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Pot Smoke Phoenix posted:New thread's up!  At first I thought this was just filmed real lovely, but watch to the end for a surprise! CW: beatz https://twitter.com/markito0171/status/1514017693053165571?s=20&t=PXnaj5k-Mcd-HiliGQuwjw Edit: the tweet says sensitive media but it's not KitConstantine fucked around with this message at 00:26 on Apr 13, 2022 |
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Lascivious Sloth posted:What makes them leftist? Everything you described just makes them sound like radical right wing. I don't see how you can be left leaning (in modern terms) and be in favor of fascism. That's a risk of categorising people like Bernie Sanders into this group who obviously is the opposite of fascist. I don't get why everyone tries to put a "left" tag on things. Russia are pumping their money into right wing pro-fascists, even if these people are "identifying" as left. Everything they are doing is under the banner of "leftism" and "anti imperialism." They try and "wake up" leftists and bring them into their delusional realm. These are people that were in Pro Palestine groups in high school, support Bernie Sanders, and hate institutions like the CIA and FBI. Even Blumenthal himself was a fairly normal leftist before taking a hard swing towards propaganda a number of years ago (he famously switched from being anti Assad to pro Assad almost over night). They're now overly emotional and prone to stupid knee jerk opinions spread by idiotic talking heads, propped up by a fairly extensive network of basically identical echo chambers. They've gone full idiot and are almost indistinguishable from the far right, hell sometimes they're a lot worse (and smug about it to boot). None of these pseudo journalists or streamers have unique takes or perspectives either, it's always about repeating the same trashy talking points that are straight out of the Russian propaganda playbook. These are basically naïve people that consider themselves leftists and are unknowingly consuming destructive propaganda. It sucks and I hate to see it, but it's growing more than ever right now. I agree with you this isn't really the left, just like it's obvious as hell that these people aren't true "anti imperialists." But they all believe they are and they're sucking in people from all sides of the political spectrum to join their idiotic echo chamber.
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KitConstantine posted:
Can someone please ask the Ukrainians nicely if, should they happen to I dunno, stumble across a live nuke or a nuke launcher abandoned in the field, to maybe not use it against Russia even though it may be justified and tempting and all that? Thanks in advance!
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Here's a deep-ish dive into Medvechuk and some recordings that have exposed him in the past: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZJG_RKktBQ
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KitConstantine posted:France with some big "we're helping too guys!!" energy Haha what?
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Mr Havafap posted:Haha what? For reference: https://twitter.com/yarotrof/status/1513925234411257861?s=20&t=PXnaj5k-Mcd-HiliGQuwjw Estonia the country has the same population as half of Paris. Not sure which half.
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Marshal Prolapse posted:Good Paywalled. Can someone inline the text?
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jmnmu posted:Everything they are doing is under the banner of "leftism" and "anti imperialism." They try and "wake up" leftists and bring them into their delusional realm. These are people that were in Pro Palestine groups in high school, support Bernie Sanders, and hate institutions like the CIA and FBI. Even Blumenthal himself was a fairly normal leftist before taking a hard swing towards propaganda a number of years ago (he famously switched from being anti Assad to pro Assad almost over night). They're now overly emotional and prone to stupid knee jerk opinions spread by idiotic talking heads, propped up by a fairly extensive network of basically identical echo chambers. They've gone full idiot and are almost indistinguishable from the far right, hell sometimes they're a lot worse (and smug about it to boot). None of these pseudo journalists or streamers have unique takes or perspectives either, it's always about repeating the same trashy talking points that are straight out of the Russian propaganda playbook. These are basically naïve people that consider themselves leftists and are unknowingly consuming destructive propaganda. It sucks and I hate to see it, but it's growing more than ever right now. I agree with you this isn't really the left, just like it's obvious as hell that these people aren't true "anti imperialists." But they all believe they are and they're sucking in people from all sides of the political spectrum to join their idiotic echo chamber. I dunno you sound stupid categorising it all into one. I consider myself leftist, I'm pro bernie and the crew and any progressive Democrats (who would be considered moderate in other countries) on "socialist" ideals (durr most of the western world is socialist). I'm pro palestine for a solution to stop the conflict. I don't know "leftists" hate CIA and FBI lol? They are just institutions of the government. Maybe you are describing "libertarians" as americans describe them? Actually you sound kinda off the charts mate. I think you are confusing a tiny tiny amount of weirdo pretend leftists who are just anarachist/libertarians (stupid people) comparing them to normal left people, and extreme right wing fascists pretending to be leftists, like that stupid Irish woman saying giving weapons to Ukraine is against peace and poo poo (whilst Russia is invading and genociding a people).
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Uncle Enzo posted:Paywalled. Can someone inline the text?  WaPo Article 'Pentagon looks to vastly expand weapons for Ukraine' quote:The Biden administration is poised to dramatically expand the scope of weapons it’s providing Ukraine, U.S. officials said Tuesday, with the Pentagon looking to send Mi-17 helicopters that can be equipped to attack Russian vehicles, armored Humvees and a range of other arms.
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Apr 13, 2022 00:22
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KitConstantine posted:
I've heard the same 3-5 bars of this song on it feels like half of the videos from this conflict, please someone tell me what it is so I can listen to the full thing and purge the earworm Tia Ps Putin continues to the the world's #1 consumer (figuratively and very literally) of horse cum
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Lascivious Sloth posted:What makes them leftist? Everything you described just makes them sound like radical right wing. I don't see how you can be left leaning (in modern terms) and be in favor of fascism. That's a risk of categorising people like Bernie Sanders into this group who obviously is the opposite of fascist. I don't get why everyone tries to put a "left" tag on things. Russia are pumping their money into right wing pro-fascists, even if these people are "identifying" as left. russia pumps money into outlets on both sides. you can argue "they're not really the left" but the reason we're describing them as that is that they self-identify that way and are widely considered to be left and were affiliated with established leftist media (via alternet) and have published actual leftist writing and journalism and the people their propaganda is targeting are on the left. it's a useful shorthand not an argument, i agree with you that these people cheering on imperial conquest aren't real leftists eke out fucked around with this message at 00:25 on Apr 13, 2022 |
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Uncle Enzo posted:Paywalled. Can someone inline the text? quote:The Biden administration is poised to dramatically expand the scope of weapons it’s providing Ukraine, U.S. officials said Tuesday, with the Pentagon looking to send Mi-17 helicopters that can be equipped to attack Russian vehicles, armored Humvees and a range of other arms.
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Lascivious Sloth posted:I dunno you sound stupid categorising it all into one. I consider myself leftist, I'm pro bernie and the crew and any progressive Democrats (who would be considered moderate in other countries) on "socialist" ideals (durr most of the western world is socialist). I'm pro palestine for a solution to stop the conflict. I don't know "leftists" hate CIA and FBI lol? They are just institutions of the government. Maybe you are describing "libertarians" as americans describe them? Actually you sound kinda off the charts mate. please read more about anarchism it’s relationship to leftism as a whole, not even theory, like basic history of leftism.
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Uncle Enzo posted:Paywalled. Can someone inline the text? not much just: The Biden administration is poised to dramatically expand the scope of weapons it’s providing Ukraine, U.S. officials said Tuesday, with the Pentagon looking to send Mi-17 helicopters that can be equipped to attack Russian vehicles, armored Humvees and a range of other arms. Are you on Telegram? Subscribe to our channel for the latest updates on Russia's war in Ukraine. The new aid package could be worth $750 million, these people said. They spoke on the condition of anonymity because the transfer has not yet been finalized.
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KitConstantine posted:France with some big "we're helping too guys!!" energy je suis! je suis! KitConstantine posted:For reference: lmao.
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Lascivious Sloth posted:I dunno you sound stupid categorising it all into one. I consider myself leftist, I'm pro bernie and the crew and any progressive Democrats (who would be considered moderate in other countries) on "socialist" ideals (durr most of the western world is socialist). I'm pro palestine for a solution to stop the conflict. I don't know "leftists" hate CIA and FBI lol? They are just institutions of the government. Maybe you are describing "libertarians" as americans describe them? Actually you sound kinda off the charts mate. It's leftist the way Tim Pool and Tulsi Gabbard are leftists ie they are right wing dipshits who start every sentence with "I am a leftist but..."
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teen witch posted:please read more about anarchism it’s relationship to leftism as a whole, not even theory, like basic history of leftism. The majority of left are actually just pro sensible regulation and social services/democratic socialist. You're focusing on a tiny tiny faction of self identified leftists (not actually in modern times) compared to an extremely pro fascists right wing conservative population. It's completely disproportionate. But yes i'm going to go "study" anarchisms relationship with leftism LOL B-Rock452 posted:It's leftist the way Tim Pool and Tulsi Gabbard are leftists ie they are right wing dipshits who start every sentence with "I am a leftist but..." and no significant population or anyone follows this poo poo.. I have never heard of these morons until it keeps being brought up here. They are not mainstream and not respected, I am sure.
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Lascivious Sloth posted:I dunno you sound stupid categorising it all into one. I consider myself leftist, I'm pro bernie and the crew and any progressive Democrats (who would be considered moderate in other countries) on "socialist" ideals (durr most of the western world is socialist). I'm pro palestine for a solution to stop the conflict. I don't know "leftists" hate CIA and FBI lol? They are just institutions of the government. Maybe you are describing "libertarians" as americans describe them? Actually you sound kinda off the charts mate. okay if you think leftists don't hate the CIA i think it's possible you've literally never met one
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grumplestiltzkin posted:I've heard the same 3-5 bars of this song on it feels like half of the videos from this conflict, please someone tell me what it is so I can listen to the full thing and purge the earworm Tia I think this may be it--the bit you're probably used to hearing comes about 45 seconds in: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLoqAGhzgB8 Sir John Falstaff fucked around with this message at 00:37 on Apr 13, 2022 |
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Lascivious Sloth posted:I dunno you sound stupid categorising it all into one. I'm trying to give you a picture of what this "anti imperialist" community mostly centred around the Grayzone is like. Lascivious Sloth posted:I consider myself leftist, I'm pro bernie and the crew and any progressive Democrats (who would be considered moderate in other countries) on "socialist" ideals (durr most of the western world is socialist). I'm pro palestine for a solution to stop the conflict. I don't know "leftists" hate CIA and FBI lol? They are just institutions of the government. Maybe you are describing "libertarians" as americans describe them? Actually you sound kinda off the charts mate. I'm not saying anyone that is pro Palestine, supports Bernie Sanders, or hates the CIA is part of this echo chamber. I'm saying people with those kinds of beliefs get sucked into this particular echo chamber. Someone asked me "how is this stuff even leftist" and I'm telling you the viewers and talking heads have those kinds of views. I am very sympathetic to Palestine, wanted Sanders to win, and am a critic of the FBI and CIA myself. I got to know this community because I have some shared beliefs with them. Lascivious Sloth posted:I think you are confusing a tiny tiny amount of weirdo pretend leftists who are just anarachist/libertarians (stupid people) comparing them to normal left people, and extreme right wing fascists pretending to be leftists, like that stupid Irish woman saying giving weapons to Ukraine is against peace and poo poo (whilst Russia is invading and genociding a people). Maybe I didn't express myself well but I don't think you understood me. I'm saying that the people that support someone like Aaron Mate (who has referenced that Irish woman multiple times) have a relatively traditional leftist belief set and believe that he isn't radical and are basically eating up his lovely propaganda without critical thought. jmnmu fucked around with this message at 00:38 on Apr 13, 2022 |
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eke out posted:okay if you think leftists don't hate the CIA i think it's possible you've literally never met one Yeah true, my mistake. CIA is definitely hated/not respected (by most people)? I mean, I completely agree with that assessment though. It is more that their mission/directive/agenda is unknown and not clear, and their history shows they have just generated a lot of political outcomes that have negatively impacted Americans. I wonder what they are doing in Ukraine. If anything, if the progress of Ukraine and NATO is any indication, they may have actually been making a massive difference in Ukraine.. or maybe that's just been the US military, it's hard to know. jmnmu posted:I'm trying to give you a picture of what this "anti imperialist" community mostly centred around the Grayzone is like. Sensible reply, and I respect that. I guess I agree, I just don't see that there are many people that follow these extreme channels and views so I think its a small minorty that shouldn't tarnish a decent point of view as social democrat/leftist/democratic (in view, not party). The extrems of the conservative republicas/QAN/Trump are much more perverse, far reaching, everywhere, and destructive- what you are saying I feel detracts from those REAL threats which won a presidency. Lascivious Sloth fucked around with this message at 00:38 on Apr 13, 2022 |
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jmnmu posted:I'm saying that the people that support someone like Aaron Mate (who has referenced that Irish woman multiple times) have a relatively traditional leftist belief set and believe that he isn't radical. Maté is a great example because he spent 4 years of the Trump presidency basically exclusively writing about how libs were all insane to believe Russia tried to influence the 2016 election and that Trump never did anything wrong and that it was all just hysteria. The seamless transition into "CIA warmongers want war in Ukraine and NATO is provoking it" for several months followed by "actually Russia's invasion of Ukraine was good" makes it pretty clear what his job is. eke out fucked around with this message at 00:40 on Apr 13, 2022 |
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Lascivious Sloth posted:I don't know "leftists" hate CIA and FBI lol? U trollin m8
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KitConstantine posted:For reference: The article is just making estimations and provides zero hard figures? The 120 millions Euros is what they could garner but isn't the total official figure since that isn't communicated by the French government. They're helping, the Ukrainians aren't complaining, *shrug*
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Pot Smoke Phoenix posted:Can someone please ask the Ukrainians nicely if, should they happen to I dunno, stumble across a live nuke or a nuke launcher abandoned in the field, to maybe not use it against Russia even though it may be justified and tempting and all that? I don't have a twitter account so it won't let me see it. What's going on?
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Linux Pirate posted:I don't have a twitter account so it won't let me see it. What's going on? tiktok link - https://www.tiktok.com/embed/7085633043540512005 It's more russian equipment capture I just think this one is particularly funny Mr Havafap posted:The article is just making estimations and provides zero hard figures? I think you'll find that the Ukrainians have very explicitly been complaining about not recieving enough help. And the article says it doesn't provide official figures because the french government, unlike p much every other euro government, is refusing to share them - which is a thing you do when a number definitely doesn't make you look bad.
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eke out posted:okay if you think leftists don't hate the CIA i think it's possible you've literally never met one Yup. What do you call someone whose #1 priority in life is "I hate capitalism in general and the American capitalist government in particular"? Whatever word you choose, that's what these guys are. And while the above is not a definition of "leftist" outside of cheap jabs, it has one hell of a bigger Venn diagram overlap with the leftist crowd than with the right-wing crowd. And for those who think it's all a fringe online phenomenon: I can't speak for America, but come to Southern Europe and you'll find quite the opposite. Young online progressives are more likely to be socially active and to plaster Ukraine flags all over their TikToks, but it's the crusty older Marxists for whom "NATO is Satan" has been an article of faith since at least the 90s, and it's these guys in their 40s and older who are posting boomer-esque "both sides are bad, war is always bad, stop sending weapons" takes on Facebook, and who dominate IRL leftist organisation. The Holy Days of the Italian left-wing calendar are coming up (April 25th + May 1st) and the associated traditional celebrations are looking likely to become a shitshow as half the institutions are going to protest Putin and the other half are going to protest "NATO warmongering". Comedy bonus: this group of young Communists has found a... creative way to reconcile their broken brain syndrome:  (The sign says "PUTIN IS NATO'S SLAVE")
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Lascivious Sloth posted:Sensible reply, and I respect that. I guess I agree, I just don't see that there are many people that follow these extreme channels and views so I think its a small minorty that shouldn't tarnish a decent point of view as social democrat/leftist/democratic (in view, not party). The extrems of the conservative republicas/QAN/Trump are much more perverse, far reaching, everywhere, and destructive- what you are saying I feel detracts from those REAL threats which won a presidency. As pointed out earlier the "grayzone left" influence is actually decently big, their realm of influence is wide and they get exposure to millions of people. It's especially pernicious because it sucks in well meaning people, gets them angry by obfuscating facts, and make it seem that they are legit journalists that are being persecuted by the status quo. They play on people's understandable distrust of mainstream sources but provide them with a load of bullshit in place. It's quite effective propaganda done for small amounts of money in the grand scheme of things. Like I said most of these people in this community have just drunk the kool aid and are willingly spreading this crap. True leftists (or really anyone that doesn't want to get duped) need to realize that this kind of propaganda exists and is spreading amongst left and right communities alike.
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Tunicate posted:The fringe troskyists at wsws are asking the russian proletariat to rise up and displace putin, but also saying that nato wanting a refime change is bad i want to punch someone in the face just spin me and push me in the direction and ill come out swingin
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KitConstantine posted:
You're right, the Ukrainians have been asking for all the assistance they can get, what I meant was they haven't specifically been accusing the French of having a tight purse. But I think assuming a government would decline to share figures because it wouldn't make them look good is just .. there are several valid reasons for that. According to this France pledged €300M, and that was back in late february.
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Mr Havafap posted:You're right, the Ukrainians have been asking for all the assistance they can get, what I meant was they haven't specifically been accusing the French of having a tight purse. eh fair enough. Macron's phonecalls with Putin have biased me maybe. In other news MAPS https://twitter.com/War_Mapper/status/1514031809381777415?s=20&t=0bIGNdPK-fWklYv1K_iBew Mariupol-specific https://twitter.com/War_Mapper/status/1514032722938933252?s=20&t=0bIGNdPK-fWklYv1K_iBew
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Marshal Prolapse posted:Good An addition to this: https://twitter.com/DanLamothe/status/1514022570957365251 . . .but apparently helicopters aren't going to be in it this time after all: https://twitter.com/DanLamothe/status/1514034167071260674
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Sir John Falstaff posted:An addition to this: my guess is they arnt sure of the old soviet ones are in good conditions. but giving the ukrainians loving predator drones seems like a good option too.
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Russia should crumble into the ground with zero economy and then everyone kills Putin and Putin pals and then Russia becomes a normal place and we're all friends and then the same thing happens in China except no war just everyone spazz and kill government and then there's a better gov there too and then tibet gets free and Russia breaks up into other countries sand then india rockets into space but no one knows why but there ok and then wambo bambo the environment gets safe
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