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I almost finished reading the KoW2 rules last night and they're pretty great, simple, and strategic. I was all prepared to ask if a unit gets 'disordered' if it takes a wound but kills its enemy in close combat, then I realized only the current player fights during his turn - so that couldn't happen. Super cool that this has been designed for fast play
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Captain Invictus posted:Those lizard dudes look so loving psyched to be there They escaped from warhammer to a better game.
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Jul 10, 2015 13:13
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NTRabbit posted:The Hill Giants from Bones 2 both fit on a 50mm base, source = me. The Weapons overhang, but that's not an issue, at least not to me edit: I am an idiot.
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Jul 10, 2015 13:26
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Is the new rules PDF out yet?
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Jul 10, 2015 13:50
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Seldom Posts posted:edit: I am an idiot. Ok 
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Jul 10, 2015 14:18
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Sure am enjoying some of the eBay fire sales on GW High Elves. $10 shipped for 20 models? Yes, please.
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Jul 10, 2015 14:28
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Most of the Forces of Nature look boring and trite to me but I love the Salamanders and Naiads.
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Jul 10, 2015 14:39
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Gravy Train Robber posted:Most of the Forces of Nature look boring and trite to me but I love the Salamanders and Naiads. It kind of lost some flavour when Gnomes were canned, because until then it was leaning towards being able to make your entire army, or the core of it, based on one element. Water (Naiads), Earth (Gnomes), Fire (Salamander) and Sylvan Kin became Water (Naiads, Naiad Harpooners), Fire (Salamanders), and Sylvan Kin. Only the large infantry elementals cover the four now.
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Jul 10, 2015 14:51
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muggins posted:I almost finished reading the KoW2 rules last night and they're pretty great, simple, and strategic. I was all prepared to ask if a unit gets 'disordered' if it takes a wound but kills its enemy in close combat, then I realized only the current player fights during his turn - so that couldn't happen. Super cool that this has been designed for fast play Seriously, it shows so much that they had a very specific idea of how everything should work. It feels like one efficient system, not like other games which feels like a frankenstein of other rulesets.
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NTRabbit posted:It kind of lost some flavour when Gnomes were canned, because until then it was leaning towards being able to make your entire army, or the core of it, based on one element. Water (Naiads), Earth (Gnomes), Fire (Salamander) and Sylvan Kin became Water (Naiads, Naiad Harpooners), Fire (Salamanders), and Sylvan Kin. Only the large infantry elementals cover the four now. poo poo, they lost Gnomes? I just heard about them yesterday and I was already searching for minis.
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Jul 10, 2015 15:30
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The Dregs posted:poo poo, they lost Gnomes? I just heard about them yesterday and I was already searching for minis. Gnomes/Halflings are getting their own army now.
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Jul 10, 2015 15:32
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Hijo Del Helmsley posted:Gnomes/Halflings are getting their own army now. Oh. Well thats loving awesome. Where can I get more info?
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Jul 10, 2015 15:34
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Hijo Del Helmsley posted:Gnomes/Halflings are getting their own army now. Is Mantic gonna make minis for them? 
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Jul 10, 2015 15:34
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They're the League of Rhodia in the warhammer army lists PDF. I think the idea is that they'd like to make models for them at some point, but won't be able to anytime soon.
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Jul 10, 2015 15:38
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edit. Nevermind, pdfs not loading correctly for me.
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Jul 10, 2015 17:18
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NTRabbit posted:The Hill Giants from Bones 2 both fit on a 50mm base, source = me. The Weapons overhang, but that's not an issue, at least not to me These are the exact figures Im thinking of as well. Do we have any idea when 2nd ed pdf is going to drop?
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Jul 10, 2015 17:22
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Any time now.
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Jul 10, 2015 17:29
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They arrive! http://www.manticgames.com/free-rules.html Galaga Galaxian fucked around with this message at 19:01 on Jul 10, 2015 |
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Jul 10, 2015 18:57
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Refresh, it's legit now.
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Jul 10, 2015 19:02
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This is curious - apparently the free army lists are now only a selection of the full army lists? I thought the whole thing would be available? I mean, I and my brother got in on the KS, but it does make it a harder pill to swallow for the people I recommended it to. Also why is the mini-rulebook 10 pounds (~15 bucks) but 25 bucks 
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Jul 10, 2015 19:02
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Huh. Is the elf book missing stuff? Seems like the light cavalry and a lot of the dryads and treemen are missing from what was in the army previously. What am I missing?
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Jul 10, 2015 19:10
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Germ posted:Huh. Is the elf book missing stuff? Seems like the light cavalry and a lot of the dryads and treemen are missing from what was in the army previously. What am I missing? They say on the main link page that the army lists available for free are only a large extract and that you have to get the physical book or something for the remainder.
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Jul 10, 2015 19:12
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That kinda sucks
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Jul 10, 2015 19:16
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Huh. I thought the free rules were supposed to be part of the draw. That's kinda crap. Ah, well.
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Jul 10, 2015 19:17
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Pyrolocutus posted:They say on the main link page that the army lists available for free are only a large extract and that you have to get the physical book or something for the remainder. Well that is pretty lame given the free army lists were full and complete in 1st edition. 
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Jul 10, 2015 19:18
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i imagine the free rules are enough to functionally play it and then decide if you want to buy the book, because otherwise that's almost GW levels of dumb
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Jul 10, 2015 19:18
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Still feels a bit unsporting, given the way it's been advertised.
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Jul 10, 2015 19:19
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I agree. E: To confirm, they definitely aren't the full lists. The rulebook is also missing the scenarios and magic artefacts.
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Jul 10, 2015 19:21
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Jul 10, 2015 19:21
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probably not a good idea to pull a fast one if you're trying to cater specifically to a group of customers who are actively choosing your product over another one because they're tired of the previous company loving with them
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Jul 10, 2015 19:23
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Daedleh posted:I agree. drat. This has been a frustrating week for fantasy army players 
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Jul 10, 2015 19:24
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So wait. Even if you do want to pay for the full rules, there's no PDF version, so you have to wait until they're available and then buy a physical copy? Or order one and wait for it to be delivered? So after announcing the launch of the rules for today, the full rules actually won't be available to anyone for another month or so (or whenever the book is available)?
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Jul 10, 2015 19:25
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Turns out Mantic is run by ex GW staff.
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Jul 10, 2015 19:26
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Yeah, what the hell? This is a massive bait and switch.
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Jul 10, 2015 19:33
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I get that they have to make their money somehow if they're allowing you to use competitors' minis and are putting out free rules, but this does feel pretty scummy. Why couldn't they have been upfront about it from the beginning? I wouldn't have cared.
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Jul 10, 2015 19:33
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spacegoat posted:I get that they have to make their money somehow if they're allowing you to use competitors' minis and are putting out free rules, but this does feel pretty scummy. Why couldn't they have been upfront about it from the beginning? I wouldn't have cared. better yet: just release free rules and if people already have full armies, they'll probably buy your rulebook anyways just so they have a nice copy of it and want to support your company (which were my plans)
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None of the new units for KoM are in the force list either... I can't really say I expected this behavior from Mantic.
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Jul 10, 2015 19:35
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Yeah it doesn't poison me against Mantic personally but they absolutely put a foot wrong here.
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Pyrolocutus posted:This is curious - apparently the free army lists are now only a selection of the full army lists? I thought the whole thing would be available? I mean, I and my brother got in on the KS, but it does make it a harder pill to swallow for the people I recommended it to. 10 pounds is $23.25, so $25 is pretty accurate. I just received an email from Mantic that they are putting out the full rulebook in PDF at some point, but they don't have an ETA. Daedleh posted:I agree. Did the 1st edition free rules contain the scenarios or artifacts? I thought they were scaled down as well. EDIT: Nope, I'm wrong - the 1st edition included at least some of that stuff, though the armies were pretty limited in the core rules anyway. berzerkmonkey fucked around with this message at 19:44 on Jul 10, 2015 |
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JerryLee posted:Yeah it doesn't poison me against Mantic personally but they absolutely put a foot wrong here. I'd go a bit farther than that. If this doesn't get fixed, I might boycott Mantic entirely.
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