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I don't see how that Trump quote is so bad. He didn't explicitly call them weak, and some people can't handle what they saw over there and kill themselves. I don't think this ranks in the top 5 of bad things he's said about veterans.
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Built 4 Cuban Linux posted:I don't see how that Trump quote is so bad. He didn't explicitly call them weak, and some people can't handle what they saw over there and kill themselves. I don't think this ranks in the top 5 of bad things he's said about veterans. "You're strong and you can handle it. Some people can't handle it (because they're weak)" is the worst possible way to frame that. He didn't say they're weak but he drat well implied.
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Oct 3, 2016 17:05
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_5kh-z4IXA somewhere in this, apparently
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Endorph posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_5kh-z4IXA 45 minute mark: https://twitter.com/anamariecox/status/782969915896717312
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Oct 3, 2016 17:06
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Most Americans hate lawyers and love the death penalty. The death penalty support has been dropping regularly and drops even further outside of the specific 'for convicted murderers' qualifier.
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Oct 3, 2016 17:06
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Mel Mudkiper posted:Honestly I find the ethics of drone strikes fascinating and I still haven't reached a resolution on them yet If the action is wholly necessary and would be carried out anyway, drones are a very, very good thing. My only objection is that they lower the threshold for sky-murder, and that could conceivably be addressed by a shift in policy.
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Oct 3, 2016 17:07
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:https://twitter.com/anamariecox/status/782969673067421697 Jfc I hope the next political add is him talking about vet suicides at the town hall then a clip of that with the text of "He doesnt really care."
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Oct 3, 2016 17:07
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It's a badly expressed statement but it's hardly damning, and is, in fact, one of the more humanizing things he's said this election.
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Oct 3, 2016 17:08
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She screwed up the timestamp, here's a direct link to the answer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_5kh-z4IXA&t=4036s
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Oct 3, 2016 17:09
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Bushiz posted:It's a badly expressed statement but it's hardly damning, and is, in fact, one of the more humanizing things he's said this election. " you’re strong & you can handle it, but some people can’t handle it.” Why can't they handle it?
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Oct 3, 2016 17:09
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Bushiz posted:It's a badly expressed statement but it's hardly damning, and is, in fact, one of the more humanizing things he's said this election.
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Oct 3, 2016 17:10
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iospace posted:So the GOP finally has gone after Kaine: Good, I'd love for Mike Pence's sinister looking face to advocate for the death penalty, we're already slowly turning away from it in this country, maybe Mike Pence coming out and talking about how we need to kill criminals will make people realize that the only people who are strongly in support of the death penalty are comic book-villain looking fuckers like him. I mean, you can draw a pretty clear comparison between a man who, as governor, commuted the sentence of a criminal on death row because of his clear mental shortcomings, and a man who was in the same position that refused to pardon an apparently innocent man whose prosecutor literally wrote a letter asking for said pardon. One of those people is a terrible rear end in a top hat, the other is not.
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Oct 3, 2016 17:11
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The best thing about "Hillary freed a child molester" is that in actuality she had him plea guilty.
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Oct 3, 2016 17:11
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Xae posted:An alleged joke from anonymous sources with no backing. If the joke is real, they should sweep the room it was told in for any Russian bugs....
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Oct 3, 2016 17:11
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Bushiz posted:It's a badly expressed statement but it's hardly damning, and is, in fact, one of the more humanizing things he's said this election. Uh, no?
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Oct 3, 2016 17:11
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iospace posted:So the GOP finally has gone after Kaine: The assault on defense attorneys as being bad people because they defend bad people makes me very angry it's like one of the best things about our judicial system, you enormous pricks
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Bushiz posted:It's a badly expressed statement but it's hardly damning, and is, in fact, one of the more humanizing things he's said this election. How is it humanizing?
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Oct 3, 2016 17:12
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ImpAtom posted:The death penalty support has been dropping regularly and drops even further outside of the specific 'for convicted murderers' qualifier. Gallup found that support for the death penalty was at it's lowest recorded level last year. It was 64% in favor. Do you think the Death Penalty is used in America Too Often, About the Right Amount, or Not Enough? Too Often: 27% About Right: 27% Not Enough: 45% Regardless of whether you think it should be legal, is the death penalty morally acceptable or morally wrong? Moral: 59% Wrong: 34% Depends on Situation: 6% Do you believe the death penalty is applied fairly with no bias? Fairly: 53% Unfairly: 41% No Opinion: 6%
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Oct 3, 2016 17:12
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Am I doing something wrong here? I don't see that quote anywhere around 45 minutes. He's talking about the U.S. drone strikes and who knows what we're hitting? It's crazy easy to link an exact time in a youtube link too. Edit: thanks for the link davebo fucked around with this message at 17:16 on Oct 3, 2016 |
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Oct 3, 2016 17:12
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Antti posted:She screwed up the timestamp, here's a direct link to the answer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_5kh-z4IXA&t=4036s It's there, just watch for about 10 seconds or so, you had the right time stamp.
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Oct 3, 2016 17:14
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iospace posted:So the GOP finally has gone after Kaine: This won't work, it can't work. Tim Kaine is just way too wholesome for anyone to hate. Even my dad, who is basically a GOP lifer who despises Hillary, likes Tim Kaine. Granted, it's because they're both Kansas City Royals fans, but still.
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Oct 3, 2016 17:14
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She was probably watching it live which means the timestamp's going to be all over the place. I thought it might be 45 minutes before the end, which did have an answer on vet mental health but not the quote. Sopan hasn't written it up either. But I find it hard to believe an NYT reporter would just invent a Trump quote when you have so much real quotes to work with. Edit: oh did I miss it? Never mind then!
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Antti posted:She screwed up the timestamp, here's a direct link to the answer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_5kh-z4IXA&t=4036s Nah, you got the timestamp right.
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Oct 3, 2016 17:15
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Antti posted:She was probably watching it live which means the timestamp's going to be all over the place. I thought it might be 45 minutes before the end, which did have an answer on vet mental health but not the quote. Sopan is doing the transcripts now.
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Oct 3, 2016 17:15
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The Intercept has a good article up about the ongoing prison strike and its (intentional) echoes of the Attica Prison Riot. A good reminder that whoever wins this stupid election the USA will continue to be a terrible shithole with respect to its prison population.
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Oct 3, 2016 17:16
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Mel Mudkiper posted:" you’re strong & you can handle it, but some people can’t handle it.” because they're not getting the help they need, whether through therapy or support structures in their relationships, confounded by a myriad of further mental images. Like it's a bad sentence to say but the dude just has the vocabulary of a five year old, and you can watch the video and it's plainly clear he's not calling victims of suicide "weak" Like in the world where he's bragging about not paying taxes, losing a billion dollars in a year, and angrily tweeting about sex tapes at 3 AM, the statement "Donald Trump isn't very good at articulating rhetorically sensitive issues" isn't even a blip on the radar.
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Oct 3, 2016 17:17
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GalacticAcid posted:The Intercept has a good article up about the ongoing prison strike and its (intentional) echoes of the Attica Prison Riot. A good reminder, one of the candidates has talked extensively about the need to reform the prison system.
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Oct 3, 2016 17:18
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:A good reminder, one of the candidates has talked extensively about the need to reform the prison system. Cool, I'm glad. I'm not optimistic anything of substance will change given the persistent power of the states.
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Oct 3, 2016 17:19
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Bushiz posted:because they're not getting the help they need, whether through therapy or support structures in their relationships, confounded by a myriad of further mental images. Yeah, I think people are maybe jumping on it a bit optimistically because veterans are the one sacred cow even Trump's supporters still have. If he badmouths vets or, say, a Gold Star family, it's going to backfire on him worse than any corruption. It doesn't help that it's him saying it. It's very easy to interpret everything he says in the worst possible way because it's him saying it.
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Oct 3, 2016 17:20
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GalacticAcid posted:Cool, I'm glad. I'm not optimistic anything of substance will change given the persistent power of the states. We can make a lot of meaningful reform just by making changes to the federal prison system. State prison systems require more extensive work, but its not as if its not on the agenda for one of the candidates.
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Oct 3, 2016 17:21
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Bushiz posted:because they're not getting the help they need, whether through therapy or support structures in their relationships, confounded by a myriad of further mental images. Please allow me not to give a single gently caress about the context of anything Donald Trump says. If he ever had that benefit of the doubt, he drat sure doesn't anymore.
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Hmm, yes, I feel we should give Donald Trump the benefit of the doubt.
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theflyingorc posted:The assault on defense attorneys as being bad people because they defend bad people makes me very angry 
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mdemone posted:Please allow me not to give a single gently caress about the context of anything Donald Trump says. If he ever had that benefit of the doubt, he drat sure doesn't anymore. No one's denying that he's a loving monster, but when you pick out, like, the single point in his campaign where Trump is (badly) trying to express sympathy and compassion and shout "LOOK AT WHAT A MONSTER HE'S BEING" it looks real loving bad, especially when it's surrounded by plenty of poo poo that has no trouble making him look loving crazy.
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Antti posted:She screwed up the timestamp, here's a direct link to the answer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_5kh-z4IXA&t=4036s It's real easy to sidestep this one with "Well, he said we need to do something more about mental health right after!" It's a pretty horrifically tone-deaf thing to say but if most people can't understand why ableist language is offensive in the first place they aren't going to care about this I wish this was more than it is 
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Oct 3, 2016 17:27
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Gallup found that support for the death penalty was at it's lowest recorded level last year. It was 64% in favor. Yeah, California has the death penalty on the ballot again and it's still sailing for a "keep the death penalty" win. In fact the opposing "death penalty, but faster" proposition has 75% support in recent polls. The only reason Americans have trunks with the death penalty is that it doesn't happen immediately after conviction, allowing Americans the opportunity to worry that people are getting off by having the opportunity to appeal.
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Oct 3, 2016 17:28
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JazzFlight posted:Wait, I found a pic of the people who put that attack ad together: The Trek Thread is talking about Trump, and the Trump Thread is talking about Trek rn
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Oct 3, 2016 17:28
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ImpAtom posted:"You're strong and you can handle it. Some people can't handle it (because they're weak)" is the worst possible way to frame that. He didn't say they're weak but he drat well implied. This requires a willingness to carefully parse Trump that no Trump supporter actually possesses.
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Even if this doesn't get traction in the media (probably won't, but you never know), you can bet your rear end this is coming up at the debates.
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Bushiz posted:when you pick out, like, the single point in his campaign where Trump is (badly) trying to express sympathy and compassion and shout "LOOK AT WHAT A MONSTER HE'S BEING" it looks real loving bad... Nah.
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