UKMT General Elextravaganza 2017: Lord Buckethead would have won

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What is the best flav... you all know what this question is: This poll is closed.
Labour	907	49.92%
Theresa May Team (Conservative)	48	2.64%
Liberal Democrats	31	1.71%
UKIP	13	0.72%
Plaid Cymru	25	1.38%
Green	22	1.21%
Scottish Socialist Party	12	0.66%
Scottish Conservative Party	1	0.06%
Scottish National Party	59	3.25%
Some Kind of Irish Unionist	4	0.22%
Alliance / Irish Nonsectarian	3	0.17%
Some Kind of Irish Nationalist	36	1.98%
Misc. Far Left Trots	35	1.93%
Misc. Far Right Fash	8	0.44%
Monster Raving Loony	49	2.70%
Space Navies Party	39	2.15%
Independent / Single Issue	2	0.11%
Can't Vote	188	10.35%
Won't Vote	8	0.44%
Spoiled Ballot	15	0.83%
Pissflaps	312	17.17%
Total:	1817 votes

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kustomkarkommando: Oct 22, 2012

coffeetable posted:

https://twitter.com/SiobhanFenton/status/873913742949584896

incidental, Fenton's a great one to follow for NI politics stuff

The SDLP and SF have been saying this for some time, pretty much after Brokenshire penned an editorial around the time of the bloody Sunday commemorations saying existing legacy proceedings are biased against soldiers and need to be reformed

# ? Jun 11, 2017 21:59

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# ? May 29, 2024 22:29

Dr Snofeld: Apr 30, 2009

thehappyprince posted:

https://twitter.com/davidwearing/status/873820030739283968

none of these snakes should be allowed back

Imagine how it felt for him going from that to the packed rallies of supporters.

# ? Jun 11, 2017 22:03

Oh dear me: Aug 14, 2012; I have burned numerous saucepans, sometimes right through the metal

Hoops posted:

I don't care what any of you say, Corbyn was awful his first year and it wasn't entirely the PLP's fault they wouldn't back him. He was a long term backbench rebel MP who was thrust into a job he didn't particularly want and whose demands he didn't know how to meet. But now that he has clearly hit his stride and grown into the role, I can certainly see the case that Corbyn might actually be the loving boy

I think what this misses is the manifesto. The Labour Party needed a decent manifesto because it had been left with nothing useable after years of triangulation. Until you have a manifesto, what can you do, as a politician? Any time you appear in public to say 'Tory policy bad', you're going to be asked what you would do, and if that hasn't been decided you look terrible.

Manifestos take time to draw up and agree on even in a harmonious group. And in the first months, while Corbyn's shadow cabinet contained rightwingers, it didn't look like they could agree on anything at all. Really the self-purging of the right did Corbyn an enormous favour in the end.

# ? Jun 11, 2017 22:07

kustomkarkommando: Oct 22, 2012

A part of the negotiations are about legacy investigation and specifically about what information gets released to families following a legacy investigation, the British government has argued that they should get to look at any information first and remove any references to sensitive security information for "national security" - SF want an independent arbitrator to decide what should/should not be released. Its been a big bone of contention that SF are extremely angry about it and it's considered one of the big road blocks during these negotiations.

For example from march:

BelTel posted:

"Sinn Fein will come at these negotiations with a willingness to find a way through to make sure we have institutions that deliver for all of our citizens. We have made it very clear and we repeat again that we will not return to the status quo."

Sinn Fein's Stormont leader accused Mr Brokenshire and the UK Government of favouring unionists.

"His one-sided partisan view means he cannot be an honest broker in negotiations," she said.

"I think the British Government have continually failed to live up to their responsibilities as co-guarantors of the Good Friday Agreement. They have pandered to unionism time and time again, and they have shown and demonstrated a one-sided approach when it comes to the issues of legacy."

SF has always gone out of its way in recent days to just roll their eyes at any confidence deal and say they don't really give that much of a poo poo

Sinn Fein posted:

�It is no surprise that the DUP has agreed to prop up the pro-Brexit and pro-austerity Tory government of Theresa May

�They have once again betrayed the interests of the people of the north by supporting a Tory party which has cut funding to our public services year on year to the tune of hundreds of millions of pounds.

�Experience shows us that unionists have minimal influence on any British government.

�They have achieved little propping up Tory governments in the past and put their own interests before those of the people.

�This new arrangement between the DUP and the Tories will be transitory and will end in tears.

�But it will be the people of the north who will have to pay the price for the DUP�s support for Brexit and for cuts.

�Given the Tory government�s increasingly partisan approach it is more important than ever that the Taoiseach and the Irish government stand up for the rights of all citizens in the north.

�The Irish government needs to seize the initiative to secure designated special status for the North within the EU as part of the Brexit negotiations.

�It has also a responsibility to ensure that the British government ends its support for the DUP�s denial of rights to Irish citizens which are the norm in every other part of these islands.

�Sinn F�in�s focus remains on entering talks to re-establish an Executive which delivers for all on the basis of equality, respect and integrity and this requires the full implementation of agreements on rights and legacy.�

and

https://twitter.com/SJAMcBride/status/873844919823196160

# ? Jun 11, 2017 22:08

jabby: Oct 27, 2010

Hoops posted:

I don't care what any of you say, Corbyn was awful his first year and it wasn't entirely the PLP's fault they wouldn't back him. He was a long term backbench rebel MP who was thrust into a job he didn't particularly want and whose demands he didn't know how to meet. But now that he has clearly hit his stride and grown into the role, I can certainly see the case that Corbyn might actually be the loving boy

You're hugely rewriting history if you think the PLP just 'wouldn't back' Corbyn. They actively sabotaged him from the word go, or did you miss the incredibly hostile briefings to the right wing press and constant leaks of confidential information?

# ? Jun 11, 2017 22:12

Miftan: Mar 31, 2012; Terry knows what he can do with his bloody chocolate orange...

Fans posted:

If you want a Gang Tag drop me a PM. Please don't fill up the thread asking for them.

They'll take a little to turn up.

I'm a poor with no PMs, can I still have one of those? Also seconding ancom icons!

# ? Jun 11, 2017 22:12

Namtab: Feb 22, 2010

Seems like the non tankie mod is only doing the gang tags

# ? Jun 11, 2017 22:18

pumpinglemma: Apr 28, 2009; DD: Fondly regard abomination.

e: Oops.

# ? Jun 11, 2017 22:19

Barry Scott: Jan 2, 2009

Miftan posted:

I'm a poor with no PMs, can I still have one of those? Also seconding ancom icons!

Thirding this please. Maybe if Corbyn becomes PM i'll be able to afford plat

# ? Jun 11, 2017 22:24

Kegluneq: Feb 18, 2011; Mr President, the physical reality of Prime Minister Corbyn is beyond your range of apprehension. If you'll just put on these PINKOVISION glasses...

Barry Scott posted:

Thirding this please. Maybe if Corbyn becomes PM i'll be able to afford plat

Likewise. We're all too bad at capitalism to self fund these bourgeois luxuries...

# ? Jun 11, 2017 22:29

CoolCab: Apr 17, 2005; glem

So I want to join the Labour party, but I also need to join a union - will joining Unison automatically make me a Labour party member?

# ? Jun 11, 2017 22:29

Crazycryodude: Aug 15, 2015; Lets get our X tons of Duranium back!

....Is that still a valid thing to jingoistically blow out of proportion?

Jose posted:

this but the anarchy ones

# ? Jun 11, 2017 22:30

Captain Mediocre: Oct 14, 2005; Saving lives and money!

CoolCab posted:

So I want to join the Labour party, but I also need to join a union - will joining Unison automatically make me a Labour party member?

There is an option when joining unison to choose if you want your dues to support the labour party or not, by all means tick that box but it's not the same as membership. I joined unison and the labour party at roughly the same time and had to do them separately.

# ? Jun 11, 2017 22:34

Namtab: Feb 22, 2010

Don't unison members get a vote on stuff like leadership? Idk because I'm rcn

# ? Jun 11, 2017 22:39

mediadave: Sep 8, 2011

With a working majority of six, the Conservatives just need to lose three by-elections to lose that completely, right?

How many by-elections tend to happen during a parliament?

# ? Jun 11, 2017 22:40

Miftan: Mar 31, 2012; Terry knows what he can do with his bloody chocolate orange...

Labour affiliates can vote on leadership iirc. Unison count if you ticked the box, I think? You can also do one without the other, so by all means join up as a full labour party member!

# ? Jun 11, 2017 22:41

Looke: Aug 2, 2013

you are assuming the government will last long enough to see any

# ? Jun 11, 2017 22:41

Captain Mediocre: Oct 14, 2005; Saving lives and money!

The labour party allows 'affiliated members' of some unions to vote in leadership elections yeah, which does include UNISON. You'll still need to join the party properly to get involved in the CLP stuff though.

# ? Jun 11, 2017 22:42

Manic_Misanthrope: Jul 1, 2010

mediadave posted:

With a working majority of six, the Conservatives just need to lose three by-elections to lose that completely, right?

How many by-elections tend to happen during a parliament?

Depends what happens in those seats. Like say an investigation for breaking campaigning funding rules

# ? Jun 11, 2017 22:42

Barry Scott: Jan 2, 2009

Kegluneq posted:

Likewise. We're all too bad at capitalism to self fund these bourgeois luxuries...

In all seriousness it's kinda selfish, but a huge reason I voted for Corbyn is because he supports a living wage. Working at a supermarket doesn't really cut it at the moment

# ? Jun 11, 2017 22:43

Miftan: Mar 31, 2012; Terry knows what he can do with his bloody chocolate orange...

Barry Scott posted:

In all seriousness it's kinda selfish, but a huge reason I voted for Corbyn is because he supports a living wage. Working at a supermarket doesn't really cut it at the moment

This the opposite of selfish since lots of people have those kinds of jobs. It would be selfish if you were paid well and didn't think they should be paid well too.

# ? Jun 11, 2017 22:45

Firos: Apr 30, 2007; Staying abreast of the latest developments in jam communism

Someone I know is against an increase in minimum wage because it means they would then be earning minimum wage. Even though they'd be earning more money :psyduck:

# ? Jun 11, 2017 22:48

ShaneMacGowansTeeth: May 22, 2007; I think this is it... I think this is how it ends

When I first started at McDonald's I was paid �3.25 which I think was the very first minimum wage. I felt like a loving king getting that much

# ? Jun 11, 2017 22:51

TheRat: Aug 30, 2006

There's an american lady on sky news being horrified about "Corbyn wanting to turn Britain into Cuba" :cripes:

# ? Jun 11, 2017 22:51

Miftan: Mar 31, 2012; Terry knows what he can do with his bloody chocolate orange...

Firos posted:

Someone I know is against an increase in minimum wage because it means they would then be earning minimum wage. Even though they'd be earning more money

So they're earning just slightly over minimum wage now? This is stupid, but also has to do with the stigma around 'minimum wage' as shameful because you couldn't get a proper job. This is despite society not being able to function without minimum wage jobs (yet! Fully automated luxury gay space communism here we come!)

# ? Jun 11, 2017 22:52

Thanks Ants: May 21, 2004; #essereFerrari

Firos posted:

Someone I know is against an increase in minimum wage because it means they would then be earning minimum wage. Even though they'd be earning more money

The wall for them

# ? Jun 11, 2017 22:53

Miftan: Mar 31, 2012; Terry knows what he can do with his bloody chocolate orange...

Miftan posted:

So they're earning just slightly over minimum wage now? This is stupid, but also has to do with the stigma around 'minimum wage' as shameful because you couldn't get a proper job. This is despite society not being able to function without minimum wage jobs (yet! Fully automated luxury gay space communism here we come!)

Also "wah wah nobody will be worse off than me!"

# ? Jun 11, 2017 22:54

Groovelord Neato: Dec 6, 2014

Firos posted:

Someone I know is against an increase in minimum wage because it means they would then be earning minimum wage. Even though they'd be earning more money

in america people will go fast food workers making 15 an hour?? but that's what paramedics make! not realizing the paramedics would be paid more.

# ? Jun 11, 2017 22:59

Zeerust: May 1, 2008; They must have guessed, once or twice - guessed and refused to believe - that everything, always, collectively, had been moving toward that purified shape latent in the sky, that shape of no surprise, no second chance, no return.

Firos posted:

Someone I know is against an increase in minimum wage because it means they would then be earning minimum wage. Even though they'd be earning more money

I have a friend who is a civil servant who gets really weird about this as well. He earns more than minimum wage, but under �10/hr, and feels like his work would be devalued if his pay doesn't increase proportionally to the new minimum wage. I can't really wrap my head around it, I'd be loving delighted to be earning that much.

# ? Jun 11, 2017 23:00

Loving Africa Chaps: Dec 3, 2007; We had not left it yet, but when I would wake in the night, I would lie, listening, homesick for it already.

Miftan posted:

So they're earning just slightly over minimum wage now? This is stupid, but also has to do with the stigma around 'minimum wage' as shameful because you couldn't get a proper job. This is despite society not being able to function without minimum wage jobs (yet! Fully automated luxury gay space communism here we come!)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6gerNVgJW5M

# ? Jun 11, 2017 23:00

Pochoclo: Feb 4, 2008; No...; Clapping Larry

Zeerust posted:

I have a friend who is a civil servant who gets really weird about this as well. He earns more than minimum wage, but under �10/hr, and feels like his work would be devalued if his pay doesn't increase proportionally to the new minimum wage. I can't really wrap my head around it, I'd be loving delighted to be earning that much.

I remember reading about this study once, where they basically asked people to choose between two options:
(With spending power remaining the same, etc - also I don't remember the phrasing exactly)

1) You make �100k, everyone else makes �200k
2) You make �50k, but everyone else makes �25k

Most people chose option 2

Pochoclo fucked around with this message at 23:06 on Jun 11, 2017

# ? Jun 11, 2017 23:04

Thanks Ants: May 21, 2004; #essereFerrari

I think people probably realise that there's no chance of there not being a massive impact to spending power if everybody has double the income you do.

I get the point though - it's clearly seen when there's talk of tube workers going on strike, everybody emerges from the woodwork to claim how they already earn more than nurses and police so they should shut the gently caress up and be grateful. And then they go back to deathly silence about the wages of nurses and police.

# ? Jun 11, 2017 23:09

Broken Cog: Dec 29, 2009; We're all friends here

Pochoclo posted:

I remember reading about this study once, where they basically asked people to choose between two options:
(With spending power remaining the same, etc - also I don't remember the phrasing exactly)

1) You make �100k, everyone else makes �200k
2) You make �50k, but everyone else makes �25k

Most people chose option 2

I seem to remember the results of that particular study being massively misinterpreted. Trying to look for it now.

# ? Jun 11, 2017 23:11

Guavanaut: Nov 27, 2009; Looking At Them Tittys
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Thanks Ants posted:

I think people probably realise that there's no chance of there not being a massive impact to spending power if everybody has double the income you do.

Yeah I think if everyone in the country made exactly double what I did, from the person unable to work all the way to the blue chip CEO, I'd be in a bad position. If it was everyone in the room it'd be a different matter.

TheRat posted:

There's an american lady on sky news being horrified about "Corbyn wanting to turn Britain into Cuba"

We don't have the weather for that.

# ? Jun 11, 2017 23:14

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Pochoclo posted:

I remember reading about this study once, where they basically asked people to choose between two options:
(With spending power remaining the same, etc - also I don't remember the phrasing exactly)

1) You make �100k, everyone else makes �200k
2) You make �50k, but everyone else makes �25k

Most people chose option 2

Your purchasing power would be higher in the second option, and given everyone else is making the same amount it would still be an egalitarian option! :goonsay:

# ? Jun 11, 2017 23:16

Doccykins: Feb 21, 2006

https://twitter.com/bbcdaniels/status/873960110766292993

Definitely an accident oh yes what what

# ? Jun 11, 2017 23:18

Thanks Ants: May 21, 2004; #essereFerrari

Nothing has changed since Boris bottled the leadership last year, except there's even less of a chance of the PM being judged as a success. I honestly don't believe he wants it, he just wants to keep his name circling around so that once Brexit is done and it's a disaster he can swoop in and say how he would definitely have done better but oh no it's too late now.

# ? Jun 11, 2017 23:22

Laradus: Feb 16, 2011

I'm not 100% confident on this, but is this the study you were referring to? Apologies if not, but the method includes a 1995 Harvard School of Public Health survey which includes that question (in dollars obviously).

Solnick, S.J. and Hemenway, D. (1998) Is More Always Better? A Survey on Positional Concerns.

http://www.albany.edu/~gs149266/Solnick%20%26%20Hemenway%20(1998)%20-%20Positional%20concerns.pdf

# ? Jun 11, 2017 23:24

Intrinsic Field Marshal: Sep 6, 2014; by SA Support Robot

Laradus posted:

Is More Always Better?

Yes

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Angepain: Jul 13, 2012; what keeps happening to my clothes

maybe it's the residual sleep deprivation from staying up all night on Thursday without having planned to but I still can't quite believe any of this actually happened

god bless the good ship UKMT and all who sail in her

# ? Jun 11, 2017 23:32

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