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NewFatMike
Jun 11, 2015

I use a bunch of HSS, but my work is primarily hobby and prototyping work.

Some of it could also be that American machinists tend to skew pretty old or are basically running on oral tradition, as evidenced by other elements of Practical Machinist* :v:

*And capital taking the vast majority of manufacturing jobs abroad in the 70s.

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NewFatMike
Jun 11, 2015

Depends on the tradesman and engineer, too :v:

NewFatMike
Jun 11, 2015

After you’re done grinding, regular vacuuming this stuff up is fine though, right?

Just getting to be a nervous nelly as I expand my home workshop which also is my WFH office.

NewFatMike
Jun 11, 2015

ZincBoy posted:

It is a terrible idea to do any significant metal grinding in a space you use for anything else. The dust gets everywhere and the sparks produced will ignite anything flammable.

I would not do hot metal work in a living space.

Noted! It’s really only for occasional deburring, thankfully. Just a tiny 4” disc. I’ll just take it outside when I really need to grind. Thanks for saving me a project to hook it up to dust collection :v:

NewFatMike
Jun 11, 2015

Metal additive manufacturing is loving wild. I’ve played with a few Desktop Metal parts they were always garbage.

I’ve gotten to do a few case studies with Velo3D parts and that stuff is very cool. Always needs finish machining and it takes forever, but you can do some crazy stuff with it. You can get super super clever about it, I’m curious that I haven’t seen foundries pick them up. But I guess polymer additive can do a lot of what they’d need most.

E: has anyone played with Markforged metal parts? I’m pretty curious, but the last time I was at a trade show with one of their booths it was a shitshow and I didn’t want to stick around for something that was a fun visit, not a work visit.

NewFatMike
Jun 11, 2015

tylertfb posted:

I kept ties with the dental printing place after I moved on, and had them print the odd part for me that couldn’t be machined (I had to make a pair of grippers for a robot to pick up DIMM chips that needed square inside corners and a wierd lead-in that I couldn’t do with my setup, etc). My riding buddy and erstwhile forum poster Oz Fox made himself a road bike frame from titanium tubes connected by 3D printed titanium lugs /head tube/bottom bracket. It’s ~almost~ straight and only about 2x as expensive as a nice custom welded TI frame would be! I think he had Markforged do it.

Oh that rules! I imagine the tubes are the primary source of wobble of titanium ones are anything like all other tubes.

NewFatMike
Jun 11, 2015

CarForumPoster posted:

He said wearing oily coveralls and smoking a cigarette while sweating over his Bridgeport

Mom said you’re not allowed to make fun of me on the internet anymore >=(

NewFatMike
Jun 11, 2015

FWIW people look at me like I’m the weirdo when I wear a respirator while running MDF/wood jobs so there’s plenty of unsafe folks out there still!

NewFatMike
Jun 11, 2015

Does air assist on a lathe get you as much mileage as it does on mills? Could be a decent compromise.

NewFatMike
Jun 11, 2015

Yooper posted:

Has anyone here done a Stuart unmachined kit before? I'm looking at doing one of these with the kiddo, https://www.stuartmodels.com/product/stuart-s50-unmachined/ and I'm curious how everything arrives and what the plans look like.

I don’t know if it’s exactly the same, but it looks an awful lot like the Blondihacks engine from this playlist. No clue if they’re the same size or scale but this might give you an idea of what you’re getting into:

https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLY67-4BrEae-XWDD_Bd8Fj823Jarqofbw

NewFatMike
Jun 11, 2015

Dance Officer posted:

Does anyone in this thread know anything about cad/cam and cnc machining in orthopedics? Having finished machinist school recently I've started to think about how I want to develop professionally and what I'd like to end up doing. I like machining but I'd like to focus a bit more on helping and interacting with people, and I'd like to end up doing complex and challenging machining work.

I’m a CAM specialist at my SOLIDWORKS reseller; I know some of my colleagues were in orthopedic design but that was back in the 80s I think.

Let me know if I can help, I’ve been around the block on a handful of CAM packages and am happy to help if I can!

NewFatMike
Jun 11, 2015

Dance Officer posted:

I currently work at a job shop (it was an apprenticeship thing where I work 3 days and go to school for 2), and while I have a lot left to learn there I'm probably going to hit a wall at some point. We make a lot of pretty difficult but not really difficult parts, usually a lot of repeat products in small batches as well. The shop isn't very modern in terms of machines, the people doing the programming, the level of automation involved or the tooling used.

There's shops around here that do a lot more complex work, but they don't hire people straight out of machinist school to be anything but operators, which I don't want to do. I'd also like to have a social dimension to my work that isn't management.

Only half joking, join up with a MasterCAM reseller or something and jump ship to a customer.

What software package have you worked with? Oftentimes there are certifications for particular software packages and using that in my keywords is how I found my current job. Actual machinist school + software certification + apprenticeship is probably pretty tempting to anyone looking for it.

NewFatMike
Jun 11, 2015

Karia posted:

I'm curious, what do you think would need to be included to build a tool maker training curriculum to try to get some younger people in? Most job shops aren't going to have the resources/foresight to train in-house, so having an accreditation available seems like the right option. Obviously a fresh graduate would need a lot of on-the-job practice to get really good, it's no replacement for experience. But do you think there's some way to get people the right skillset to at least get started more quickly? Is it even possible to get the required combination of manufacturing/engineering/systems thinking without a decade+ of experience? Or do you really just need to have the right person who's capable of spanning all those different fields?

From my perspective, the closest thing right now is precision engineering programs, but that's a very limited pool and it's 8+ years of undergrad/grad school and the graduates have PhDs and way more lucrative options. Kinda makes me think the best way would be an upskilling class for experienced technically-minded machinists to start going into more formal engineering and design. But it's also difficult to imagine job shops letting their best employees take a lot of time to pursue additional education... Not sure I see a good way to square this circle.

First semester is learning every version of “the old ball bearing trick.”

First time I used trig IRL I realized how bad my math curricula were.

NewFatMike
Jun 11, 2015

leper khan posted:

Is there something obvious I'm missing i could do to keep the gear in place?

Is the join metal on plastic? If it’s metal on metal you’ve got loads of options from Loctite. If not, you might be stuck with hitting the drill press and hand tap to get a set screw in there.

quote:

And if I want/need to get a brass replacement, where do I go to get that fabricated?

The answer varies on whether it’s a custom gear or not. If you can figure out the diameter and number of teeth that’ll answer whether you can get something off the shelf from McMaster or need to get it made elsewhere.

On that note, has anyone here used a fiber laser cut or water jet cut gear? If the material is thin enough and it’s an uncommon gear, Send Cut Send could probably make you one pretty cheap. I just don’t know if they’re too sloppy coming off a hot process like lasers for precision use.

Plenty of folks here know more than me so I’m just spitballing with where I’d start.

NewFatMike
Jun 11, 2015

Anyone have a favorite enamel spray paint and primer? I’m gonna strip and repaint this vintage coffee grinder. I haven’t taken it apart to figure it out if the body is like cast zinc or sheet metal, if that matters. Definitely keeping it black and white.

NewFatMike
Jun 11, 2015

Two votes works for me, thanks friends!

NewFatMike
Jun 11, 2015

Nerobro posted:

Everything is Jazz if your mind is open enough.

It’s more about the joins you don’t make.

NewFatMike
Jun 11, 2015

Shop aprons rule! I forgot to take my impact prescription glasses off yesterday so I’ve been wearing my pair with the little side protection wings for a day.

Protective gear is cool.

NewFatMike
Jun 11, 2015

Kaiser Schnitzel posted:

Side shields on glasses say 'I don't gently caress, but I can rebuild modern society if needed'

NewFatSpouse says we need water based lube because it’s not “that kind” of tap magic.

NewFatMike
Jun 11, 2015

Yooper posted:

Anyone going to FabTech in Chicago?

Aiming for it, work should get me in for free

NewFatMike
Jun 11, 2015

Kaiser Schnitzel posted:

Is SendCutSend usually reasonably competitive on pricing for basic 'piece of plate with some holes in it' stuff or is it worth shopping around? They will do the 9"x9" 1/4" plate with a 1" hole in the middle I need for like $50, and it doesn't seem worth bothering my local waterjet shop about it to save $5 but might be worth it to save $25.

My experience has been that it’s competitive, but adding bending and finishing starts to really make it less appealing, but also :effort: it’s all coming from one place.

NewFatMike
Jun 11, 2015

Kinda related, can you use a rotary broach in a drill press? I’ve only ever seen them on lathes and mills, but intuitively I can’t really see why not.

NewFatMike
Jun 11, 2015

Sagebrush posted:

why in god's name does the thickness of a given gauge of sheet metal depend on what kind of metal it is

20ga mild steel: .034
20ga stainless: .038
20ga brass: .032
20ga galvanized: .040
20ga aluminum: .032
20ga copper: .035

aaagh

Because there is a just God who punishes Americans for using imperial.

NewFatMike
Jun 11, 2015

That was my reaction when I saw letter sizes in imperial drill charts for the first time.

NewFatMike
Jun 11, 2015

Vevor make pretty decent kit, or they put their name on alright stuff at least.

Luckily we Americans are just as capable of making overpriced garbage as anyone in any country :fsmug:

NewFatMike
Jun 11, 2015

Oh hell yeah because I have a bunch of metric tooling and those various drawers are gonna need new labels.

NewFatMike
Jun 11, 2015

Hadlock posted:

I've been seeing a lot of "Wen" branded stuff, seems... Ok? Maybe half of quarter step down from Bauer

Wen’s benchtop drill presses (and likely some other stuff I haven’t noticed) are pit mainstays in combat robotics. A buddy of mine loves his.

The only reason I don’t have one is because I wanted grizzly green in my shop.

NewFatMike
Jun 11, 2015

meowmeowmeowmeow posted:

The people who think Titan is cool and good, guy is a massive tool.

I hate that dude so goddamn much. He’s completely unavoidable for 3DEXPERIENCE WORLD.

NewFatMike
Jun 11, 2015

Yooper posted:

On the plus side we're seeing some some folks do a "pricing scorecard" where they balance actual $$$ price, with modifiers for quality and delivery. So suddenly that $2 part looks expensive compared to our $3 part.

I haven’t seen this methodology before. Do you basically get someone’s part or drawings and say “doing it right and this week costs $X; if you have only 2 critical callouts it costs $X-Y, if you can receive it next month it costs $X-Z, if you can do both it costs $X-Y-Z”?

NewFatMike
Jun 11, 2015

Ohh gotcha that’s the opposite side of the equation I was thinking of. Also I was going to say that it sounds dumb as hell that it isn’t standard but I’ve interacted with purchasers before so

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NewFatMike
Jun 11, 2015

That’s pretty fucken dope

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