seen all week.
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Kokoro Wish posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3wEc9uxKZI
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Kokoro Wish posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3wEc9uxKZI I wonder how many more times this has to happen before the usual suspects come out to complain about people torpedoing Democrats from the left since the status quo platform is impossible to change despite being unpopular.
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That video is such a great pallet cleanser. I'm only a few minutes in and it's already fantastic.
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It's kind of a bummer when the DNC has to come out and sheepishly admit they aren't changing anything big after losing the most embarrassing election in a century.
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Condiv posted:he wasn't arguing in good faith. he wanted to call me centrist cause he and yronic are really butthurt about that. he doesn't care about anything he was arguing for When I think of arguing in good faith I definitely think of this thread.
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Radish posted:It's kind of a bummer when the DNC has to come out and sheepishly admit they aren't changing anything big after losing the most embarrassing election in a century. It takes a certain amount of self-awareness to become embarrassed and even more so to make a change. Office Pig posted:Imagine being one of those people in the audience, hearing this and finding reason for hope and possibility. The DNC: Everything you hold dear is a loving joke to us. Make sure you vote! Egg Moron fucked around with this message at 15:22 on Aug 3, 2017 |
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I wish that my politics could be legitimately called centrist. That would mean the far right would be arguing that we need to keep Capitalism small and regulated enough to drown it in the bath tub and the far left would be pushing legislation to dismantle all unnecessary layers of hierarchy. I think that would be real loving dope.
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Iron Twinkie posted:I wish that my politics could be legitimately called centrist. That would mean the far right would be arguing that we need to keep Capitalism small and regulated enough to drown it in the bath tub and the far left would be pushing legislation to dismantle all unnecessary layers of hierarchy. I think that would be real loving dope.
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Kokoro Wish posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3wEc9uxKZI Edit: this isn’t c-spam. I love this so much. Are there any DNC reactions or are they just ignoring it?
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# ? Aug 3, 2017 15:48 |
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Iron Twinkie posted:I wish that my politics could be legitimately called centrist. That would mean the far right would be arguing that we need to keep Capitalism small and regulated enough to drown it in the bath tub and the far left would be pushing legislation to dismantle all unnecessary layers of hierarchy. I think that would be real loving dope. "I want to shrink the market down to the size where I can drown it in a bath tub." A party like that would produce a nice equilibrium
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Kokoro Wish posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3wEc9uxKZI this made my day, thank you!
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Kokoro Wish posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4DE9fnPqpA I think this is analysis is cynical in the wrong way. The democrats can be against the bad things now that they're out of power again; see how they pretended to be against war in 2006/08, or see how they pretend to be for single payer now. Booker probably knows that this will have no chance of passing but will earn him support from the base, particularly in the primary if he chooses to run, which admittedly is smarter than promising them nothing on the basis that you're not Trump
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Razputeen posted:I think this is analysis is cynical in the wrong way. The democrats can be against the bad things now that they're out of power again; see how they pretended to be against war in 2006/08, or see how they pretend to be for single payer now. Booker probably knows that this will have no chance of passing but will earn him support from the base, particularly in the primary if he chooses to run, which admittedly is smarter than promising them nothing on the basis that you're not Trump see also cali dems passing singlepayer a dozen times while schwarzenegger was gov, but now they block singlepayer bills now that they have super majorities and the gov
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# ? Aug 3, 2017 16:23 |
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Razputeen posted:I think this is analysis is cynical in the wrong way. The democrats can be against the bad things now that they're out of power again; see how they pretended to be against war in 2006/08, or see how they pretend to be for single payer now. Booker probably knows that this will have no chance of passing but will earn him support from the base, particularly in the primary if he chooses to run, which admittedly is smarter than promising them nothing on the basis that you're not Trump It worked for Trudeau.
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Razputeen posted:I think this is analysis is cynical in the wrong way. The democrats can be against the bad things now that they're out of power again; see how they pretended to be against war in 2006/08, or see how they pretend to be for single payer now. Booker probably knows that this will have no chance of passing but will earn him support from the base, particularly in the primary if he chooses to run, which admittedly is smarter than promising them nothing on the basis that you're not Trump I hate this thread for a lot of reasons, but that its made me aware of Single Issue Weed Voters is in the top... five? idk. i don't like thinking about it, really.
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