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proof of concept posted:Ah, the old David Sirlin dilemma. Holy poo poo, is this for real?
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^^^ in the sense that someone wrote that? Yes.Ariong posted:More specifically, it's called that because it's a weapon that doesn't require much skill but can still get a reasonable amount of kills, thus making the perfect weapon for new people who are still learning how the game works and how the maps are laid out and stuff like that. However, once you've accumulated some skills you're better off switching to one of the higher skill weapons. It's quite good game design, giving new players an option to be reasonably effective without being so effective that they won't move on to a new strategy. However, it's that very low-skill mid-reward aspect of it that makes a lot of assholes really mad when you get "cheap" kills with it. Cojawfee posted:Notice how the guy in that one video said "use a sniper rifle you human being." He thinks using a sniper rifle takes the most skill to get points with. He honestly believes that someone will look up his stats, see his points, then look at what weapon he used to get most of those points and say "Wow, all that with a sniper rifle? This guy is better than Jeff K himself!" The truth is that they all require skill to use effectively.
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Aug 14, 2013 02:36
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Sniper rifles in COD are a joke because all bullet-firing weapons are hitscan, so bullets have no travel time or anything like that where you'd actually have to have skill to snipe. If you can get your crosshair over someone with a sniper rifle, you can kill them. Sniping in COD is dumb. Conversely, it's also why sniper rifles are garbage in BF3, since it has bullet travel/bullet drop.
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Aug 14, 2013 02:49
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Dick Burglar posted:Man, the New Mexican Juggalo Mafia is some scary poo poo!!! If you get tracked down by a Juggalo through your IP address, you kinda deserve whatever he dishes out.
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Aug 14, 2013 03:16
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There does seem to be a mentality in Call of Duty players that you're apparently not allowed to use the vast majority of weapons, gadgets, perks, and attachments because they "require no skill" or are cheap or whatever. Want to know if something is on the list of dishonorable things? Do well in a match with anything that's not an SMG or assault rifle. The losing players will be very quick to inform you how bad you are at the game.
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Aug 14, 2013 03:32
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I really want to know where the whole "I'll trace your IP and come to your house and rape your mother" thing started. I'm glad they know enough to know an IP is a unique identifier that shows who someone is on the internet, but where did they get the idea that this directly correlates to a physical address? Sure, an ISP can take an IP, the time of the incident and figure out who had it, but even many courts don't accept this as proving someone used an IP. Not to mention a juggalo in New Mexico doesn't have access to these logs. Perhaps they think they can just hack the Gibson and get a full printout of the person's name and address and mother's preference for what hole she likes to be raped in. I enjoy being threatened with info I know more about than the person referencing it.
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Aug 14, 2013 03:40
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I know it's been around for at least 11-12 years. Back in Rogue Spear on MPlayer (later GameSpy) we used to have "real gangsters" that talked just like that when we would run around with poo poo weapons just to gently caress around. There was a third-person mode that if done right would allow you to peak around corners and stuff and good players could do it while moving. I got constantly called a cheater for that and shortly after would be followed with death threats and stuff. Also crouch+peak throwing grenades. Also surround sound for foot steps (more in R6-3). Basically anything that gives you any advantage, even as allowed by game rules, is going to have someone wanting you to die.
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Aug 14, 2013 03:58
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Dick Burglar posted:Sniper rifles in COD are a joke because all bullet-firing weapons are hitscan, so bullets have no travel time or anything like that where you'd actually have to have skill to snipe. If you can get your crosshair over someone with a sniper rifle, you can kill them. Sniping in COD is dumb. No, that aspect in the Battlefield games is the greatest thing, there's nothing worse than sniping a heli or a plane mid maneuver, and watching the mayhem that ensues. Also, ballistics calculation equates to literally being a "hackiing double nascar human being!" ponzicar posted:There does seem to be a mentality in Call of Duty players that you're apparently not allowed to use the vast majority of weapons, gadgets, perks, and attachments because they "require no skill" or are cheap or whatever. Want to know if something is on the list of dishonorable things? Do well in a match with anything that's not an SMG or assault rifle. The losing players will be very quick to inform you how bad you are at the game. Reminds me of the "Fox v Fox Final Destination no items" bullshit that ruined the fun mentality to any of the Smash games.
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Aug 14, 2013 04:08
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Mistle posted:No, that aspect in the Battlefield games is the greatest thing, there's nothing worse than sniping a heli or a plane mid maneuver, and watching the mayhem that ensues. Also, ballistics calculation equates to literally being a "hackiing double nascar human being!" Items are fun. That sort of mentality is bullshit, and proves that the person thinking it doesn't deserve nice things. Tryhards really is a word that needed to exist, and I'm glad it does.
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Aug 14, 2013 04:19
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ponzicar posted:There does seem to be a mentality in Call of Duty players that you're apparently not allowed to use the vast majority of weapons, gadgets, perks, and attachments because they "require no skill" or are cheap or whatever. Want to know if something is on the list of dishonorable things? Do well in a match with anything that's not an SMG or assault rifle. The losing players will be very quick to inform you how bad you are at the game. Then I call them out for being poo poo and instead of learning a lesson they ragequit.
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Aug 14, 2013 04:29
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Thumbtacks posted:There's a wow addon called Speakinspell, which will basically yell out (or some variation of communication) whatever you want when you activate a spell. This was, I assume, made so that when you activate Bloodlust or some kind of aoe healing, you can announce it to everyone. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lX-AtWquLo Here is a video. I had to turn audio off to preserve my sanity, but every time there's a message on-screen there's an absurdly loud airhorn-esque noise. I've got like a half hour of this nonsense. This was just trash, not even a boss.
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Aug 14, 2013 04:30
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Thumbtacks posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lX-AtWquLo Your silent video totally illuminates and explains your friend's sound-based grief. Thank you.
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Aug 14, 2013 04:38
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Hey, regarding Dark Business - does it always take place at night, and wouldn't it be in BluFor's best interests to assault OpFor right away, take the ammo truck, and do the exchange themselves?
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Aug 14, 2013 04:40
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Thumbtacks posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lX-AtWquLo Holy crap. I had no idea that he was sending that many messages. Blizzard needs to implement a buttbot as a summoned companion so that you can get layers of butt spam to complement the speakandspell spam.
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Aug 14, 2013 04:49
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rotinaj posted:Your silent video totally illuminates and explains your friend's sound-based grief. Thank you. Yes because without the sound it's barely noticeable.
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Aug 14, 2013 04:57
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Thumbtacks posted:Yes because without the sound it's barely noticeable. Such excellent creativity in spamming has been ruined by your inability to mute your speakers. Your are being mocked. Fascinating, isn't it?
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Aug 14, 2013 05:02
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Novum posted:Holy poo poo, is this for real? You'd better believe it. People have been raging over "cheapness" since before xbox live. The mentality of people like that cod juggalo guy and the behavior it leads to astonishes and amazes me.
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Aug 14, 2013 05:13
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Pittsburgh Lambic posted:In Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3, a rifle-mounted grenade launcher is commonly referred to as a "noob tube" because you're not supposed to use it or something. There should be a system where you can send videos like that to Microsoft so that they can see people are falsely sending hacking reports and get them banned.
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Aug 14, 2013 05:28
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If you can prove who is talking at the time, you can send it to Microsoft and get them banned for saying they will come to your house and murder you. Because that's actually illegal.
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Aug 14, 2013 05:33
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Gorilla Salad posted:There should be a system where you can send videos like that to Microsoft so that they can see people are falsely sending hacking reports and get them banned. I like this statement because it's the complete opposite of what really happens. Unrelated to the current topic but, in fact, more often than not, anybody reporting hackers gets punished and the hackers continue to play unabated. Because posting screenshots/videos about people breaking the rules in game on the game forums means you're shaming them and harassing them and you are totally not warranted in getting rid of a guy making a game unplayable ASAP  This happens constantly in MMOs as far as I'm aware, probably not World of Warcraft but definitely the smaller ones. The most I've seen it is with Nexon, and they have an amazingly sordid history (that is still continuing to this day) of griefing their customers that all of their players conveniently ignore, like when DFO was still up and running and people cheated to get to a meaningless PvP rank "Gladiator," so Nexon NA in their wisdom permabanned everyone who was that rank, including legitimate players, and never looked back.
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Aug 14, 2013 05:44
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Dick Burglar posted:Conversely, it's also why sniper rifles are garbage in BF3, since it has bullet travel/bullet drop. At launch, BF3 bolt action sniper rifles weren't like Bad Company 2's, where if you hit someone from within 15 - 25 feet (the distance varied per gun, with the weaker bolt actions having a farther ont hit drop off), it would be a one hit kill. This let you take any sniper rifle, throw a red dot on it, and do some serious damage if you didn't feel like being the wookie in the silver mountain. In BF3 this was removed so that you could only get a one hit kill at point blank by hitting them in the head. They changed it several patches down the line so that there was a chance it would be a one hit kill, but only some of the time. 
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Aug 14, 2013 05:52
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Lunethex posted:I like this statement because it's the complete opposite of what really happens. Unrelated to the current topic but, in fact, more often than not, anybody reporting hackers gets punished and the hackers continue to play unabated. Because posting screenshots/videos about people breaking the rules in game on the game forums means you're shaming them and harassing them and you are totally not warranted in getting rid of a guy making a game unplayable ASAP Actually, WoW doesn't take screenshots as proof either. On the other hand, Blizzard is (usually) pretty on the ball when it comes to keeping internal logs AND dealing out punishments for people that've done stuff like idling in battlegrounds and win-trading in arena. Granted, though, they tend to do it in waves (though if it's really egregious, they're usually a lot quicker with individuals), which gives gold farmers and their ilk plenty of time to gently caress over the realm's auction house.
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Aug 14, 2013 06:37
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The not taking screenshot as proof thing is kind of interesting as WoW watermarks screenshots with some embedded information.
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Aug 14, 2013 06:46
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Regalingualius posted:Actually, WoW doesn't take screenshots as proof either. On the other hand, Blizzard is (usually) pretty on the ball when it comes to keeping internal logs AND dealing out punishments for people that've done stuff like idling in battlegrounds and win-trading in arena. Granted, though, they tend to do it in waves (though if it's really egregious, they're usually a lot quicker with individuals), which gives gold farmers and their ilk plenty of time to gently caress over the realm's auction house. Most banning for hacks should happen in waves, if you ban as soon as you detect something then it's really easy for hack developers to figure out exactly how you're detecting things and to work around it. Of course this only really matters for automated bans, manual ones should usually go through as soon as you notice and confirm that it is hacking.
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Aug 14, 2013 06:53
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Of course, and I do agree with that. Even so, it's frustrating to sometimes see obviously hacked accounts making loops around routes that have lots of crafting material nodes, though I'll gladly admit that it's been nowhere near as bad as it sometimes got to be in Cata.
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Aug 14, 2013 07:03
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Novum posted:Holy poo poo, is this for real? Iv'e read his book. It's pretty good and teached me a thing or two about beating other people in video games.
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Aug 14, 2013 08:56
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crazysim posted:The not taking screenshot as proof thing is kind of interesting as WoW watermarks screenshots with some embedded information. You can use commands to output any text to your chat window in any color to make it look like anything happened.
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Aug 14, 2013 10:35
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Lucy Heartfilia posted:Iv'e read his book. It's pretty good and teached me a thing or two about beating other people in video games. http://www.sirlin.net/ptw
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Aug 14, 2013 10:51
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WetSpink posted:You can use commands to output any text to your chat window in any color to make it look like anything happened.
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Aug 14, 2013 10:51
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Ghostlight posted:Blizzard logs literally every chat channel, including custom private ones, though so they can easily verify that. The more I think about this the more horrifying it is.
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Aug 14, 2013 13:07
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Chocobo posted:Playing to Win is available for free online, it's an enjoyable read. He "improved" the articles that formed the basis for the book a while back. I linked the old one because the subject matter gets better reactions as told by some 20-something who's also being an insufferable dick about it.
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Aug 14, 2013 13:34
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David Sirlin is the embodiment of 'trolling people by playing the game better than them'.
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Aug 14, 2013 13:41
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proof of concept posted:You'd better believe it. People have been raging over "cheapness" since before xbox live. The mentality of people like that cod juggalo guy and the behavior it leads to astonishes and amazes me. People have been raging about cheapness since before the internet. In the 80s and 90s you had arcade culture just like CoD internet culture now. There was nothing as satisfying as playing a fighting game like Street Fighter 2, picking a character universally thought of to be poo poo, and beating the poo poo out of people with moves they didn't know how to defend because nobody ever played against that character except when the machine controlled them. Beating all the Ken/Ryu/Chun Li tryhards with someone like Dhalsim or E. Honda was just so drat satisfying.
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Drakenel posted:The more I think about this the more horrifying it is. I can only represent my current thought process as a series of smilies:  ...  ...  ... 
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Aug 14, 2013 14:41
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natetimm posted:People have been raging about cheapness since before the internet. In the 80s and 90s you had arcade culture just like CoD internet culture now. There was nothing as satisfying as playing a fighting game like Street Fighter 2, picking a character universally thought of to be poo poo, and beating the poo poo out of people with moves they didn't know how to defend because nobody ever played against that character except when the machine controlled them. Beating all the Ken/Ryu/Chun Li tryhards with someone like Dhalsim or E. Honda was just so drat satisfying. I had a lot of fun in SFIV beating some stick-in-the-mud, wannabe-pros with Vega. For some reason they would get incredibly angry as not only is Vega a very "low-tier" character, he is also implied to be gay which cheesed them off as they were all homophobes or something. Got lots of "faggots" and couldn't stop cracking up. I didn't hang out with those guys anymore, they were clearly squares. This was before he was buffed in SSFIV, mind.
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Aug 14, 2013 14:48
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Lucy Heartfilia posted:David Sirlin is the embodiment of 'trolling people by playing the game better than them'. My favourite story is the one where he literally won a tournament by doing one move over and over for basically the entire final match.
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natetimm posted:People have been raging about cheapness since before the internet. In the 80s and 90s you had arcade culture just like CoD internet culture now. There was nothing as satisfying as playing a fighting game like Street Fighter 2, picking a character universally thought of to be poo poo, and beating the poo poo out of people with moves they didn't know how to defend because nobody ever played against that character except when the machine controlled them. Beating all the Ken/Ryu/Chun Li tryhards with someone like Dhalsim or E. Honda was just so drat satisfying. Oh believe me I remember that feeling. And it wasn't like you had to be a fighting game god to achieve it, anyone even remotely competent could pull this off fairly regularly if they wanted to. Street Fighter 2 was so popular and so prevalent that you almost couldn't avoid running into people who would repeatedly slug in their quarter, button-mash, lose, and then pitch a hissy fit about it. On the plus side, since they had to stand shoulder-to-shoulder with you at the machine, you got to witness these histrionics first hand. The downside was that, unlike people making impotent threats over the internet, particularly sore losers could actually turn and sucker-punch the person they just lost to, which definitely wasn't unheard of.
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proof of concept posted:Oh believe me I remember that feeling. And it wasn't like you had to be a fighting game god to achieve it, anyone even remotely competent could pull this off fairly regularly if they wanted to. Street Fighter 2 was so popular and so prevalent that you almost couldn't avoid running into people who would repeatedly slug in their quarter, button-mash, lose, and then pitch a hissy fit about it. On the plus side, since they had to stand shoulder-to-shoulder with you at the machine, you got to witness these histrionics first hand. The downside was that, unlike people making impotent threats over the internet, particularly sore losers could actually turn and sucker-punch the person they just lost to, which definitely wasn't unheard of. I may be a sick gently caress but the possibility of actual violence made it more entertaining to me. Maybe that's just rose colored glasses because all the threats now are so impotent and obviously not going to happen. Also, the opposite of being a dick/griefer in the arcade days was when a little kid put his quarter in to play you and you knew you were obviously way more skilled than them. You could beat them, show them how to do some moves, and then let them have your game. I always felt like a hero after that.
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Aug 14, 2013 15:31
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Drakenel posted:The more I think about this the more horrifying it is. Are you really surprised? If they need to ban somebody for inappropriate behavior, Blizzard obviously needs some way of verifying what a person said.
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