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I think it's pretty obvious how Ippo is going to win this. I've had the feeling for a few chapters but this one made it even more obvious. Woli can't take punches for poo poo. You don't make a character without weaknesses. Especially in a manga like Ippo, a character who is just god mode-ing every aspect and has no weaknesses is straight up poo poo. So if you look at Woli, he's got ridiculous speed, godlike reflexes and can make up moves and tactics on a whim. On the other hand he has no physical toughness at all. When Ippo barely scratched his face at the start of the match he was so shocked he fell over. When his coach touched him with the chair it disturbed him a lot. So basically this fucker has dominated for 20 chapters but when Ippo finally manages to land one, single, clean blow, he's going to get knocked out cold in a snap. That's how Ippo is going to win - he just needs to overcome Woli's overwhelming offense and defense to knock his weak face out with one hit.
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Geop posted:Some manga like One Piece and Bleach (from what I recall) will occasionally have some centerfold or some crap with characters in "trendy" clothes. I cringe and laugh every single time Speaking of cringeworthy if you check Bleach nowadays maybe you will notice Orihime wearing some loving dress that has like a circle or something around her arse, on black and white manga pages it looks like she is basically running around flashing that rear end.
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Geop posted:Hah. I bailed on Bleach after Soul Society ended - Gol D. Roger was on sky island. - A mysterious ghost repairs the Going Merry one night - There is this awesome part where Enel has the best OH gently caress face ever. People call it 'Enel-face' and it is almost worth watching the entire arc just for this face even if it only lasts for 5 seconds. There, now go skip that poo poo and get on to the good stuff.
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Apr 15, 2010 17:04
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I hear it introduced a ton of worthless characters and there hasn't been much progression.
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Jedah posted:You can call me a sperglord, that's fine, but it doesn't change the fact that the author doesn't give a poo poo. He will do whatever he pleases. He won't read this thread, your post, my follow-up post, and therefore, this discussion (if you can even call it that) is completely pointless. There's something called respect. Respect the man for the 900+ chapters of manga he's made for you so you can read it for free on the internet. You don't have to read it but if you do, you do have to be thankful for his life's work.
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He's going Bleach mode, sucks to read week by week, awesome to read when you have 10 volumes in a row. Yeah, that's what i'll tell myself 
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McNerd posted:How much water can two people possibly sweat in a ten-second exchange?  
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Just realized that we might be building up to a most glorious one-hit K.O. If we are, then all the pacing of this whole 'fight' would make sense as it's just a huge build-up for Ippo's one punch. I bet it would be a lot less horrible to read if you weren't waiting for it each week too. More likely scenario though is that the bell rings when Ippo's fist is 1 inch from colliding with his face 
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Jun 8, 2011 03:49
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This chapter was exactly what I was hoping it would be, a one hit KO. Anything else would have been atrocious and it was fairly satisfying as well. I don't see why you guys hate this chapter so much?
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Jun 11, 2011 07:54
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Wonder how many chapters they can SHIFT GEARS and WHIFF PUNCHES
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Nov 28, 2011 02:11
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Oh come on, noone translated 1003 yet?  I don't really want to read the raw's because imho the text is really important in this series, without it it's just two guys staring a lot and throwing punches sometimes.
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Wow, this entire fight was great, tense as hell. Usually it's painfully obvious who will come out winning but this time I really didn't believe Volg had a chance until the very end. Well played, and finally it's someone who actually deserves to win.
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Apr 2, 2013 11:31
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The motherfucker finally made a move after 1011 chapters! Too bad it didn't pan out but, at least PROGRESS
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Jun 1, 2013 16:37
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Beautiful  That came out of left field.. and was absolutely glorious. Never thought it'd be so satisfying to see that smug face shut down.Man I think this must have been planned for a long time, which makes it pretty impressive. Back after the Saeki fight everyone in here was commenting about how much they hated Itagaki. That match basically made him into the villain. What a humiliating way to go out. Trapped in a corner and KO'ed in a second because you were smug enough not to take the fight seriously and let the opponent rush in on you. He doesn't even realise the mistake until it's too late - "i'm already focused", yeah, except 3 seconds too late because you were too busy thinking about how cool you are. MadRhetoric posted:Losing by dint of not fighting like/being the protagonist is pretty funny though.
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Dexo posted:Eh Itagaki is fine. Even when Imai rushed him down and cornered him, even when he got hit on the shoulder and got his back to the corner, he didn't take anything seriously at until the moment he got fist in his liver. But at that point the match was already over. But in the end the lesson from this fight is not that "i need to be even faster", it's that as Imai said, if he gets nailed once, if he gets held or outsmarted or out-lucked, so that he can't use his speed to run circles around the opponent, then he's got nothing. His punches are weak and he just can't take a hit at all. If it had been Ippo taking that body blow it would have been a pained grin at most and then right back to defending. If it had been Ippo (or Imai, or well anyone else really) in the corner, he would likely have managed to defend himself or get out somehow. Basically Itagaki needs to be more than just a one-gimmick fighter or he's going to have more crushing defeats like this the moment his one gimmick doesn't work anymore. In a way this is a hard lesson for the World Stage, and Itagaki just learned it the hard way (so Ippo doesn't have to (Ippo doesn't have the one-gimmick problem though (except 'being a punching bag') but I bet it will come back to him somehow)). Bisse fucked around with this message at 14:38 on Sep 13, 2013 |
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Dexo posted:Eh? He didn't absorb cheers besides when he first got in the Ring before Imai was introduced. As soon as they touched gloves he went back to his corner and got his mouthpiece. Imai rushed him immediately and trapped him in a corner. Itagaki was confident he could get out as he has never had a problem escaping being cornered before. Imai just had him scouted to know how he gets out of those situations, and was able to come up with a counter to it. And the point isn't if Imai was prepared or not, because anyone going up in a title match is going to prepare and study his opponent. The point is that Itagaki really has nothing else to bring to the ring than his speed, and if he can't use it, or if it doesn't work, then he's got nothing. It is very bad for Itagaki because now that he's facing opponents that can handle it, he just needs to make one mistake and the match is over. It's a wake-up call to develop your other aspects, and also to start taking your opponents seriously. Really, the match could also have went on for 5 rounds before Imai landed that hit, but this way it makes for a much better read and a much harder lesson for Itagaki.
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Dude are you serious? http://readms.com/r/hajime_no_ippo/1023/2020/4 Listening to the crowd with a smile and then showing off. http://readms.com/r/hajime_no_ippo/1023/2020/13 Waving to the crowd. http://readms.com/r/hajime_no_ippo/1023/2020/15 http://readms.com/r/hajime_no_ippo/1023/2020/16 Imai puts his mouthpiece in and gets ready for the bell. Itagaki... punches the corner bag, and thinks about how hard he's going to win, with his back towards his opponent. http://readms.com/r/hajime_no_ippo/1024/2022/9 http://readms.com/r/hajime_no_ippo/1024/2022/10 The coach reacting to the opponent approaching before the boxer does. And he doesn't even realize his mistake! Instead of at least thinking "whoops" or "oh, I need to handle this situation" his thoughts are going like "Got it! I am totally focused, i'm in the loving zone, you're so slow look how slow you are." He doesn't even realize what is going on! And finally look at the way he goes down in the end - after having taken more than a dozen close-range bodyblows, he still thinks he's the king, he has absolutely no idea about his own limitations, he thinks he can do whatever he wants, and because of that he makes a stupid decision and goes out in the worst way possible. The simple facts are: He lost the game the moment he got the first punch to the gut. He got punched in the gut because he wasn't ready in the first seconds when the match started, and then he didn't take his opponent seriously. He lost because he was too smug and overconfident. Just the way we all wanted it to happen.
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Simoom posted:He did the creepy face to Ippo like, one or two times, when the manga was at its absolute worst. Like if that's the worst thing you can remember inbetween Ippo getting smacked around by a man's unlaced boxing glove for ten chapters and Japanese Champion Ippo Makunouchi being elated at being able to have landed a punch on the rookie who spent 6 rounds beating him into the ground, you're a stronger, more patient person than me. I strongly prefer Itagaki's annoying carefree attitude and stupid puns to Ippo's two modes of frowny self-doubt / intense I-MUST-WIN-PRAISE-FROM-KAMOGAWA stand there and get hit routine. These chapters feel good not only because his smug face got what's coming but also because finally someone has a way to counter his stupid bonkers SpeedOfSound "fighting style" which was getting dreadful to watch and were the exact opposite to what I like in this manga. Finally we get to see the weaknesses and drawbacks of focusing only on speed and focus. I'm happy not only because he kind of got what's coming but also because this is basically confirmation that intelligent, well-rounded, experienced fighters are in the end going to come out on top of stupid gimmick poo poo like this so we can have more fights like Mike vs Volg instead of dumb poo poo like Woli vs Ippo and Itagaki vs Anyone.
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Simoom posted:Yeah I get where you're coming from for sure. The Saeki fight was the worst fight in recent memory. Aside from maybe when Ippo fought that guy and they stared at each other for the first four chapters or so. I just don't have the same faith as you I guess, cuz I think of a smart, well-rounded, experienced fighter, and all I can picture is Ippo or Takamura punching him in the face after being dominated for ten rounds.
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Chaos341 posted:Jesus guys chill out with your rabid hate of a fake person.
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McNerd posted:I'm fairly sure we're supposed to find Itagaki endearing.
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Ok so this was actually pretty rad. Finally he has grown past "getting punched in the face until opponent fist breaks" levels of tactic.
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To be honest the events themselves were not dumb.. Training your opponent to react the way you want him to. Saving your best punch until you're sure it will hit. Taking a punch with the forehead rather than your face when you have no time to escape. It's just the way morikawa's trying to paint it as a surprise that's off the charts. His right is strongest.... he's only been using his left.... he's hiding something.... what could it be... oh no... no! Ippo! It's... our calculations... they're all wrong! ITS HIS OTHER HAND! THERE WILL BE A PUNCH FROM HIS OTHER PUNCHING HAND!!! IT'S WHAT HE'S BEEN- I... i never painted you as a master tactician ippo... but maybe you do have what it takes to be the best. To miscalculate your opponents number of hands, and to take the opponents strongest punch with your face, that is the spirit of the kamogawa gym! If the whole thing was painted as "I know his right is coming but not when, i'll just have to try to evade it when it comes" and the exact same events unfolded, it would have been all fine.
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I don't know, i'm really excited by the way this is playing out. Its a pretty interesting dilemma, such a basic style but with his durability and willingness to take hits to get in, it feels like there is really not point in the ring where you are at an advantage. It's all a mental trick though, if Gonzy can just keep at a distance and keep banging Ippo's head in without worrying about his fist, he would win. Ippo is just a raging bull - he uses his persistance and insane durability to pressure you into making mistakes. And all he really needs is one mistake. Although i'm wondering who would be able to beat Ippo. I think the only ways to beat him are to out-muscle him, which noone at his weight class will ever do, or to basically do what Gonzales is doing but without making any mistakes.
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Yes! His weakness! A punch in the face! How did this happen I like that he has been constantly punched in the face the whole match, but this. This punch. It was different. It had machisimo behind it.
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Or this is going to end like Million Dollar Baby. Kamugawa crying as he pulls Ippo's life support, then drinks his sorrows away in faraway bars forever.
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Flesnolk posted:Which chapters should I skip if I want to pass over the Woli fight without missing anything Honestly. Dont skip it. That fight is an experience, the same way watching Cosmo Kramer scream "hes a friend of the family" was an unforgettable experience. It really is so bad its worth reading.
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Raws for 1053 are out and uh This whole match is kind of paralleling Volg vs Mike where Mike got knocked out clean cold by an unexpected hit and never really came back from it. But this time it isn't a on-his-last-breath Volg on the other end. If there is any fight in this series that Ippo might lose, it's this one. He's getting wrecked, bleeding from the whole face and his eye is swollen up. The knockdown got him bad, his legs are pretty much gone and Gonzy is smacking his face in repeatedly without breaking a sweat. But the thing is, we've seen all that before. But, it's not only that. He hasn't landed anything, not even a blocked punch since round 4 started, and he's just showing no signs of progress at all. I can't understand the texts but there's flashes of previous opponents e.g. Woli and it seems unlike previous times where he was remembering things he learned from them, this time it seems more like he's looking back at what he knows and not finding anything that can help him. He's out of tactics, he keeps dashing in and it's not even close to working. At the end of 1053 he kind of loses his balance for a moment because his legs are giving up, and he's looking extremely sad and downbeat. I can't read the text ofc but, I can't recall seeing that face on Ippo before, he's got the face of someone who's realized he's lost. It looks like he's given up, kind of gives this weak little grin, goes and dashes in to go out punching at least. Bisse fucked around with this message at 00:57 on Apr 8, 2014 |
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tbp posted:If he loving loses this fight this manga will end up being like 4500 chapters long I dont know I feel like having Ippo lose a fight and be forced to develop would not be a bad move on one end but on the other end it's waaay too late in the manga to do that at this point. I dont know what would be worse, having Ippo win or having Ippo lose. Morikawa's basically forced himself into a corner here. drat it, couldn't he have skipped all the drat fights from Woli and onwards until Volg vs Mike? EDIT: I can accept Ippo losing if his next match is with another high-up world ranker where Ippo shows off a new set of tactics that lets him win impressively enough to get a match with #1 right after. It's not too unrealistic and it could be a fairly quick progression. Bisse fucked around with this message at 17:10 on Apr 8, 2014 |
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Flesnolk posted:That's why Nekota was doing so well while Kamogawa got the poo poo kicked out of him until he landed a couple lucky punches.
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Re: Morikawa runs a boxing gym:quote:Morikawa-sensei is a part time corner man for pro boxers So yeah  that second quote explains the Woli (who was from the Philippines IIRC) travesty too. Mori was cornerman for someone who ended up fighting a Filipino and it must have been a crazy match because then he went and did the same matchup in HNI. I guess it's harder to notice that the fight sucks for Mori if he was trying to recreate something he experienced IRL?And I guess that could be a reasonable explanation for some horrendous matches as well? Perhaps Mori had recently seen a match that was started out as a starefest and then closed in one punch when he wrote *that* fight? Bisse fucked around with this message at 13:33 on Apr 29, 2014 |
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WhiffleballDude posted:So yeah. I really like Hajime no Ippo. It's totally a potato chip series, where I can just keep going and going and going, which I don't normally do with most manga or anime. And the stare-fest fight.
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WhiffleballDude posted:Finished the Woli fight. Gonna be honest, not sure what the big issue is. It's not great or anything, it has the same problems as the Gedo fight with a large chunk of it basically having nothing happen while Ippo gets his rear end kicked, and the way Woli loses his advantage is loving stupid, but it wasn't all that terrible. Probably unbearable to read when it's not all out there already but it seems like that's been the case for like 10 years with this series so w/e. - Racist stereotype monkey man - ...jumping around on the ropes and doing pretty much impossible punches because vat a genius - ...for 25 chapters - ...while never getting hit, as if reactions, positioning, momentum, and physically intersecting the travel path of the opponents fists, do not matter. - Light taps that leave a fist mark - ...the ONE INCH PUNCH! (Which will never be used ever again) - Ippo "The Punching Bag" Makunochi with his unique "Block the opponents fist with my face" fighting style - ...and taking no lasting damage whatsoever and regenerating it all between each round. - Coach's amazing coaching. 'Your strategy of "charging in like a dumbfuck and getting punched" isn't working! My advice is... keep doing it! Eventually it HAS to work' There is a reason (or well, lots of them) it's panned as the worst fight in the series.
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To be fair, some of these things are present in all the fights. It's just that this fight had all of them, at the same time, and so much more, and pushed them all to the max. This fight is, for example, by far the worst case of Ippo "Fist Magnet" "King of Dodg-oh wait" "Faceful-o-fists" "Unique fighting style" Makunouchi. In literally no other fight does he take so many blows directly to the head for so long. And the of course no lasting damage from them at all. I mean usually I can tolerate it and relate it to real boxers even but this was just too much, beyond the realms of plausibility. I don't think he blocked a single punch ever throughout the entire fight. (Except for with his face) Not saying you have to hate, just saying why i Do hate it. Bisse fucked around with this message at 11:51 on May 9, 2014 |
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trucutru posted:To me the main problem with that shitastic fight is that Ippo was so outmatched that his goal was just to tap Woli. And then, somehow, that's all he needed! Because Ippo doesn't even need to hit you hard to destroy your rear end, just the gentle touch of his virginal fists causes all kinds of internal damage.
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I'm angry. Angry about comics!
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tbp posted:and the coach said Woli would become infinitely better after that match haha Unless it's a mirror of the latest Itagaki fight 
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KidDynamite posted:I've gott to say it's an interesting hole moro dug himself into because Ippo fans were captured but the fact that he's the underdog getting beat but the story should have progressed beyond that after like Sanada. The ebb and flow of fights should have been starting to change to Ippo becoming dominant like Takamura but then that would then the pace would change and the manga would have ended and no more cash for basically making GBS threads out lead up and the same fight over and over again.
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Fabricated posted:So I guess the point of these chapters is that Ippo is a really bad boxer who has only gotten this far in his career by having a cast iron skull and being able to punch so hard that he wins if you just gently caress up enough for him to really hit you good once or twice But where Ippo sucks is he only has one track. Other boxers can do several different tactics even if they mostly focus on one. Mr. Machisimo here can hold his own in a close fight even though he's an outboxer. But Ippo is lazer focusing on one thing, and while he does it really really well, if you can find a way around it he's got no answer. In my mind there's only two possible outcomes for this match: - Ippo comes up with a new tactic other than rushing in (probably some sort of dodging skill) to stop applying face to fist. - Ippo loses.
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trucutru posted:-Ippo trusts himself and the coach, regains confidence in his boxing, and wins.
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