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I'm heading to SE Asia with my girlfriend for a couple of weeks in November this year. So far we've sketched out a good two week itinerary going west from Saigon across Cambodia to Ankor Wat and then on to Bangkok. After this leg we want to head for southern Thailand and relax on the beaches for a few days before heading home, does anyone have any recommendations for where we might head? We're pretty keen on avoiding heavily touristed areas as much as possible (I realise this is an improbable dream in Thailand), we just want somewhere quiet with good beaches and not a lot of nightlife. We don't have a tiny backpacker budget though we aren't 5-star travellers either. e; I should mention as well that we're Australians and reasonably well-seasoned travellers. webmeister fucked around with this message at 06:08 on Aug 8, 2011 |
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Isn't it just a Crocs thing in general? I'm sure I've read before about Crocs being notoriously easy to catch in escalator teeth because of the soft rubber or (something like that).
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FaceEater posted:Reindeer and Tytan both warned me about the shack that used to serve as Air Asia's hub terminal at Kuala Lumpur airport, known as the LCCT or Low Cost Carrier Terminal. I will have you know that it's been replaced by klia2, which topside is world class if you're into shopping and lounges and such. But at the wing for international departures, lol. They have 3 internal security checkpoints followed by a wing of 20 something gates in a hallway where if I stick out both my arms I can just about touch the walls on either side, and the luxurious Gloria Jean's Coffee or a place called "Puffy Buffy" which I heard a teenager describe as smelling like dry dog or cat food. But hey, free wifi and a few outlets next to the chairs. And one water fountain in the whole wing! Sucks. Yeah seriously, gently caress klia2. It's great that it's not the shack terminal anymore but every time I've been through klia2 I've had to walk for at least 30 minutes to get anywhere (and I usually walk at a pretty good clip). And yeah it's loving bullshit that there's one water fountain in the whole place and it's right at the start. Hope you filled up your bottle before starting your trek, otherwise it's a 10-minute roundtrip back from your gate! Question time: My wife and I are in the process of selling our house so that we can travel the world on an essentially permanent basis. We're intending to travel with basically no plans, going wherever we want or find interesting, and our first port of call is going to be SE Asia. So, are there any amazing off-the-beaten-track places or hidden gems that you guys would recommend? We've already seen a bunch of stuff in SEA, like Angkor Wat and Phnom Penh, Singapore, parts of Malaysia (KL/Penang/Langkawi), HCMC (my wife has done most of Vietnam but I've only seen HCMC), plus Phuket and Bali like most Australians. Our rough plan at this stage is to start in Bali (see the parts of it that aren't Kuta/Seminyak/Ubud), Lombok and Gili, head over to Yogyakarta to check out Borobudur and the volcanoes over there. After that it's a bit less defined, but we're planning on doing (in no particular order): Sabah, Kinabalu, Brunei, Laos, mainland Thailand and some of the east coast islands (Koh Samui etc). We'll probably do coastal/northern Vietnam, the Philippines and Myanmar as well before heading back to Australia at Christmas and then heading to a different continent. We're intending to save China/India/Japan for later in our travels. So yeah, would love to hear some ideas/tips etc from you guys. Places to go, places to avoid, times to avoid certain areas, whatever. As I mentioned we'll be selling the house, so we won't need to backpack or travel ultra-cheap, but won't be luxing it up either. In terms of style, we're interested in most things - local culture & food, museums, lying on the beach, snorkelling, hiking (but not adventure stuff particularly). Neither of us are big drinkers so party towns aren't really our bag.
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Thanks for the tips and for the thoughts as well Pilsner! I hear what you're saying (and part of me agrees), but I'm fairly confident on the budget front. Overall our budget is probably going to be in the range of $20-$25k AUD each per year (roughly around USD $100/day between us). Should be more than enough to travel comfortably across Asia, obviously in Western countries it won't go too far. If we invest the money from our house sale properly and get decent returns, that will cover most of those costs. I know a couple of people who've done a similar thing (eg this guy is a good friend of mine) so I definitely know it's possible. And my wife's a travel blogger, so she has loads of contacts and stuff that should make things easier (and hopefully save a few dollars here and there). And yeah I imagine at times it will suck not having a Home, certainly in the short term. We love our house and will be super sad to leave it, I'm giving up a great well-paid job, and I can't imagine how hard it'll be to leave our little dog (he's having an extended stay at my in-laws). But life's about making changes - we both love travelling, exploring and having new experiences. Might as well give it a shot now while we have the money, the health and the experience to do it.
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kenner116 posted:Sumatra was surprisingly nice and definitely more interesting than Java overall. Lake Toba, Lake Maninjau, and Berastagi are all worthy destinations. I just traveled the part between Medan and Padang overland by bus. I was going to go all the way down the island but the "Trans-Sumatran Highway" is just a narrow mountain road, so I just flew between Padang and Jakarta. Flights are very cheap, I think Medan to Kuala Lumpur was 30 USD. The highlight of my two weeks in Sumatra was definitely motorbiking around Samosir Island at Lake Toba. It was about 100 miles around and probably ranks among my top two motorbike rides along with the Bolaven Plateau in Laos. FaceEater posted:Mmm yeah cabe thanks for giving me pause about that story. Ibblebibble posted:If you want north Vietnam and don't want Hanoi or Ha Long bay (you want them, though), I'll suggest Sapa. Really beautiful hiking around there, nice and cool weather. Thanks for these guys, will definitely check them out!
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FaceEater posted:There's a pun here at "jacket potato" that I can't quite reach. Heh. Spuds, suds and puds
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Yeah, I imagine after the first year or two we'll want to slow down a bit and travel at a more genteel pace. Spend a month in Tuscany, or learning Spanish in Mendoza, or volunteering in Ethiopia. There's actually a friend of mine travelling to every country in the world (he's currently on 187 out of 197) who does something similar - he owns an apartment in Bangkok that's nominally his "home", but he spends 6-9 months of the year travelling.
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Paramemetic posted:Does anyone bother with Diamox for altitude? Ladakh is 11.5k up, and highest I've been is 9500 feet, with no symptoms. I'm sure they have oxygen around. I haven't looked into this for a few years, but altitude affects everyone totally differently. A wheelchair bound grandmother might have no problems while Usain Bolt is struggling to walk (exaggerated but you get the picture). It'll depend on how you get there as well - if you hop off a plane or an overnight train from sea level straight to the high altitude you're going to struggle no matter what, but if you ascend gradually over a few days you'll have way fewer problems. I took Diamox when I did Kilimanjaro (19,300 feet) a few years ago - mainly because I figured it gave me a better shot at reaching the summit. If it were up to me I'd try and stagger the trip to acclimatise thus eliminating the need for it, but if that isn't an option (or just descending if you run into difficulties isn't an option either) then I'd probably go for it for a few days. And yeah, seconding that that sounds like a loving cool trip.
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My problem with Singapore is that every time I've been, I've started to get itchy feet after just a couple of days. Check out Chinatown and the old historic areas, visit Raffles, wander around the marina area, hit up the hawker markets (we've done Maxwell St and some other Friday-night-only one I can't remember the name of), spend a day at the zoo. And them I'm like, hmm what now. Neither my wife or I are particularly interested in shopping, so the whole Orchard Road thing doesn't appeal to us at all. We'll probably visit again at some point in the next six months and I'm honestly not really looking forward to it.
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In Penang we stayed at this place which was pretty great: https://www.tripadvisor.com.au/Hotel_Review-g298303-d6582174-Reviews-Betel_Nut_Lodge-George_Town_Penang_Island_Penang.html It's not luxurious but it was definitely comfortable enough. Probably 10-15 minutes walk from the main historic part of Georgetown, and directly across the road from one of the best char kway teoh places in Penang. And the manager was a super-helpful, super-chatty guy who was so disappointed we couldn't find his favourite restaurant that he escorted us all the way back across town to find it (and then discover we couldn't find it because it was closed for a private function  ).
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Pie Colony posted:What time to people usually go out (both dinner and drinking I guess) in SEA? I've forgotten where you were intending to base yourself, but it's worth noting that NZ is 4 hours ahead of Singapore and 5 hours ahead of Bangkok/HCMC, so it may not be a very useful gauge!
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Central Europe is great, cheap and vastly unappreciated vs the more-touristed cities in the west. But I wouldn't recommend going in July/August, as even the slightly lesser-visited places like Croatia, Budapest and Prague will be jam-packed with tourists during the European summer months. Go a bit earlier or later in shoulder season. But that's just me - if the hordes of selfie sticks don't bother you then go for it! I guess if you're going to travel around Thailand you'll have to get used to them sooner or later..
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Guni posted:I live in Australia Get yourself one of these: https://www.citibank.com.au/aus/banking/everyday_banking/citibank_plus.htm They don't charge ATM fees, so it's free withdrawals at Citibank ATMs (reasonably common in most countries) or the typical $2-$5 ATM fee for non-Citi ATMs, and unlike most banks they don't charge you a % fee for international withdrawals. No annual fee or account-keeping fee either, though I think you have to have a minimum of like $50 AUD in there at all times. And it comes with a Visa debit card so you're sorted for both cash and card transactions. If you're intent on taking a credit card with you as well, you're probably best off with a 28 Degrees Mastercard. It's not quite as good as it used to be, but there's still no annual fee, no currency conversion fees, and no international transaction fees. And for God's sake, if any card terminal ever offers you the option of paying in your "home" currency DON'T take it. Always pay in the local currency. All the merchants have a huge scam going where they give you a super-lovely exchange rate in your own currency (like, worse than changing money at the airport lovely) and pocket the difference. Whereas if you pay in the local currency, it just gets charged at the local market rate.
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Honestly SEA is as cheap or expensive as you want to make it. You can have a super-expensive trip if you stay in Western chain hotels, eat at restaurants 3x per day, hit up every museum, buy a bunch of souvenirs and do a lot of shopping, fly between all your destinations, drink like an NRL player every night etc. But if you're staying in hostels, eating street food, picking & choosing your museums/whatever, getting public transport or flying at odd times to take advantage of cheap airfares then yeah it's going to be cheap. My wife & I spent a shitload in Bali as well, but that's because we were on our honeymoon and staying in a $1000/night villa and mostly eating/drinking at the (high-end) resort for a week. But we travelled across Malaysia for 2 weeks very comfortably on $100/day between us - staying in okay accommodation, eating mostly local/street food and doing free-ish activities. Time-wise, I guess it just depends on what you want to get out of it. Maybe you want to spend a few days in each place, see the highlights and move on - or maybe you want to really immerse yourself in a few places and stay a month or longer. For what it's worth, my wife and I are expecting to spend basically 6 months travelling around SEA later this year. In that we're aiming to cover basically all of it: Bali, Lombok, Komodo, Yogyakarta, Borneo, Brunei, Philippines, Thailand, Burma, Laos, maybe northern Vietnam and maybe a bit of peninsula Malaysia. We'll be skipping Cambodia, Singapore and northern Malaysia as we've already been, and my wife did a long trip through Vietnam before she met me so we'll likely only do a couple of bits there. I feel like six months is a good amount of time for the above at a reasonably relaxed pace. And tbh I disagree with the idea of doing shorter trips (unless you mean renting a place in Bangkok and branching out for short trips from there). I know Australia's right next to SEA, but if you're in Sydney/Melbourne/Brisbane it's still 7-9 hours flying time to Bangkok/Singapore/KL. Doing that a bunch of times in a year would get pretty tiresome imo.
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caberham posted:Christ 7 to 9 hours to Singapore ? Thought it was only 5ish. I have only been to oz once so I can't really comment. Its location on the map is so sneaky. Yeah Singapore -> Melbourne is like 8 hours dude. I actually just double-checked and Bangkok is about 9.5 hours from Sydney. It's the most annoying poo poo when you watch a couple of movies, eat dinner, then look out the window 5 hours into the flight and realise you still haven't loving left Australian airspace.
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Not in Australia either, AFAIK
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Actually that's a thought I had - are there even any local beers in Malaysia? Whenever I'm travelling I like to drink local as much as possible, but Malaysia is literally the only country I've ever been to where I couldn't find a local brand of beer. Local bars, expat bars, hotels, food courts, it didn't seem to matter - just Budweiser, Heineken and Tiger everywhere. I realise it's a majority-Muslim country, but that doesn't seem to stop other places from brewing their own.
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Bardeh posted:You can get this odd version of Guinness that's like 6% and tastes nothing like normal guinness. Still nice tho Interesting, I remember seeing Guinness everywhere but since I'm not a huge fan of their normal brew I didn't bother with it!
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KL is much closer to Singapore than most other SE Asian cities in terms of Westernisation, sanitation etc. I only spent a few days there and didn't feel like it was quite enough, but more than that and you'd be pushing it I think. I enjoyed the street food along Jalan Alor, but that was before I went to Penang (if I'd gone the other way I might have a different opinion!). Petaling Street was pretty good too from memory?
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Haier posted:Thanks for the replies. I had a feeling it would be kinda boring but sometimes a break is needed. Central KL is fine for walking, lots of footpaths in pretty reasonable condition. We only really got bugged by hawkers on Jalan Alor and that foot massage street around the corner. Although speaking of KL, my brother's girlfriend is Malaysian and she said her family all think of KL as super-sketchy. We spent a week there and never felt the slightest bit threatened (even walking down alleyways and dark lanes and stuff), so it was really surprising to hear. Apparently her family live in a big gated community in the suburbs and still have "security issues". Do they just live in Malaysia's Compton or something? edit; Also nobody has mentioned Batu Caves yet which are just north of KL. Old Hindu temples built into some caves high up a mountain. Well worth the trip, it's about an hour on the train north of KL. Go early in the mornings before the tour bus hordes arrive, though that advice applies to pretty much everywhere these days. webmeister fucked around with this message at 07:27 on May 12, 2016 |
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Anyone have any suggestions for Jakarta? Here for another day and I feel like we exhausted everything pretty quickly (the Old Town etc). We're staying just north of Monas in central Jakarta if that helps!
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I dunno, think we're just going to kill time by visiting a couple of the Westernised shopping malls. We did the "Old Town" yesterday and the day before we saw Monas and Jokowi himself which was kinda funny, but it surprises me that in a city of 30 million there doesn't seem to be much to actually do? Any restaurant recs maybe? Yelp doesn't exist in Indonesia and Foursquare is pretty useless since the top rated venues are all western fast food chains like KFC and Starbucks 
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JaySB posted:Cool, will do. Have a friend living on Gili T as well, assume that's kinda safe? Yeah Gili T is great, my wife and I spent a week there last month just relaxing, swimming, snorkeling and drinking. Be aware that it's a massive backpacker party spot these days so if you're not into that scene I'd try and get a place north of the marina (it's still only 10 minutes walk into the main area). We're both 35 and were probably in the oldest 20% of people there so yeah. I also got offered drugs a bunch of times and some shops were openly selling mushrooms. No meth though, sorry! My favourite part of Bali is the rice fields north of Ubud - just walk westward on the main road from the palace and look for a sign on the right-hand side of the road. We spent a perfect afternoon wandering around the fields and dropping in to the little warungs for fresh juices etc
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ReindeerF posted:Singapore challenge: Using only prices, figure out when you've left the airport. Maxwell Road Hawker Centre? It's actually pretty funny having just crossed into Malaysia from Singapore - the numbers on the menu don't change, but the prices drop by 60%
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JaySB posted:Objectively, what are the best hotels in Bali? For what type of trip? Drinking yourself into oblivion? Honeymoon? Doing yoga and meditating? On our honeymoon we stayed in a private villa in Ayana down in Jimbaran, that's probably the best hotel I've ever stayed in so yeah. Stayed at Dash Hotel in Seminyak a few weeks back and that was pretty good, though I'm not a fan of Seminyak particularly. There's a whole bunch of places around Ubud if you want to visit there, though unless you're 10+ minutes drive from town and away from the road it won't be as peaceful as you expect. I've heard good things about Sanur and Nusa Dua for just resorts, though these will probably be filled with obnoxious Australian families. Avoid Kuta and Denpasar like the plague - unless getting blackout drunk with bogan Australians is your ideal party scene.
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JaySB posted:Combination of drinking myself into oblivion and relaxing. I'm taking a lady friend to the Maldives and staying at Niyama before I head to Bali (most likely in Bali solo or with non romantic friends). I hate being around families and children on vacation. Was looking at Banyan Tree, Ayana, Oberoi, and Mandapa for comparison but I really have no clue. Okay if you hate being around families then avoid Ayana! If you want to drink and chill out on the beach either solo or with friends, jump on a fast boat to Gili T (it's about 2 hours east of Bali by speedboat). That sounds way more your scene! It's a tiny little island with no cars or motorbikes, all transport is via horse-cart or bicycle, there's lots of bars for partying and backpackers to hook up with, but if you stay a bit out of town it's pretty quiet. The snorkelling's great too!
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Scylo posted:I always assumed living on Gili T would be some horrible nightmare of dealing with obnoxious tourists every day Yeah living on Gili T is probably like that, but if all you want to do is dive, drink, smoke weed and have sex with backpackers it would be the perfect place. RE Jogja, my wife and I were there for a few days a couple of weeks back and enjoyed it. In terms of touristy stuff, Borobudur and Prambanan are obviously the biggest highlights. We thought the Borobudur sunrise was a bit overrated though, probably not worth the money. Prambanan sunset was excellent, though heavily touristed. In town the Water Castle (Taman Sari) was our favourite spot, make sure you don't miss the underground mosque with the MC Escher staircase. The royal residences weren't much to write home about, so I wouldn't stress about seeing these. Wander up and down Malioboro street though be aware that almost all the stalls are selling the same batik products which is kind of annoying. We were there during Ramadan so most of the food places were closed during the day (obviously), but the place definitely came alive at night. If you're there for a year make sure you fit in a trip to Mount Bromo which is about 7 hours east on the train. That sunrise was just magic. Oh yeah and avoid long-distance buses in Indonesia - the roads are terrifying and they're a huge magnet for scammers.
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What's the consensus these days on the eastern Thai islands? My understanding is basically: Koh Samui = rich people, Koh Phangan = party people, Koh Tao = diving people. Is that still basically accurate? We're arriving in Koh Samui in a couple of days and aim to spend a couple of weeks travelling around the islands. Any recommendations from anyone? We're mid-30s now so partying and meth isn't really our scene, and I think we're just looking to kick back and relax after travelling through Indonesia and Malaysia for the last few months. Not on a backpacker budget but funds aren't unlimited either.
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JaySB posted:My friend owns this.... http://www.samujana.com I might be able to get you a deal on one if you want to stay there. Wow yeah that's uh, a bit out of our price range! Nice villas though!
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Sheng-ji Yang posted:Im in Hong Kong on a layover hopefully getting to Singapore tomorrow and then into Malaysia to start a good long trip in SE Asia. Whats the best way to travel from Malaysia to Thailand? I imagine the land border is not a great idea especially after today. AirAsia is your friend. Your flight will probably 30-120 minutes late, and if you want anything beyond a seatbelt it costs extra, but it's only short flights in this part of the world so who cares (though I'm Australian and my definition of "short flight" probably differs from most). When you say heading to the beach from Singapore, how far afield were you thinking? There's a couple of crappy beaches in Singapore with excellent views of passing oil tankers, and honestly not much else. For beaches I'd recommend Langkawi in Malaysia or the Thai islands. The eastern islands (Samui, Pha Ngan, Tao) are better this time of year; westward in Phuket it's the monsoon season.
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I feel compelled to point out as well that since - I think - you're Australian, unless you have a motorbike license in AU your travel insurance provider will refuse to pay any liabilities, bills etc if you crash a scooter.
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Gunna be in Bangkok for a week or so as of Saturday, any BKK goons keen for a drink? I can be pretty flexible with dates/times...
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Atlas Hugged posted:I should be around. Cool, will shoot you a PM once I know where I'm staying etc
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Chantilly Say posted:What kind of places do you want to see? I can recommend some spots to grab a beer. Actually are there any micro-breweries or craft beer type places to check out? Chang/Singha/Leo/Tiger aren't too bad, but I love trying new local beers! And nothing too upmarket either - we're travelling for six months with only carry-on luggage so my dressy clothes didn't make the cut!
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Thanks for the tips guys, look forward to trying some stuff! We found a brewery on Samui just near Chaweng lagoon, but the Brit who owned it and did all the brewing served the beers at room temperature  Who migrates to the tropics to brew warm beer?!!?
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ladron posted:this is the korean solution exactly. I'm Australian, the idea of letting a beer sit for long enough to go warm never occurred to me
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If you want quiet beach in Thailand I can recommend the west coast of Samui. We stayed about 5 minutes drive from Lipa Noi pier and it was pretty great. Northern Ko Phang An is nice too, our hotel had two nice beaches to choose from plus a rocky private beach, some good restaurants a couple minutes walk away and a town 15 minutes walk if you could be bothered. Penang in October should be fine, we were there in October last year and had only minimal rain. The bigger issue is that that time of year gets badly affected by smoke haze from Indonesian forest fires, so if you're asthmatic or whatever I'd go at a different time.
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Yeah I don't even bother opening my bags to get out liquids, laptop etc unless they actually ask me. With airasia check in online (you can do it way in advance), but make sure you print out a physical boarding pass which your hotel can do. Checking in online saves the hassle at the airport, but they'll charge you a stupid fee if you rock up without the printout.
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I don't have a photo for reasons that will become clear, but a few weeks ago we were at the TAR islands just off Kota Kinabalu, which were absolutely swarming with Chinese tourists. There was a boy of probably 9-10 years old paddling in the surf completely naked, wearing only a lifejacket and covering his modesty entirely with the fastening strap that goes between your legs and back up your bum crack 
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So I think I've discovered the worst tourist attraction in Thailand now that the Tiger Temple's been shut down ... the Bridge on the River Kwai. I'm a pretty keen history nut, so I've been to a lot of memorials, museums, etc in my time, but holy poo poo I think the Bridge has to be the worst I've ever seen. Like, it's a functioning memorial to the 10,000 Allied POWs and 100,000+ forced labourers from other SEA countries who died during construction of the railway, but it seems like almost everyone there is completely unaware of this? The whole place was just jammed with tourist buses and people taking idiotic selfies all across the bridge. And - and I'm not kidding here - three entire carriages on the train were loaded up with Japanese twenty-somethings on what looked like a Contiki/Spring Break tour, complete with beers, screaming and pounding awful Eurotrash dance music. I was absolutely blown away - hard to think of anything less appropriate unless American booze tours regularly visit Hiroshima park or something. At least the museum proper in Kanchanburi was good  And the train ride out from Bangkok was really enjoyable, way better than paying an extortionate price for some lovely tourist minivan.
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