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n8r posted:Actually the numbers you came up with were totally different, so I really am not sure where yours were coming from. I would think that you could possibly find an NC slightly used for a real nice price. I'm not sure how well the NC has even been selling to be honest. When I went shopping for my NC, I found with bargaining, you could get a brand new Miata for the same price as the used ones in the area. Used NCs were going for $21-22K, and I ended up getting my Touring with sports package and 6 disc for $21.5K. Also, I noticed that the base models were often optioned out to the tune of $2-3K (the main culprits being aero kits and stereo upgrades), which generally put them in the same price range as the much better equipped touring models. In Dallas at least, the Miata market seems really odd.
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IOwnCalculus posted:This was a common 'issue' with the RX-8, too - you may not realize it but if you're not looking at the tach, you may be shifting anywhere from 500 to 1500RPM (or even more in the case of the RX-8) too soon. In the NA and NB Miatas (having never driven an NC I can't confirm for them but I doubt it's changed that much) you need to shift near the ragged edge of the rev limiter to make the most of the engine. The BP four-cylinder in the NA and NB is perfectly happy with seeing 7000RPM nearly every single day - I know ours does I've noticed I'll shift a good 1-2K shy of the redline in spirited around the town driving and it still feels quicker than my old VR6 GTI ever did (which I realize is hardly a fast car, but it's nothing I would call anemic). I actually find myself watching the tach when I'm getting on it because I'll find myself shifting early otherwise. The MZR seems just as happy as the BP to kiss 7000 on a regular basis. Grover, did you drive a 5 speed or 6 speed? The 6 speed was noticeably peppier and quicker when I test drove. Also, In my experience, at the lot the tourings with 6 speeds go for the same price as base 5 speeds; they love to pile options on the base ones, while leaving the tourings relatively stripped.
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grover posted:It was a 5-speed sport model; I'm looking more at a touring w/auto, though. I'll test-drive an auto when it comes up; I may very well have been shifting early. You need to drive the six speed and get this silly little notion of buying an automatic Miata out of your head.  I can see why the Miata felt anemic to you if you were expecting even V6 Camaro levels of torque. Like everyone else has said, the Miata is a revver and you need to whip the piss out of that motor to feel its power.
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Nov 3, 2007 21:11
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7744 posted:350Z Vert. Yeah, but I'm sure he wants something that looks good too.
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Nov 4, 2007 21:56
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grover posted:I noticed in the NC documentation that it require premium fuel. What's the drawback to using regular 87 octane? I imagine the computer would automatically adjust timing, etc, to compensate and prevent pinging- loss of power? Additional engine wear? My 2007 recommends premium fuel, but is apparently happy enough to run on regular. I'm not a cheap rear end, so I go with the recommended gas.
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Nov 5, 2007 22:46
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destructo posted:
Yeah, that vacuum tube is going to have to be replaced constantly.
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Dec 7, 2007 20:25
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Amir posted:I think that's just for show Ahh, so it's "Valvestate."
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Dec 8, 2007 00:11
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I'm pretty sure Goodwin Racing makes a bar for the NC.
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Apr 10, 2008 19:03
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Guinness posted:
They made it look like some anime character, but somehow not in a bad way. As far as the 2012 update is concerned, I think that in the end, it really doesn't matter all that much what the Miata looks like, as long as it's not total poo poo. Honestly, no generation of Miata has exactly set the styling world aflame; they've all been pretty simple and conservative designs. There's always going to be a market for no bullshit, simple, fun roadsters. As long as the styling doesn't piss anyone off, it will continue to be a success. Oh, and gently caress you haters. I like the NC's looks. 
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GOD IS BED posted:I got the Motorsport Race muffler from Goodwin Racing, and I will definitely take a good before and after video. Unfortunately, I'm moving into a new house, so it will likely be mid March before I can get it installed. From a few pages back, but you ain't getting a Honda sound with that. Your car is gonna sound like a classic European roadster, all pops and blats and backfires. That was the muffler I had on my NC, and it sounded loving awesome.
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Mar 20, 2014 17:38
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GOD IS BED posted:aaaaa that sounds even better, I want to be done moving already! Maybe I can get it on this weekend... It's not hard to install, and it looks really good to boot. The sound is just perfect. It's like the missing piece that completes that car. You made a great choice. Start looking for overpasses and tunnels.
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Mar 20, 2014 23:57
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Close, this one: http://www.good-win-racing.com/Mazda-Performance-Part/60-1326.html E: And I wasn't the guy who got the name wrong
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Mar 21, 2014 21:09
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GOD IS BED posted:Found some time while moving to put on my muffler. It's night and day, huh? destructo posted:It's definitely louder but with the baffle in it's not much different. I didn't even bother with the baffle. There's a drone, but it's nothing on top of the wind noise and tire roar.
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Mar 23, 2014 22:03
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Harmburger posted:Not too much louder, noticeable, but not excessive. My wife has no complaints. It changes the tone, but doesn't overdo it on the volume. Man, I am glad to hear another goon loving that muffler. It makes me wish I still had my NC. 
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May 25, 2014 02:52
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From that it sounds like the motor will certainly be just a slightly hotted up Skyactive 2 liter. I was kinda hoping for something more special, but I'm not surprised.
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Jul 16, 2014 22:50
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Phone posted:All Miatas have had FWD powerplants. Yeah, that's why I'm not surprised. Also, I'm almost certain the Alfa is gonna end up as a Fiat. That's what all the recent rumors have pointed to at least.
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Jul 16, 2014 23:18
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Savington posted:I strongly question the logic of people who think that Mazda has designed a bespoke sub-200whp turbocharged engine specifically for the Miata. I think the idea is that motor would also power a Mazdaspeed 2 or something. But I don't buy it. It did sound like their was turbo whistle in that driving video, but it could be something else or just bullshit sound editing. Those numbers make it sound like a warmed over Skyactive. If it were a turbo motor, the HP and Tq figures would probably be reversed.
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Jul 17, 2014 03:38
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mobby_6kl posted:Anyway, the ND's weight is actually pretty impressive, but 160hp @ like 6k RPM makes me a bit The motor in the 3 makes 155@6000, so my guess is this will make it's peak around 65-800. Nodoze posted:I've driven a 3 with that engine and it's definitely underpowered. Hopefully it won't feel so bad not having 500lbs of addition weight on there. I wonder how the gearing will be compared to the 3, since I imagine they would go a little more aggressive with it on the lower gears I'm sure it will have significantly shorter gearing than the 3. While achieving better fuel economy is definitely one of Mazda's goals here, they aren't as compelled to get a 40mpg highway rating, and the numbers on the NC are 21/28. So they have a lot of room to make the powertrain more agressive and still achieve major efficiency gains.
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Jul 17, 2014 17:14
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. Even the ~150hp 1.8l BPs were somewhat underpowered 15 years ago, now this is getting a bit silly and I'm not even all about powaaaah.
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leica posted:But how is it going to respond to spirited and aggressive driving that's the question. We know it's good on gas, but has anyone really wrung it out on a track? I assume it's gonna be drive by wire, how will respond to heel/toe? How does it rev? How does it sound? I'm just concerned that this motor may have no business being in a Miata, but I hope I'm wrong. As others have pointed out, every Miata motor has begun as a pedestrian economy motor. The MZR in my NC wasn't anything really special, but it revved freely, pulled well enough, and sounded great once I put a Roadstersport race catback on it (see upthread for how great others find that exhaust). This motor is supposed to make similar power and about ten percent more torque in a 200 pound lighter car. I don't think you need to be worried unless you are really hoping Mazda would break their trend and design a special motor just for the ND, and in that case, I think your expectations are unrealistic.
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Jul 17, 2014 18:16
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leica posted:I never suggested Mazda should have designed a special motor for the Miata. "Super high compression" is also a trick for adding power (and so are the equal length headers that necessitate that long rear end hood on the 3). You keep talking about the Skyactive motor like it's some miser's job, but the whole point of Skyactive is a holistic approach to fuel economy, not just a rinky-dink engine. The motor "designed specifically for fuel economy" also makes 155/150. They're clearly going to tune it up on top of that. And again, every Miata motor has begun as a pedestrian motor. You are talking as if the base MZR was not designed for economy. I don't expect some amazing motor, and no one should--that's never been a Miata ingredient--but considering Mazda's dedication to building a real drivers' car in the Miata, I'm sure it will be good enough.
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Jul 17, 2014 19:10
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leica posted:Sure the numbers look good on paper, but that doesn't necessarily mean it's going to be well received in a Miata. As far as tuning, I'm not sure how much farther they can push a motor with that kind of compression. Besides: Dude, you keep ignoring the part where I keep saying that every Miata motor has begun as a econobox motor. And they can tune it for more power--they have basically said so--it will probably just lose some efficiency. It's not like having a high compression means they can't put in some hotter cams and bigger valves and increase the timing some. That's what they did for the BP and MZR. Besides: IOwnCalculus posted:It's not like it's a laggy, sluggish motor? I've driven my sister-in-law's 2.0L 3 a few times and while it's not particularly quick, it's not bad by any means.
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leica posted:Dude, I'm not ignoring it, I talked about it a few posts back already? What does it matter anyway, it's not the friggin point I'm debating, my point was how the new motor will be received by Miata enthusiasts and auto journalists that are actually going to be driving it when it comes out. If you want to go by how it looks on paper and what Mazda says, I guess it's going to be the best Miata ever? Go ahead, I'll reserve my judgment until someone actually drives the drat thing. Alright man, if you're not worried about the motor's reception because of its economy car roots, why are you worried? And don't act like I'm some fanboy saying, "best Miata ever!" I said I think the motor will be good enough, which is par for the Miata course.
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leica posted:I'm just concerned that this motor may have no business being in a Miata, but I hope I'm wrong. Okay, man.
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Jul 18, 2014 05:02
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The front looks like it was made in Italy. The back looks like it was made in England. And the thing is actually made in Japan. Good work, Mazda.
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Blaise posted:That's fine. I have driven an SUV. I think its a great tool. Oh jeez. A tiny digital camera and a small LCD aren't adding complexity to your purist experience.
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Sep 4, 2014 16:47
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Blaise posted:Sure does. It's extra engineering cost, extra production cost, and who knows whether it will be a required item to pass safety inspection in the future. It is literally two off-the-shelf components and some wiring where wiring already goes in bundles.
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Sep 4, 2014 19:35
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Phone posted:It's going to be the 2.0L making between 160-165hp and, more importantly, 155+ ft-lbs of torque. The US Miata will get the 2.0 as the base engine. ROW will get a smaller base engine with the 2.0 as an upgrade. Same as it ever was.
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Sep 13, 2014 21:44
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Cakefool posted:ROW can take advantage of the lower weight, fatass Americans need a larger engine to get the same effect. Take your underpowered car excuses to the Toyobaru thread.
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Remember that since the 1.8 came out, RoW has had a smaller base engine than the US. Also, remember that Motortrend is the "my uncle who works for Nintendo" of car mags.
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IOwnCalculus posted:Seriously. Every midengine three valve V6 Corvette rumor has MT all over it. It's funny you say that. Apparently, C/D was disappointed in the amount of Miata info and scrapped the Miata cover story this month for a MT-esque cover story about the 2017 mid-engined Corvette Zora.
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Rhyno posted:The stock NC wheels are 17, it's not too much of a difference really. And the car already looks like it has a monster truck suspension. The base five-speed cars have 16s.
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Rhyno posted:Neat. My GT had the 17" alloys. Yeah, just about all of them came on 17s. I had the next step up from the base model, and the only differences were the six-speed, 17s and available sports package.
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Longinus00 posted:More new miata info! It's probably a combination of more aggressive gearing and poorer aerodynamics. My understanding is that top up or down, a convertible is basically a billboard as far as air is concerned.
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