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Blue Footed Booby
Oct 4, 2006

got those happy feet

Z the IVth posted:

Do 3d sculpting. Use free assets, pirate other creators stls. Make some titty minis and rake in that sweet Patreon cash from horny nerds.

Alternatively, find a weird-rear end niche and milk it for all it's worth. :haw:

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LashLightning
Feb 20, 2010

You know you didn't have to go post that, right?
But it's fine, I guess...

You just keep being you!

There's probably room for fairly respectable titty miniatures, like there's room for respectable erotica like Iron Circus Comics' Smut Peddler series.

punishedkissinger
Sep 20, 2017

LashLightning posted:

There's probably room for fairly respectable titty miniatures, like there's room for respectable erotica like Iron Circus Comics' Smut Peddler series.

there are definitely some cool titty miniatures. it's just a bummer that titty miniatures make up 98% of all femme minis.

Improbable Lobster
Jan 6, 2012

"From each according to his ability" said Ares. It sounded like a quotation.
Buglord
Capitalism makes everything worse

Wrr
Aug 8, 2010


Improbable Lobster posted:

Capitalism makes everything worse

Virtual Russian
Sep 15, 2008

lilljonas posted:

The art world has a few few percentages that earn well and then a huge amount of people doing awfully underpriced work. I went to art school for a while and it was a great experience in that I really learned that for me it's a hobby, not something I wanted to try to turn into a profession.

I've always managed to make a decent living and pay myself a good wage, but I've also always had a art job like teaching. That has let me be more choosey with what art I make and how much I sell it for. I do think artists are their own worst enemies, I know so many artists that sell stuff at a loss on time and even materials sometimes. It creates a perception that art [not made by famous artists] isn't valuable.

That said, I should charge roughly double for my work, but at least I'm paying myself a living wage. Most people I know are paying themselves less than $10 an hour, sometimes less than $5.

Virtual Russian fucked around with this message at 19:18 on Dec 3, 2021

Ugleb
Nov 19, 2014

ASK ME ABOUT HOW SCOTLAND'S PROPOSED TRANS LEGISLATION IS DIVISIVE AS HELL BECAUSE IT IS SO SWEEPING THAT IT COULD BE POTENTIALLY ABUSED AT A TIME WHERE THE LACK OF SAFETY FOR WOMEN HAS BEEN SO GLARING

Blue Footed Booby posted:

You're making a lot of assumptions. It could be, like, two customers at school and every other commission is from online. It could also be that 100% of the porn commissions are online, or that the porn art is for fun and the commissions are all clean. :shrug:

And I assume if you have a serious art kid then them drawing smut is basically as guaranteed as a teenager looking at smut.

Actually you're right, I missed the 'and online' bit and read it as they were just selling to class mates which seemed unlikely. They probably sold the first few in class then discovered a lucrative online market.

sasha_d3ath
Jun 3, 2016

Ban-thing the man-things.

PoptartsNinja
May 9, 2008

He is still almost definitely not a spy


Soiled Meat
... Plagueborer?

Eediot Jedi
Dec 25, 2007

This is where I begin to speculate what being a
man of my word costs me


Chain some reindeer to the front and you got yourself a Santa.

Screaming Idiot
Nov 26, 2007

JUST POSTING WHILE JERKIN' MY GHERKIN SITTIN' IN A PERKINS!

BEATS SELLING MERKINS.

Eediot Jedi posted:

Chain some reindeer to the front and you got yourself a Santa.

Merry Chaosmas!

Mr. Sunshine
May 15, 2008

This is a scrunt that has been in space too long and become a Lunt (Long Scrunt)

Fun Shoe

PoptartsNinja posted:

... Plagueborer?

Slaanesh does not have the biggest dick of the chaos gods.

TotalHell
Feb 22, 2005

Roman Reigns fights CM Punk in fantasy warld. Lotsa violins, so littl kids cant red it.


Blue Footed Booby posted:

Alternatively, find a weird-rear end niche and milk it for all it's worth. :haw:

You used “milk it” on purpose didn’t you

Scratch Monkey
Oct 25, 2010

👰Proč bychom se netěšili🥰když nám Pán Bůh🙌🏻zdraví dá💪?

Mr. Sunshine posted:

Slaanesh does not have the biggest dick of the chaos gods.

It’s dick is small but it has like 1000 of them

Atlas Hugged
Mar 12, 2007


Put your arms around me,
fiddly digits, itchy britches
I love you all
The dicks are also vaginas.

Kwyndig
Sep 23, 2006

Heeeeeey


Atlas Hugged posted:

The dicks are also vaginas.

Oh no, not getting into Wraethulhu.

Mr. Sunshine
May 15, 2008

This is a scrunt that has been in space too long and become a Lunt (Long Scrunt)

Fun Shoe

Kwyndig posted:

Oh no, not getting into Wraethulhu.

Getting into what? Is that some furry thing?

Atlas Hugged
Mar 12, 2007


Put your arms around me,
fiddly digits, itchy britches
I love you all
I think the getting of things into other things is vore?

Scratch Monkey
Oct 25, 2010

👰Proč bychom se netěšili🥰když nám Pán Bůh🙌🏻zdraví dá💪?

Mr. Sunshine posted:

Getting into what? Is that some furry thing?

Do yourself a favor and don’t look it up. It’s not so much gross (although it is) but incredibly stupid

EdsTeioh
Oct 23, 2004

PRAY FOR DEATH


Oh man, the RPG of that was...certainly something. Like the titular characters were invariably "thin and lithe" or some poo poo, like basically gothy skinny elves. They had some sort of magic poo poo which also determined social standing. Their magic points/power/whatever were directly tied into their physical attributes, the primary of which also determined physical size. Since they were all skinny, this meant that basically the society was ordered from tallest to shortest.

Wrr
Aug 8, 2010


EdsTeioh posted:

society was ordered from tallest to shortest.

Thats just dating on Tinder.

Bucnasti
Aug 14, 2012

I'll Fetch My Sarcasm Robes
I looked it up and was directed to this review, which gave me all the info I needed without actually needing to learn about it.

It is indeed very stupid.

Floppychop
Mar 30, 2012

EdsTeioh posted:

Oh man, the RPG of that was...certainly something. Like the titular characters were invariably "thin and lithe" or some poo poo, like basically gothy skinny elves. They had some sort of magic poo poo which also determined social standing. Their magic points/power/whatever were directly tied into their physical attributes, the primary of which also determined physical size. Since they were all skinny, this meant that basically the society was ordered from tallest to shortest.

So they're Irken?

EdsTeioh
Oct 23, 2004

PRAY FOR DEATH


Floppychop posted:

So they're Irken?

YES!!! First thing I thought of when I read it!

DicktheCat
Feb 15, 2011


I might find and punch the guy that drew this, it was funny for a bit, but not now that folks actually do consider furry a cash cow, pun sort of intended.

I'm laying here in bed, past 5 am from driving home from a con, bone tired and aching. I do commissions for a living, many furry, and while the community is great, it's not easy money. You don't just whip out a poorly drawn fox prick and cash falls on you. Those 15k/month Patreons are both outliers and the results of both luck and networking. Yeah, my rear end made a big chunk of my rent in 3 days, sure, but that was the result of a lot of work, both by me and for me, and it ain't always so good. I'm hoarse from all the selling I did, my arms and hands hurt from the results of going constantly at art since I was 13.

There is a lot of networking and other poo poo I don't want to fully derail with here. Were I not exhausted, I might not be such a prick about this, but don't come away with the idea that this is an easy gravy train here, christ, that simply doesn't exist in the art world, unless you're a nft scam jackass or something.

The Lone Badger
Sep 24, 2007

I think it's not so much "drawing fox dicks is easy money" as "if you want a remotely liveable income then you need to be drawing fox dicks". Nobody's willing to pay artists as much as it actually costs to make a picture, but suspiciously wealthy furries pay more than anyone else.

Ragnar34
Oct 10, 2007

Lipstick Apathy
Now listen here, speaking as an nft scam jackass I'll have you know it's not easy money. You have to pay for all the equipment up front and you need to know SO MANY complete idiots, plus you have to draw all the monkeys from life or else the art doesn't breathe.

moths
Aug 25, 2004

I would also still appreciate some danger.



Of the three, furies are the only ones who will ever directly interact with someone who needs money.

Fashionable Jorts
Jan 18, 2010

Maybe if I'm busy it could keep me from you



Also I don't get the "suspiciously wealthy" part. People have disposable income. Instead of buying Call Of Duty 19: It's In Space Again with season pass for $130, or a boxed set of Primaris Lieutenants for $200, they commission some art.

Sure fursuits are expensive, but I guarantee I've spent more on warhammer than most people have on a suit.

Ugleb
Nov 19, 2014

ASK ME ABOUT HOW SCOTLAND'S PROPOSED TRANS LEGISLATION IS DIVISIVE AS HELL BECAUSE IT IS SO SWEEPING THAT IT COULD BE POTENTIALLY ABUSED AT A TIME WHERE THE LACK OF SAFETY FOR WOMEN HAS BEEN SO GLARING

Fashionable Jorts posted:

Also I don't get the "suspiciously wealthy" part. People have disposable income. Instead of buying Call Of Duty 19: It's In Space Again with season pass for $130, or a boxed set of Primaris Lieutenants for $200, they commission some art.

Sure fursuits are expensive, but I guarantee I've spent more on warhammer than most people have on a suit.

I guess if you think about it anyone with a hobby gets labelled as weird for how much they spend on it by people with no interest in it.

If your experience of boardgames stops at Monopoly, you would struggle to believe how much I spent on Batman The Animated Series; Shadow of the Bat all-in.

To which I can only respond with 'it is a gorgeous pile of stuff I will spend many hours not only playing, but painting while giggling with nostalgic glee'. No, you're weird!

Terrible Opinions
Oct 18, 2013



The suspiciously wealthy bit is just from a lot of high profile furries being senior engineers, network admins, or other STEM fields that have a lot of disposable income, same as the guys who commission fully painted warhammer armies.

DicktheCat posted:

I might find and punch the guy that drew this, it was funny for a bit, but not now that folks actually do consider furry a cash cow, pun sort of intended.

I'm laying here in bed, past 5 am from driving home from a con, bone tired and aching. I do commissions for a living, many furry, and while the community is great, it's not easy money. You don't just whip out a poorly drawn fox prick and cash falls on you. Those 15k/month Patreons are both outliers and the results of both luck and networking. Yeah, my rear end made a big chunk of my rent in 3 days, sure, but that was the result of a lot of work, both by me and for me, and it ain't always so good. I'm hoarse from all the selling I did, my arms and hands hurt from the results of going constantly at art since I was 13.

There is a lot of networking and other poo poo I don't want to fully derail with here. Were I not exhausted, I might not be such a prick about this, but don't come away with the idea that this is an easy gravy train here, christ, that simply doesn't exist in the art world, unless you're a nft scam jackass or something.
I don't think the guys carving marble for monarchs had it easy either, and the image doesn't seem imply it to be easy.

Terrible Opinions fucked around with this message at 18:32 on Dec 7, 2021

DicktheCat
Feb 15, 2011

moths posted:

Of the three, furies are the only ones who will ever directly interact with someone who needs money.

This is 100% true, I've literally not gone homeless and starved because of the kindness of furries, as in, I have literally been taken in by them before.

However, this post has the right of it:

Fashionable Jorts posted:

Also I don't get the "suspiciously wealthy" part. People have disposable income. Instead of buying Call Of Duty 19: It's In Space Again with season pass for $130, or a boxed set of Primaris Lieutenants for $200, they commission some art.

Sure fursuits are expensive, but I guarantee I've spent more on warhammer than most people have on a suit.

This is the exact truth behind the "suspiciously wealthy" part. Most of them save up for that big art purchase or suit, the same as you might save for a game console or new computer. I have been told by folks that they literally saved up just to buy my art before.

There are an insane number of STEM pros in furry, I will admit, but it's not like that doesn't exist in other nerd communities.

Terrible Opinions
Oct 18, 2013



Using the magic of reverse image search the original person who made the image is an artist who does furry and anime commissions.

DicktheCat
Feb 15, 2011

Terrible Opinions posted:

The suspiciously wealthy bit is just from a lot of high profile furries being senior engineers, network admins, or other STEM fields that have a lot of disposable income, same as hte guys who commission fully painted warhammer armies.

I don't think the guys carving marble for monarchs had it easy either, and the image doesn't imply it to be easy.

I was literally writing that furry has tons of STEM when this was posted.

The artist themselves may have not been implying that, but do you know how many times I've been told "haha, I should learn to draw, if it's easy as that!"

No. The market isn't like that. Sorry to come off indignant and apoplectic, because I was. I'm just weary of doing art being seen as a simple, fun job that's always such a perfect joy and not work at all, and the convo simply just hit me wrong.

DicktheCat
Feb 15, 2011

Terrible Opinions posted:

Using the magic of reverse image search the original person who made the image is an artist who does furry and anime commissions.

Know what, I was gonna leave this thread be, but one last stupid post:

I'm ok joking around and being called a gayboy by my queer compatriots, but a cishet can get hosed.

This is an instance of an insider making a joke that outsiders won't get, and outsiders running with it, and not even getting it.


Get hosed.

Terrible Opinions
Oct 18, 2013



Oh yeah absolutely, those sorts of assumptions suck

moths
Aug 25, 2004

I would also still appreciate some danger.



"Suspiciously wealthy" doesn't have any particular connotations. I think everyone knows someone whose apparent wealth dramatically exceeds their income.

BattleMaster
Aug 14, 2000

furries are probably the only fandom that is willing to pay what art is actually worth

Mr. Sunshine
May 15, 2008

This is a scrunt that has been in space too long and become a Lunt (Long Scrunt)

Fun Shoe
What's this stupid mini-drama even about? The jpeg you're railing against says "these weirdos are the only ones actually paying for art" and says nothing at all about artists, art or gayboys. Chill dude.

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Spanish Manlove
Aug 31, 2008

HAILGAYSATAN
Sometimes people just need to get stuff off their chests. They'll tire themselves out in a little bit.

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