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Bushiz posted:No one's denying that he's a loving monster, but when you pick out, like, the single point in his campaign where Trump is (badly) trying to express sympathy and compassion and shout "LOOK AT WHAT A MONSTER HE'S BEING" it looks real loving bad, especially when it's surrounded by plenty of poo poo that has no trouble making him look loving crazy. He suggested that the bridge between committing suicide and not is personal weakness.
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It doesn't really matter what Trump said or what he meant, it matters what people heard. And a lot of people are probably going to listen to that speech and hear Trump say "Some people are strong. Other people kill themselves."Periodiko posted:This requires a willingness to carefully parse Trump that no Trump supporter actually possesses. It's not about people who already support Trump. I don't know why people keep saying this. It's about scaring off fence-sitters and reinvigorating dems.
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JazzFlight posted:Wait, I found a pic of the people who put that attack ad together: https://twitter.com/JoeSondow/status/780562081724583936
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Oct 3, 2016 17:32
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trump didn't mean all the mexicans were rapists, he was just badly expressing himself.
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Oct 3, 2016 17:33
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Spiritus Nox posted:It doesn't really matter what Trump said or what he meant, it matters what people heard. And a lot of people are probably going to listen to that speech and hear Trump say "Some people are strong. Other people kill themselves." As a mentally ill person, from what I can say from my own experiences, the majority of the population do not care about mental health issues to any serious degree, they do not understand mental health issues to any serious degree, they are not willing to understand mental health issues to any serious degree, and to go in combination with the previous three things I mentioned, they do not understand how ableism is a thing that applies to people who aren't missing legs None of them are going to care that Trump used condescending language to describe a class of people that most people already condescend to on a regular basis.
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Oct 3, 2016 17:36
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This guy runs @Riker Googling btw. I think it's interesting insofar as people actually like their sci-fi villains (be they Cardassian or Ferengi) and don't want real-life scum associated with them.
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https://twitter.com/Carrasquillo/status/782981356355813376 It's picking up speed.
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Oct 3, 2016 17:37
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It's pretty obvious Trump is at least half-Pakled  They both have a similar grasp on policy specifics quote:Commander William T. Riker: What brings you so far from home?
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Mirthless posted:None of them are going to care that Trump used condescending language to describe a class of people that most people already condescend to on a regular basis. Hell we have people right here in this thread who don't get it
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:We can make a lot of meaningful reform just by making changes to the federal prison system. State prison systems require more extensive work, but its not as if its not on the agenda for one of the candidates. It's going to take a lot more than a Democratic win in November to improve the prison system to the point of being a non-embarrassment. And you know that. Anyway the article is good and doesn't get bogged down in election-talk like every lovely article about every lovely thing lately.
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Dr. Angela Ziegler posted:This guy runs @Riker Googling btw. Well, see, especially in Deep Space Nine, those sci-fi villains had depth, complexity, and things that humanized them and helped you understand their motivations. Unlike Trump.
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Dr. Angela Ziegler posted:This guy runs @Riker Googling btw. Which is understandable. I wouldn't want to be grouped with Trump as well. However I personally believe that Trump is totally a Ferengi that wishes he was a Cardassian. Cheney is a better example of a Cardassian.
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Oct 3, 2016 17:40
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Spiritus Nox posted:It's not about people who already support Trump. I don't know why people keep saying this. It's about scaring off fence-sitters and reinvigorating dems. The Khan thing probably scared off some Trump supporters too. I wouldn't underestimate the weight of being seen besmirching ARE TROOPS. Biting into that 40-45% ceiling helps.
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Mirthless posted:As a mentally ill person, from what I can say from my own experiences, the majority of the population do not care about mental health issues to any serious degree, they do not understand mental health issues to any serious degree, they are not willing to understand mental health issues to any serious degree, and to go in combination with the previous three things I mentioned, they do not understand how ableism is a thing that applies to people who aren't missing legs They care about Veterans.
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Trump is more like that one Klingon who rose into power entirely on his family's generational honor despite that honor having been a sham and him having no sense of good governance or personal honor himself. Trump would not make it along the Ferengi. He sucks at expanding his business, he would quickly go down in rank and serve under some slightly less incompetent Ferengi like Daimon Tog.
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computer parts posted:They care about Veterans. Americans don't care about veterans, they care about the idea of veterans They care about the image of handsome stone jawed men who are valiant and come home well dressed saluting the flag and going and getting a job. The US has not ever cared about actual veterans who come home broken and in need of help, or even worse, daring not to love America.
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computer parts posted:They care about Veterans. Yes, and Trump said he was going to give the weak veterans better health care. They don't care that he called veterans with PTSD weak because people who don't understand mental health issues are perfectly willing to accept that as a descriptor of people with PTSD. Many - if not most - people look at mental health problems as personal failings. They aren't going to get why this is offensive.
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Built 4 Cuban Linux posted:I don't see how that Trump quote is so bad. He didn't explicitly call them weak, and some people can't handle what they saw over there and kill themselves. I don't think this ranks in the top 5 of bad things he's said about veterans. Those who can handle it are to strong people as is those who can't handle it are to _______. Fill in the blank.
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Let's be real here, just like Donald's attempts to "win over" black voters, nothing Hillary will do will sway vets. Those blocs are pretty much static. However, a large part of the electorate does care about vets, and this will likely hurt him.
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Mirthless posted:Yes, and Trump said he was going to give the weak veterans better health care. "Weak veterans" is an oxymoron to the people writing these articles.
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Oct 3, 2016 17:45
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Mirthless posted:They don't care that he called veterans with PTSD weak because people who don't understand mental health issues are perfectly willing to accept that as a descriptor of people with PTSD. And this is why so many veterans kill themselves, they are afraid to get the help they need because it might make them seem weak. The military and PTSD groups have launched entire campaigns to fight this perception because of how unbelievable damaging it is. Donald Trump literally said the single most dangerous and reductive thing you can say about mental health suicides possible.
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Oct 3, 2016 17:47
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Slight shift to the side track of the anti-Kaine ad: https://twitter.com/SimonMaloy/status/782984752345284608
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GalacticAcid posted:It's going to take a lot more than a Democratic win in November to improve the prison system to the point of being a non-embarrassment. And you know that. They could (they're not going to) pass a law prohibiting private prisons from either being for profit or from engaging in interstate commerce (subject to how the 5 years of litigation over it shakes out ) It wouldn't be an outright ban on private prisons, but it could cripple a lot of the bigger ones (never going to happen) Also assumes dems win the house (lol)
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Spiritus Nox posted:It doesn't really matter what Trump said or what he meant, it matters what people heard. And a lot of people are probably going to listen to that speech and hear Trump say "Some people are strong. Other people kill themselves." I mean sure, but it seems like a risky gamble because it's a cakewalk for the trump campaign to use this to make veteran suicide a news item, and put hillary on the back foot with it, and there doesn't seem to be too much to gain from it. And sure this is the trump campaign so it will almost certainly bungle the chance to turn this around but still.
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Mel Mudkiper posted:And this is why so many veterans kill themselves, they are afraid to get the help they need because it might make them seem weak. The military and PTSD groups have launched entire campaigns to fight this perception because of how unbelievable damaging it is. I agree completely, I just don't think it's going to matter to anybody.  Maybe I'm being negative, but generally when it comes to politics I'm an optimist. I've just been poo poo on enough as somebody with a mental health condition to know how society views people with mental health conditions. It's hard for me to be optimistic about this.
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Mel Mudkiper posted:He suggested that the bridge between committing suicide and not is personal weakness. This
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Mirthless posted:I agree completely, I just don't think it's going to matter to anybody. It all depends if and how the Clinton campaign uses it. At the very least, it goes onto the pile of Trump's no good very bad week
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iospace posted:Slight shift to the side track of the anti-Kaine ad: Well this'll be interesting.
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Uh oh. Ol' Slick Willy is in trouble again. https://twitter.com/CarlBeijer/status/782932146939957248
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Mirthless posted:I agree completely, I just don't think it's going to matter to anybody.
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iospace posted:Slight shift to the side track of the anti-Kaine ad: Pence will just explain that actually the Catholic Church is pro death penalty, remember Jesus did say "an eye for an eye"
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Crain posted:Uh oh. Ol' Slick Willy is in trouble again. I can see the resemblance.
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And, in other news: https://twitter.com/PoliticoKevin/status/782983884778643457 Yeah... WI pretty much is a lost cause for Johnson.
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iospace posted:Slight shift to the side track of the anti-Kaine ad: Holy poo poo. That's some serious political judo if you throw it back like that. The inevitable response though will be "Why didn't you sue abortion clinics then?!"
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I didn't think Trump could do much to make me think less of him, but as someone with depression and as a suicide attempt survivor gently caress him with a rake. Attempting suicide has nothing to do with how strong or weak you are, in my experience it's not even really a conscious choice.
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Mel Mudkiper posted:Americans don't care about veterans, they care about the idea of veterans And in fact has sent the army, with tanks, against veterans.
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Spiritus Nox posted:It's not about people who already support Trump. I don't know why people keep saying this. It's about scaring off fence-sitters and reinvigorating dems. Trump was incredibly snide about John McCain's genuinely heroic period as a torture victim and prisoner of war, and attacked a family that lost their son in Iraq. Failing to use politically correct language to describe PTSD doesn't even register. There are a million better lines of attack than a nuanced analysis of Trump's description of suicides. Can you actually imagine a person who is "reinvigorated" by this that wasn't by the previous?
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Antti posted:Holy poo poo. That's some serious political judo if you throw it back like that. He's already dealt with that line of attack, apparently: https://twitter.com/SimonMaloy/status/782987450272612352
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