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rump buttman
Feb 14, 2018

I just wish I had time for one more bowl of chili



honda whisperer posted:

I need to find a 5c collet chuck that isn't hydraulicly tightened. Need to hold round stock on a rotary table.

I've been googling it but idk poo poo about lathes and I'm missing some kind of terminology or something.

Recommendations?

What you really want if money is no object is a harig ultra grind 5c

http://www.harigmfg.com/ultragrind5cv.html

Keep your eye out, you can find them used for about a grand, but they only pop up a few times a year

Suburban Tool also makes a real precise 5c indexer, https://www.subtool.com/st/mg5cvs1_master-grind_spin_index_fixture.html

Our shop uses a harig for ejector pins and some electrode work.

Edit: I realized I sound like a dumbass with my “really want” poo poo. The harig and subtool are just super precise. If you need a tool with good precision for long term use, give them a look.

rump buttman fucked around with this message at 19:38 on Mar 26, 2018

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rump buttman
Feb 14, 2018

I just wish I had time for one more bowl of chili



What size stock did you start with?

rump buttman
Feb 14, 2018

I just wish I had time for one more bowl of chili



Dumb question. For a low production tool room mill, are brushless motors worth ~4% mark up? A replacement would run ~2% with the mill having 3.

I’m starting to think it might be worth the difference.

Basically, I don’t know poo poo about brush vs brushless from a practical POV. Can a goon help undumb me

rump buttman
Feb 14, 2018

I just wish I had time for one more bowl of chili



Can anyone direct me to a good beginners guide to carbide inserts? I’m thinking of getting a 3/4 indexable end mill for pockets in tool steel assuming it is cost effective.

rump buttman
Feb 14, 2018

I just wish I had time for one more bowl of chili



Who are SImplemachines?

rump buttman
Feb 14, 2018

I just wish I had time for one more bowl of chili



if you keep your lathe well oiled, I'm not sure you could really hurt those ways with l steel, aluminum, copper, brass chips/swarth.

rump buttman
Feb 14, 2018

I just wish I had time for one more bowl of chili




Are you planning on sticking a rotary table on your mill?

rump buttman
Feb 14, 2018

I just wish I had time for one more bowl of chili



you need a diamond wheel to grind carbide

carbide is really loving tough

rump buttman
Feb 14, 2018

I just wish I had time for one more bowl of chili



If you are looking at the midwest give tool and die shops a serious look. There are a ton class a tool shops in the region that do very interesting work.

One area to check out is around Madison, WI. Lots of shops, really fun town, not far away from Chicago, and cheaper housing than any coast in addition to Northern WI being gorgeous, cheese curds and pre-funking Friday fish fry's before a movie.

rump buttman
Feb 14, 2018

I just wish I had time for one more bowl of chili



Yooper posted:

I see a Madison roadtrip in my future. What is pre-funking a fish fry?

I hear great things about Madison. I had a chance to move there out of college to work for a medical software company.

Every fish fry I've ever been to in WI has had you wait at the bar before you get seated and in my experience, it's hard not to get sloshed before all you can eat fried food. ymmv

rump buttman
Feb 14, 2018

I just wish I had time for one more bowl of chili



His Divine Shadow posted:

That's a few hundred for a pallet to my garage door. The price including shipping is still half the average price these go for, albeit they are in nicer looking shape.





I note on your sander that it looks like the motor will drive the belt on the sanding side? Any idea how that will hold up?

dope as gently caress

rump buttman
Feb 14, 2018

I just wish I had time for one more bowl of chili



Divine, what sort of floor do you have in your shop?I use a lever and some (homemade and overbuilt) skates to move around smaller machines (hardinge, XLO, harig, crystal lake).

rump buttman
Feb 14, 2018

I just wish I had time for one more bowl of chili



I haven't used it much, we got it in the 80s, and have sparsley used it in our custom mold shop. The thing is very stout, a real machine tool. We just don't have that much of use for it. It's belt driven.



We joke about a few of our machines being more towards museum pieces than tools we use. We've also got a Hauser jig bore from the 4o's and a deckel pantograph. The Hauser is 8500 lbs and still holds insane tolerances. The deckel is pretty cool, but very tiring to use. We don't really use any of the three machines anymore but that are all pretty dope in the overbuilt machines of yore kinda way.

rump buttman fucked around with this message at 02:34 on Dec 4, 2018

rump buttman
Feb 14, 2018

I just wish I had time for one more bowl of chili



The crystal lake design, osha be damned, is a great design for dead nuts grinding. Belts really let the thing purr. Compared to modern machines, it's gonna suck big time. Infinitely so in the jobshop and production side of machining. For toolrooms? They are pretty handy. It's came in handy for us in the past when we've had to make custom cores that needed to be dead nuts or when we have core/pins that are to long to OD with a spin fixture attached to a tool pate on our surface grinder.

As far as its duty, it's all relative. Our specialty is plastic injection molds that can fit between 14 inch tie-bars and under 500lbs fully assembled. Most of the delicate parts are under 20lbs. It's pretty loving built for what we do.



1" standard for scale

rump buttman
Feb 14, 2018

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frodnonnag posted:

Let me know what scales and readout the kit has, i can probably weigh in on the quality.

out of curiosity, what is the sweet spot for a DRO kit for Bridgeport style mill?

rump buttman
Feb 14, 2018

I just wish I had time for one more bowl of chili



Anyone have an HARDINGE HLV-H maintenance manual I can bum?

rump buttman
Feb 14, 2018

I just wish I had time for one more bowl of chili




Yep, that's the one. I was having trouble googling it for whatever reason, posted here and then realized I should have emailed Hardinge.

Thanks! My headstock has been making a little more noise then it use to and I'm trying to figure out if it's a figment of my imagination or some maintenance due.

rump buttman
Feb 14, 2018

I just wish I had time for one more bowl of chili



Old machines are much prettier than new boxes and that Decked is art. Those old castings are great, and that paint is really showing off the curves. The Deckel is looking great! Keep up the good work Shadow, you're killing it!

rump buttman
Feb 14, 2018

I just wish I had time for one more bowl of chili



Rapulum_Dei posted:

Huh. 240v 3 phase. Didn’t realise that was a thing.

yeah, my shop has this. For most old machines(bridgeports, lathes, jig bore, surface grinders) it doesn't matter, but newer machines (EDM, CNC) need transformers

rump buttman
Feb 14, 2018

I just wish I had time for one more bowl of chili



mekilljoydammit posted:

Long shot here - anyone have any good guide to sand casting pattern making? I have non-traditional stuff at my disposal (scale 3d model to account for shrinkage, 3d print pattern) but I'm looking for more how to reproduce a part at 1:1 scale. Put another way, I'm prototyping a part by cutting together two castings and welding them together - I'd like to make aluminum castings from it that are the same size but I know if I just use it as a pattern the castings will shrink, is there a trick to this other than "reverse engineer entirely new pattern"?

There are tables for shrink.

I mean for me, if I know ABS shrinks ~ .005" per inch. So if I want the end part dimension to be 1", the cavity would be cut to ~1.005". You cut to where the number say while being metal safe and when the mold is done, you take test shots, inspect the part that comes out. Sometimes, you need to go back and adjust the cavity to make the end part dead nuts. There can be a bit of an art to it after you hit your numbers. All I can say is it's not straight formula.

As far as reverse engineer it, would you just have to adjust the numbers it's printed to to form the oversized cavity? Just bump your model by estimated shrink, print new, cast and inspect? keep refining until you are making good parts.

rump buttman
Feb 14, 2018

I just wish I had time for one more bowl of chili



M_Gargantua posted:

Depending on your tolerance you can do a sand casting of the physical thing you glued together.

that's the smart play

rump buttman
Feb 14, 2018

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depending on the dip/paint, you could sand it if you need non uniform thickness for different dimensional shrinks

rump buttman
Feb 14, 2018

I just wish I had time for one more bowl of chili



Jaded Burnout posted:

There's going to be no one size fits all answer to this, but if you were to estimate, when buying a machining tool for the first time, like a hobbyist lathe or mill, what additional percentage of the unit price do you usually need to spend to actually get up to speed with decent gear? Another 50%? 100%?

Like if you bought a $1k mill would you wind up spending another $500 on fixes, tools, indicators, plates, blocks, parallels, etc?

for a knee mill like a bridgeport,

If you are a thrifty and paitient shopper, you could beat these prices for precision quality stuff

Bare minimum

decent indicator $100
quill indicator holder $20
used kurt 6" vice (or similar) $2-400
clamping kit $50
collet set $50
1-2-3/ parrelles, $50
micrometer $100
calipers $50
dead blow hammer $20

HSS endmills and drill bits, $1-25 each for normal sizes, with things like 1/4" double ended end mill being less than $10


real nice
fly cutter $30-$50 depending on beef
c clamps $20 each need depend on work holing
angle plate $2-600 for a real square one.
drill chuck $100 or so
bore head $100 ?

make almost anything/life easier
5" sine plate $200
gauge blocks $100
trokey rotary table/ cross slide few hundred, lots of good ones used
DRO $1000
horizontal band saw a few hundred
bench grinder $100

I'm sure im missing stuff, but that's how i would think about it.

rump buttman fucked around with this message at 17:14 on Jan 28, 2020

rump buttman
Feb 14, 2018

I just wish I had time for one more bowl of chili



His Divine Shadow posted:

Good HSS seems to be drying up as it's falling out of favor.

I don't know if this is of any help, but HSS end mill I have from poland and israel cut really nice. We got a bunch ~2010.

In the last year I bought some inexpensive HSS reamers from travelers(?) that were south korean and cut very nice.

I'd bet on your assessment as a general trend though

CarForumPoster posted:

If we're doing machining tools to get for a mill, I got one that I dont find get mentioned a lot but drat I love this tool: Coaxial Indicator


I forever find that I have a piece or a fixture that I need to make perpendicular to the spindle than pick up a hole on as a zero. This makes doing that lightning fast.


How much time do you save vs just using an indicator, center x, center y (for getting work concentric, or center of a circle), set dials to zero.

rump buttman fucked around with this message at 00:54 on Jan 29, 2020

rump buttman
Feb 14, 2018

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shame on an IGA posted:

Thinking back on my apprenticeship, I feel 60% of the utility of a DRO could be replicated by a simple rev counter on the handwheel

I agree. I learned without DRO, have made a bunch of poo poo without DRO. Having to double check your count sucks, but you honestly get pretty good at knowing what .200 looks like.

I learned on this bridgeport and an XLO without DRO, but the bridgeport did have rev counter/more scales

https://imgur.com/a/XBxBTee

rump buttman
Feb 14, 2018

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XLOs own bones

rump buttman
Feb 14, 2018

I just wish I had time for one more bowl of chili



how hard is it to TIG?

I have access to one, and no one to teach me. Is it something that is learnable through video, or do you really want to find someone to teach you?

I'm mostly interested in learning how to just do build ups when I gently caress up. Ask me why I want to learn lol

rump buttman
Feb 14, 2018

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Thanks for the info. I dropped an aluminum block I have hours into and hosed up two corners. It's going to cost me a half day to drop it off at the welders. Stuff like this comes up a few times a year. There's a miller syncrowave at the shop collecting dust I'm thinking about learning. I'm trying to figure if I have the bandwidth to dedicate into getting good enough for simple stuff like fixing small dings in aluminum (6061, 7075) and steel (s7, p20, 4140, h13).

I'm leaning towards, I probably don't

rump buttman
Feb 14, 2018

I just wish I had time for one more bowl of chili



gently caress yeah get a surface grinder! I run a harig 618, and grinders open up so much precision. I don’t use coolant and have a dust collecto set up on it. With a grinder added to your shop you could make you own tools including angle/radial dressing tools. If you are going to spend money, I like Herman Schmidt style dressers best. Grind-All’s are also dope as gently caress and highly recommended tooling for surface grinders. poo poo, next find an Eltee Pulsitron and have your own tool and die shop.

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rump buttman
Feb 14, 2018

I just wish I had time for one more bowl of chili



shovelbum posted:

We were discussing small finished barstock pins in the 3D printing thread, what's the like "canon" setup for holding cutting to length say 2-5mm diameter round bar with minimal hassle?

Grinder with a cutting wheel


Just read the other thread. I’d just make some kind v block and stopper and chop with a dremel cutting wheel. Then figure something cleaver to chamfer. Drill and sanding block?

Or if you’d rather spend money, I would go with standard dowel pins https://www.mcmaster.com/standard-dowel-pins

rump buttman fucked around with this message at 05:58 on May 10, 2020

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