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socialsecurity
Aug 30, 2003

muscles like this? posted:

Lets just ignore that you could probably find stuff just as bad by looking through stuff Christian preachers have said.

"Look at the crazy anti-science things these religous people have said" is possibly the worst vector of attack the right could ever attempt.

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socialsecurity
Aug 30, 2003

Poizen Jam posted:

Well, you're talking about the types of people who will claim people in the Middle East and Muslims in general have never invented anything of note.
I suppose contemporary number systems, advancement of medicine and sciences, and value of scholarship is just all a wash. Nope, that's just how the Middle East is, not like the west made it their mission to mess them up multiple times in history.

My favorite part about this line of thinking is that these are the same people that say slavery was soooo long ago and doesn't matter anymore.

socialsecurity
Aug 30, 2003

gradenko_2000 posted:

That's because the Republicans don't really want a better plan: It's just no Obamacare, period. Any healthcare reform, regardless of how Free Market-ish it is, will at its heart mean that a person will have to subsidize someone else not dying of preventable disease, and that's clearly unacceptable. I'm convinced that the only reason that the Heritage Foundation had that plan before was because it was right-er than the idea of universal healthcare, but I don't really think that (contemporary) Republicans themselves would pass it even if they had they chance.

Their brilliant strategy for fixing healthcare is "Tort Reform" which really means take away peoples ability to sue doctors when they gently caress up. Much like "Tax Reform" this is an attempt to further gently caress the poor.

socialsecurity
Aug 30, 2003

Mister Bates posted:

I've actually met a few people like this. There's a friend-of-a-friend I ran into a few months ago who said that he didn't need health insurance because he would just treat all minor injuries himself, and anyone who can't or won't is just 'a pussy'. When I asked him what he would do if he had any kind of illness or severe injury, he just said 'die'. I think at that point, when you have someone saying they hate the idea of Obamacare so much that they would literally rather die than buy health insurance on the exchanges, reason isn't going to get through to them.

I'm not huge on conspiracy theories but it is starting to feel like the gutting of public educations combined with the corporate push for unhealthy food choices for kids is intentionally designed to dumb down and placate the entire country.

socialsecurity
Aug 30, 2003

PUGGERNAUT posted:



I don't wanna watch this video and give them hits but I'm pretty sure it's bullshit

My mother-in-law is a Tea Partier and brings up politics all the time but if anyone corrects her WE'RE being "rude" and "divisive". How do you handle people like this? I don't want to just smile and nod, because I don't want her to think her behavior is acceptable :(

If she thinks you are being rude and divisive might as well go hog wild and be what they already think you are sometimes it is the only language they understand.

socialsecurity
Aug 30, 2003

Emron posted:

Every person that's posted 5+ things on my Facebook about RIP PAUL WALKER is a person who posted a bunch of poo poo about how sad it was that people were upset by Whitney Houston dying but not soldiers. Literally every person. 1:1 correlation. It's loving uncanny.

Call them out on it, dig up their history and post their own comments back at them.

socialsecurity
Aug 30, 2003

People like that don't understand the difference between a person and people. Sure a person can get a better job or work on the side but people cannot as there are not enough "good jobs" for everyone to go out and get one so people will end up stuck and Wal-Mart and McDonalds therefore those people deserve to make a living wage as well.

socialsecurity
Aug 30, 2003

Gygaxian posted:

Question; is there any truth to the claim that NYC mayor-elect Bill de Blasio is creating a gun registry? My right-wing neighbors are claiming that he is, and they're claiming that he's doing it as a prelude to GUN CONFISCATION!!!1!

Now obviously the second part of that claim is dumb, but all I've heard about de Blasio is the pre-kindergarden funding and the ending of stop-and-frisk.

Never believe anything you hear about guns laws from a right-winger, actually just ignore most everything they have to say.

socialsecurity
Aug 30, 2003

RagnarokAngel posted:

Just tell them that A&E decided by virtue of the free market it was best not to keep him around.

That's why I don't get it, they always talk about how the market will regulate itself that is why we don't need the government to step in. Here we have a business that decided that keeping a racist person was not in their best financial interest so they suspended him on their own, the right/libertarians should be overjoyed to have an example of this actually happening.

socialsecurity
Aug 30, 2003

Pope Guilty posted:

It's obvious nonsense. Obama wouldn't sign up for the exchanges since he gets his health coverage from his employer. And he's got a birth certificate, which is proof of citizenship. It's just something conservatives made up to make themselves feel good.

Even if the insane story were somehow true how would anyone know would Obama be stupid enough to hold a press conference telling everyone he can't prove his citizenship to his website?

socialsecurity
Aug 30, 2003

I just don't understand why anyone cares enough to have an opinion if some person takes pictures of themselves or not it seems like the most petty poo poo imaginable.

socialsecurity
Aug 30, 2003

This is going to be a rough time because the number 1 misunderstanding on the right is the difference between people and a person. A person can get a better job so minimum wage doesn't affect them, however people cannot because there aren't enough better jobs for every person someone has to work at Wal-Mart/McDonalds etc and those people deserve a living wage.

socialsecurity
Aug 30, 2003

Deltasquid posted:

Jesus, I knew American education was costly but how the hell do you pay all of that? Is it even physically possible to pay that much money back in your life? Here in Belgium, I have to pay a bit more than 600 euros per year for my law education.

Many people's student loan repayments are about as much as their rent.

socialsecurity
Aug 30, 2003

Not that registered anything means something as they ask you when you are like a teenager at the DMV and most people just give something random because they don't know.

socialsecurity
Aug 30, 2003

namesake posted:

Gosh I really pity those billionaires, somehow working literally hundreds of thousands of times more than single parents with 3 minimum wage jobs.

You don't understand they have a lot of responsibility and if they fail at that they only get a severance package equal to more then most people will make in their entire life that the company raided the pensions to pay for.

socialsecurity
Aug 30, 2003

Exactly trying to frame it at people making EXACTLY minimum wage cutting off people who make a nickel more is just an attempt to push the issue away as irrelevant.

socialsecurity
Aug 30, 2003

gradenko_2000 posted:

Is there any chance, any chance at all that this could be a thing again?

We could get TFR to form the "Socialist Communist Associatiation for Rebellious Youthes" and pose for pictures with all their guns but with a hammer and sickle instead of a confederate flag. That should scare someones grandma.

socialsecurity
Aug 30, 2003

OAquinas posted:

That's actually going to be an interesting thing to watch: in the states that have decriminalized pot, will drug testing for it still disqualify you for jobs? (spoiler: yes)

This honestly boils down to liability and insurance even a wal-mart shelf stocker like mentioned earlier has to operate a machine to bale together the loose cardboard. If someone is high or whatever and gets themselves hurt using it that gives Wal-Mart an out on any liability, until that changes drug tests are a way of life.

socialsecurity
Aug 30, 2003

What would Americans do if the Chinese came in and gave New York to the Native Americans then shoved the Americans into Jersey and slowly starting making Jersey even more ghetto bulldozing peoples homes.

socialsecurity
Aug 30, 2003

Interlude posted:

Did anyone ever take that vaccine effort post from awhile back and host it? I need to smack down some internet doctor moms.

Look they are moms ok, nothing instills you with more instant knowledge about the entire world then spawning offspring. I had someone tell me that the Zimmerman jury knew what they were doing because they were moms.

socialsecurity
Aug 30, 2003

Interlude posted:

Guns are a loving culture war issue for the left, and a losing one at that. I know it's fun as poo poo to punish right wingers and everything they like, but this particular issue irks the hell out of me because it's a god damned distraction. This country is so irreparably hosed on innumerable social and economic levels; the idea that what's supposed to be our greater minds are wasting time on low-value issues like gun control instead of pushing for equality means, to me, that it's just a matter of spite.

poo poo, imagine if Dianne Feinstein spent her 'OMG assault weapons' time and cred on advancing gay or disabled rights?

And don't loving bore me with "WE CAN DO BOTH". No, you can't. In the comfort of internet forums, perhaps, but in not in reality. We can't, as a country, even confirm a loving presidential appointee.

Maybe people push gun control because it is incredibly easy for the mentally ill to get weapons and kill people, guns increase violence period, you can make the argument that peoples rights outweigh safety but don't pretend that anti-gun people are some sort of bullys. Polls show most people would be happy with background checks alone but we can't even get that passed that should show you how in danger you are of getting your precious guns taken.

socialsecurity
Aug 30, 2003

So wait is the constitutional lawyer who smoked some pot and went to college supposed to be a worse leader then the military guys? Maybe the vice president should be in charge of the military so he can be the military guy to draw votes and then people will be ok with the president focusing on way more important domestic issues.

socialsecurity
Aug 30, 2003

winterwerefox posted:

Does your dad know my mom? The worst thing for me that the [H]istory channel has done is validate my mothers beliefs that characters from mythology and the Bible were alien/human hybrids, Angels are aliens in their spaceships, God is an alien and works of ancient man are signs that aliens are real. Ancient Aliens didnt put those ideas in her head, she had them for years, but it sure as hell didnt help.

At least seems more fun then the typical fundy parent.

socialsecurity
Aug 30, 2003

BatteredFeltFedora posted:

Last page but everybody keeps forgetting that it's not just people who currently make minimum wage who will directly benefit from raising it, but everyone who makes less than the new minimum wage. And that's a lot more than 5%, it's closer to 1 in 4: http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2012/07/24/573671/one-in-four-private-sector-workers-earn-less-than-10-an-hour/

Link to the study: http://nelp.3cdn.net/24befb45b36b626a7a_v2m6iirxb.pdf

They aren't forgetting, they are intentionally ignoring it to make their case look bigger in order to save large corporations money, we had several people do this in the minimum wage thread ignoring the evidence each time. It is depressing that our culture has gotten to the point where people actively defend a companies right to make billions more profits on the backs of the starving poor that only survive based on welfare/benefits paid by tax dollars that most corporations do everything in their power not to pay, I understand why the rich would support this but the fact that way too many poor/middle class people support it as well is sickening.

socialsecurity
Aug 30, 2003

LeJackal posted:

Guess what - they are as if not more restricted! You should probably educate yourself, here is a nice reference guide from the ATF that should help you get on track to becoming better informed.

How much of this applies to the average person? How often do you have to go get your gun proficiency license renewed or registered with the state or brought in for inspection because those were the type comparisons he was making.

socialsecurity
Aug 30, 2003

Life's not fair some people just get to suffer and starve, as long as that person is not me or people I care about I will impose this on everyone around me.

socialsecurity
Aug 30, 2003

Aeka 2.0 posted:

I'm seeing calls for bringing back public hangings and stake burning from the botched lethal injection. People are loving nuts.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocKFSLsZnUo

These people are sick never forget.

socialsecurity
Aug 30, 2003

Elliotw2 posted:

The biggest issue with them is now they have to hire someone to watch it all day and not do anything else to reduce theft and attempt to fix the drat thing when it breaks for the 16th time the day.

This is actually my job I am the dude who fixes the self-checkouts and regular lanes, I 100% believe these things are designed to breaks, there are very common breakpoints made out of cheap pieces of plastic that you can only source from the vendor who designed the self checkout for hundreds of dollars it really is insane. As such I will tell you that old people HATE self-checkouts they can't even take checks so as long as theres old people who hate technology most places won't go full-auto. Also they get robbed all the time not just by people walking out with stuff but people prying them open for the large amounts of money outside.

socialsecurity
Aug 30, 2003

Ghost of Reagan Past posted:

If more people use the automated checkout lines the grocery store has an incentive to reduce the number of cashiers they employ and the hours they work.

I calculated this out once, the amount of jobs generated by the designing/building/selling/constant repairs needed for these units is pretty close to the number of cashiering jobs lost and many of them pay better. Honestly it is less about saving money on paying 3 cashiers then it is having 3 less people to worry about scheduling/training/insuring.

socialsecurity
Aug 30, 2003

Strudel Man posted:

I'm very skeptical of that result. You don't happen to have your calculations around, do you?

I can't give out too much specific company information, but we cover about 210 stores with self checkouts each assuming each set of 4 self checkouts eliminates 3 jobs (they still have 1 guy to run it and really they still run several regular lanes even if they had no self checkouts they wouldn't have 4 cashiers to replace them) that boils down to about 630 jobs, our company that repairs them employees about 250ish over inventory/management/field techs with the average pay being about 40k. That's half the lost jobs right there, there are about 40ish that support them on the retailer side working on their software, the company who makes/sells them has several thousand employees but sells them nationwide so that numbers way harder to figure out. It probably isn't perfect but it's not like the jobs just disappear into the air when automation is put in, it just shifts from numerous low paying jobs to less higher paying jobs.

socialsecurity
Aug 30, 2003

Swan Oat posted:

Does Walmart even have store greeters anymore? I used to work near one and I never noticed any greeters when I went in.

Also that store was so minimally staffed, it was horrible. Long lines because only a few checks were open, employees were really hard to find, and they all seemed really stressed and miserable. Probably because they had too many areas to cover. That place was really depressing; none of those people were working charity jobs.

Most stores are phasing them out, employees are stressed and miserable though they are stretched way too thin and are put to extreme demands. People think because a job pays little or is "low-skill" that it is somehow easy but the hardest job I have ever had was unloading the trucks in the back of a supercenter, unloading over 4000 boxes by hand and sorting them out for each part of the store for 7.25 a hour, they would even pull us off the truck to go push carts for a hour refuse us the water bottles the cart pushes get then tell us we need to double time to finish the truck.

socialsecurity
Aug 30, 2003

70k should be enough to live off decently even with 2 kids unless they are horrible at money. If she thinks that's not enough how are the Walmart people supposed to live at all?

socialsecurity
Aug 30, 2003

Dystram posted:

It really sucks that almost no one knows how progressive/graduated income tax works.

My girlfriend is taking a HR course at the local community college. Her teacher told her to avoid giving people raises that pushes them into the next tax bracket so they don't lose money from the raise, this is an accredited school.

socialsecurity
Aug 30, 2003

ToxicSlurpee posted:

People care about their own little circle of humans but would take a cheaper sandwich even if it meant somebody they didn't know got stabbed every time. People continue eating massive amounts of cheap chocolate even though the chocolate industry largely runs on literal slavery.

I tried explaining this to someone they told me "The revolutionary war got rid of slavery you can't believe everything you read on the internet"

socialsecurity
Aug 30, 2003

Pong Daddy posted:

It's apparently completely unheard of for people to pay a little extra for nice service, that's why we no longer have restaurants and all Americans subsist on microwave dinners.

No see higher taxes or higher minimum wage will destroy our way of life, it is places like Europe and Australia don't have fast food or grocery stores.

socialsecurity
Aug 30, 2003

All robbers/muggers announce their presence from 30 feet in an empty alleyway giving you time to draw your weapon and get a solid aim before they attempt to take your wallet.

socialsecurity
Aug 30, 2003

TapTheForwardAssist posted:

At least one of the comments claims Obama did the "land grab" so he can sell off the land (presumably to the Chinese or whatnot). Which is exactly the opposite of what declaring land a "monument" is, but whatever.

During the whole Bundy standoff thing, did anyone ever try using the argument "he's a con-artist ripping off the taxpayer by making a profit off of parkland belonging to you and your fellow Americans."

I love crazy ideas like this. If China wanted to buy land here they could there is a SHITTON of it for sale, if he wanted to secretly supply his Chinese masters with land why would he announce it publicly? Hell he could just buy them a secret government overthrow staging ground with his own personal millions of dollars.

socialsecurity
Aug 30, 2003

Save that graphic as the right has been pushing Tort Reform(stop suing my doctor friends QQ)

socialsecurity
Aug 30, 2003

gatesealer posted:

The thing I always want these people to answer is, "Why are they trying to kill off 80-90% of the population? What do they get out of it? What is the end game? No one commits mass genocide for the hell of it, so tell me why they would do that."

There is a British TV show Utopia where this is the villains plans because our current population levels are unsustainable.

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socialsecurity
Aug 30, 2003

If the Redskins changed their logo/mascot to a potato I would accept that as a hilarious compromise.

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