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Awkward Davies
Sep 3, 2009
Grimey Drawer

ODC posted:

Anyone else eagerly anticipating Friday? I can't wait to wear jeans.

Oh god, it makes me sad that Fridays are always better because of this. :negative:

I work for a massive corporate company, but honestly it's not that bad. The caf in the building is pretty awesome, I get in free to a lot of expensive museums because of my ID, they pay well, and are really well connected in the industry.

Downside is that if you want to get ANYTHING done, you have to go through like six departments plus legal and digital security to get it done.

Plus, lovely employees who do enough to get by but not an ounce more are almost impossible to fire.

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Awkward Davies
Sep 3, 2009
Grimey Drawer

Wagoneer posted:

Things you'll hear around the office every loving day:
1. Buckets, soup to nuts, and project analogies
:haw:: The solution needs to be soup to nuts and needs to cover every bucket. We're going to start this project off crawling, then bring it to where it's running.

:haw:: I came up with a new word... bucketize. :smug:

2. Idiots with computers
:haw:: It won't take! Why won't it take? It isn't taking!
:what:: Did you push the "Submit" button?
:haw:: WHERE WOULD I BE WITHOUT YOU! :allears:

:haw:: I think SharePoint is down. Is it down? Can you check?
:what:: Have you not heard everyone around you complain? Pretty sure it's down.

I work in corporate as a contractor, though, so we're basically the bastard children of the department. In fact, we all sit in this little "dugout" area instead of having our own cubes. I nicknamed it the cesspool since only contractors and consultants sit here. Our managers went so far as to put up a disco ball in the middle of it and hang streamers from the ceiling. I guess if I was an employee, I would be more entertained by the irony of the whole thing.

We get managers coming in saying:
:haw:: How's the disco party?!

And we all have to pretend it's funny.

I heard this in a meeting the other day:

"Now, I have a question, and this is extremely tactical".

Also, I'm working on putting together a trivia game for a conference. I was told that the questions should "Show how exciting our corporate brands really are".

Awkward Davies
Sep 3, 2009
Grimey Drawer

SERPUS posted:

To enhance our PROFESSIONAL IMAGE we are no longer allowed to have beverages of any kind at our desks. Not even water. I suppose that when a high-dollar client strolls through the area, a warm bottle of Diet Coke sitting on my desk might cause us to lose business.

So, in just 4 months, they've banned smoking completely, eating at your desk, and drinking at your desk. And we also have to swipe our timecards/security cards when entering the lounge area, so our movements can be tracked.

edit: and my 401k is down like 19%

My roommate works for a company that has Pepsi on retainer. It's an extremely, extremely serious problem if you have any sort of Coke (or other competitor's) product on your desk when Pepsi people come for meetings.

Awkward Davies
Sep 3, 2009
Grimey Drawer
Corporate is a good place for clusterfucks of competent people being controlled by an idiot, resulting in a department that should be awesome, being totally useless.

Awkward Davies
Sep 3, 2009
Grimey Drawer
I listened to a call today where a woman who earns over $200,000/year spent over a half hour equivocating over a Powerpoint FOOTER, and could not make a decision on what she wanted and finally asked my bosses boss (her direct subordinate): "Well...what do you think?"

How do you rise so high in a corporate environment without the ability to make the most basic of decisions? :psyboom:

Awkward Davies
Sep 3, 2009
Grimey Drawer

Ghostnuke posted:

gently caress a bunch of that, seriously. I wouldn't have answered the phone in the first place though...

Yeah man, its all about how available you make yourself. It's important to set work/life bounderies. This includes not picking up the phone when you have a totally valid excuse (I was asleep, it was 11 at night, I'm not paid to do this poo poo, you can go gently caress yourself etc).

Awkward Davies
Sep 3, 2009
Grimey Drawer

Sundae posted:

I can't vouch for him, but "salaried" workers in the USA usually get neither overtime, late-hours, or weekend pay. Whatever your salary is, annually, is what you get. It's also not that likely that you'll get any meal breaks, either, even though that part's pretty much illegal. Illegal is irrelevant when illegal is unenforced.

Example from my company:

Biologists working in cell-cultures have their usual salaried shift, which will run about 8:30-5:30 or so. Any meetings at our company are being moved to a mandatory 11:30-1:00 block (phasing it in, meaning all your meetings will be during lunch time). We have a "no food in meeting rooms" policy. Technically you have a lunch break, but you can never actually use it.

Those biologists do not have any cover for their culture maintenance on nights and weekends. If you need to be doing reagent changes, you get your rear end into the lab on weekends. If your cells die while you're on vacation, your rear end is fired. Thus, you do not take vacations unless you trust someone else to handle your stuff for you and not screw it up (and find someone willing to come in off-hours for no pay).

There is no reimbursement for the time of coming in to handle stuff on weekends or at night.;

I actually get a lunch hour because I'm not a salaried employee. It's pretty great actually, I was salaried at my last job and ate at my desk. Now I have to take a full hour and so can do what I want...and yet I now work for a huge corporate company.

Awkward Davies
Sep 3, 2009
Grimey Drawer

Stoatbringer posted:

In a previous job, I told my boss that I would never be available to work weekends as I needed to spend time with my wife and son.
Some time later he tried to get me to work evenings and weekends :
:byodood: So Stoatbringer, I know that you obviously have strong loyalty to your family, and I respect that.
:) Okay, thanks...
:byodood: As you have such a loyal personality I think it's reasonable to expect you to show a similar level of loyalty to the company, which is why I'm asking you to put extra time in to get <insane, impossible idea> finished.

Sure boss! No problem!

**Go back to desk, update resume, look for jobs**

Awkward Davies
Sep 3, 2009
Grimey Drawer

Astro7x posted:

What? How can he be denied unemployment for that? That seems a little weird to me...

He was fired with cause I'd guess.

Awkward Davies
Sep 3, 2009
Grimey Drawer
I've been doing something using Twitter recently. I set up a main account that people are supposed to follow. Someone asked if the main account had been set up.

I emailed back: "twitter.com/mainaccount"

I got an email back: "Is there a way I should tell them to get there…"

...bu...I just...

Awkward Davies
Sep 3, 2009
Grimey Drawer
My last job I didn’t do anything for a solid 2-3 months after being hired. I kept asking my boss for work and he kept responding “I dunno man, it’s just slow right now”. So I picked a cubicle in the back of the office and just played chess all day for months. That was for one of the major consultancies.

Eventually left that job for my current job, which is fully remote. I actually wouldn’t mind going into the office a couple days a week just for the change of scenery, but they closed the office in my city in 2022, so oh well.

Awkward Davies
Sep 3, 2009
Grimey Drawer

Sundae posted:

I hear things like these stories (got hired, had nothing to do for weeks/months) and don't know whether to feel envious or sympathetic. The day goes by a lot faster when you have something to do, but on the other hand I'd love to get hired somewhere and not have to hit the ground running and be making a difference by day three or so.

Narrator: Nothing he did made a difference. Anywhere.

But seriously, my current job is probably the slowest onboard I had in my career, and even that I was leading multiple project meetings by the start of week 2. I didn't know who anyone in the meeting was, but I was leading the poo poo out of that stuff. :v:

Honestly, it really sucked. It's not a comfortable experience, for me at least. It doesn't advance your career at all. If I had been laid off I would have been in worse place than I was before I had started, given that I had nothing to add to my portfolio and no new knowledge or skills (I'm a UX designer).

My current job has a three month ramp where you're learning about the platform. That was uncomfortable also, but at least there was a learning website where I could show I was making progress.

Awkward Davies
Sep 3, 2009
Grimey Drawer

Zarin posted:


• In conference rooms I should really consider making sure my chair was set just slightly lower than the most senior person's in the room


lol what the absolute gently caress. I didn't even know people thought about stuff like that. If you notice that sort of thing that seems like a you problem, rather than an everyone else problem.

I'm glad I've never run into this type of dumb poo poo. I don't know if I'm been lucky, or whether things are just looser on the design side.

Awkward Davies
Sep 3, 2009
Grimey Drawer

priznat posted:


- remote work is bad, need f2f for collaboration (and subtext where she doesn't believe home workers are actually working)


Isn't this usually because whoever speaking has lots of money invested in commercial real estate

Awkward Davies
Sep 3, 2009
Grimey Drawer
I dunno, a four day work week seems like a huge bonus to me. Same money, and you add 52 days off to your year? That’s a huge amount of time.

Awkward Davies
Sep 3, 2009
Grimey Drawer

Volmarias posted:

Soon to be 365 days off per year (with no pay)

A friend of mine negotiated four day weeks at her company and it’s going fine. Granted she works at a boutique media company and not corporate, but it is possible.

Awkward Davies
Sep 3, 2009
Grimey Drawer

dpkg chopra posted:

Project Management isn’t real. Years of resources and documentation with no measurable results. Needed to estimate how long a project would take? We had a tool for that, it was called guessing. They have taken us for absolute fools.

I was in a project cycle exit gate meeting with clients recently. There was a Big Important Client on the call who was supposed to listen and sign off.

The cycle exit is supposed to allow us to start build. For various reasons having to do with the client build had already started, but we were doing the cycle gate exit meeting anyway in order to check all the boxes.

The Big Important Client started saying “if build already started, what are we doing here? Can anyone tell me why we are here?”. This was of course awkward because the Big Important Client was so big and important no one could say “we’re just following the project plan that you signed off on to the best of our ability” so everyone kinda bullshitted until she left.

Project Management! Damned if you do, damned if you don’t.

Awkward Davies fucked around with this message at 15:37 on Jul 29, 2023

Awkward Davies
Sep 3, 2009
Grimey Drawer

KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:

i hate to side with the big important client here but like... she's got a point. you started the build, what's the point of a post-facto meeting to sign off?

She wasn’t wrong, but I’m just a cog.

Awkward Davies
Sep 3, 2009
Grimey Drawer
Going to HR on your own instead of through the VP might be a good way to side step any politics stuff. Just say “I’ve already spoken with HR about it” and the VP can go and run that down themselves.

Awkward Davies
Sep 3, 2009
Grimey Drawer

theHUNGERian posted:

I don't get it. I don't follow who said these words to whom and how they imply that anyone was jacking off, though I agree it's an unprofessional phrase in a typical work meeting that does not involve porn.

I’m curious how many typical work meetings involve porn for you.

Awkward Davies
Sep 3, 2009
Grimey Drawer
I managed to successfully pair “threaten to quit and get a raise and a promotion out of it” with “boss just sucks so much and they get fired and you end up managing”.

Basically my boss sucked, I did a lot of his job. I interviewed at another agency, got an offer. Boss countered with raise and promotion to Asst. director because he didn’t want me to stop doing his job (I think). I accepted. Other agency was pissed but oh well.

A month or two go by. Boss gets fired. Department is left without a director. I run the department with one or two designers under me. They hire someone at the SVP level but not the director. She comes in and goes “I think you’re doing fine”. We grow the department so there’s eventually four designers under me.

And then I quit and moved across the country and went back to an IC role and probably did permanent damage to my career growth but oh well. I’m finally at a company at which I can see growing back into that role.

Or maybe I’ll get fired bc I’m a big loving imposter and after my wife had cancer a couple years ago it’s hard to care very much. Either way.

Awkward Davies
Sep 3, 2009
Grimey Drawer

bee posted:

Corporate goons, I have a problem. I'm employed by a government agency, I've been working in the HR department for about two years. The pay, culture, and perks are good and I'm not looking to leave. Up until recently the roles I worked in were very busy so I'm used to having a lot of stuff to get through and I was fine.

About 3 months ago, I moved from what was an operational role into a project-based role. It's hard to explain but I am sucking in this new role and I don't understand why. Previously, I knew the processes and applicable policies I needed to understand in order to do my roles, and I was able to prioritise my day and just work through whatever was on my plate. I got great feedback from my previous colleagues and managers. Now, I just don't feel the motivation or drive to focus and actually do the work assigned to me.

One of the projects I have is near completion but awaiting sign off from senior leadership so it's just kind of sitting there. I've taken it over from someone else who was promoted into another role, and is now on maternity leave, so I can't approach them for advice on what they were doing previously to drive the outcomes for this project. In the meantime I'm expected to report on the deliverables for this project but as senior leadership have been sitting on approving this project for months, nothing is really happening with it and there's not much to report on. So I have that sitting in the background.

The other project I have is new and involves creating a HR-related framework/corporate plan for a particular employee cohort and I'm expected to design, develop and implement it myself. Which technically, I should be able to do because I did a project planning and management unit while I was doing my postgrad studies (admittedly I did not enjoy studying this but it was a core subject for the degree I was doing), it involves an area of work I can personally relate to, and my organisation has templates galore for creation of business cases, project delivery frameworks and the like.

But I just can't seem to focus and get any kind of traction with working on this. When I open up the project delivery framework or templates it's like I'm getting writer's block and I just stare at it for a while before going off and finding some other busywork to do. It's like all the different pieces of it are overwhelming me or something. Occasionally ad-hoc tasks like organising events or doing intranet updates pop up as a part of my role and I'll jump on these and smash them out without issue. My manager is the opposite of a micromanager and he's spinning a lot of plates due to our resourcing sucking so I can't expect him to hand-hold me through this but honestly I don't think that'd be a good look for me if he did need to do that. As far as career progression is concerned, if I want to move up into a higher-paying role I would be expected to be able to manage this kind of work.

Has anyone else experienced something like this? I recognise this is a weird problem to be having so I booked in a session with one of the leadership coaches through the agency's EAP, but it's not for another week :mad: so any insight or advice offered would be appreciated!

It sounds like you need help. “Hey boss, I’m having trouble attacking this project. Can I run my plan by you?”

Or “Hey boss, I think it would help me if we had weekly check-ins on this project so I can keep you updated and I can stay accountable”. Or whatever.

Nothing wrong with asking for help. Identifying that you’re struggling and knowing how to use your resources around you is a strength.

Awkward Davies
Sep 3, 2009
Grimey Drawer
When I was job hunting a couple years ago I got deep into the interview process with AWS and a bank here in LA.

AWS was something like 2-4 calls with screener, recruiter, a couple other people, an interview day prep call and then a full day remote interview which consisted of 5-6 separate interviews, a portfolio review with a panel, and then a design exercise. The design exercise was at the end of the day and I think that sunk me because I was fried after interviewing all loving day. Total calls must have been approaching 10? This was for a Senior UX Designer position.

The bank was a call with the recruiter, two calls with the manager, one call with the team, another call with the manager, a group interview with bank leadership. Total calls was 6. They never bothered to tell me I didn't get the job. This was for a UX manager position.

Awkward Davies
Sep 3, 2009
Grimey Drawer

Baddog posted:

Amazon put the technical one at the end of the day for me too! Same deal with being completely wiped at that point after 6 hours of bullshitting through all their "talk us through an example of how you demonstrated one of our 30+ core principles". Couldn't talk straight let along think anymore. Apparently not being a "bar raiser" (gotta demonstrate above the team average skills) was what did me in. Never mind my long track record of coming up to speed quickly on whatever the hell I need to learn. Too old, too slow, whatever, gently caress off.

From what I hear we both dodged a bullet, but drat the comp was good with those sweet sweet RSUs.

Awkward Davies
Sep 3, 2009
Grimey Drawer

Motronic posted:

A lot of layoffs are chaotic and done on spreadsheets by people who are so far removed from front line engineers that they don't know what they do how they do it or if they're needed. Then there is a shuffle to get the people back who had the institutional knowledge/tribal knowledge that didn't get written down or the people who actually did the work that got wrongly caught up in the layoff.

I really don't understand what kind of person would actually go back. Of go back and put in any sort of effort now that they know exactly how valued they are by most of the company - the part with the actual firing ability.

If you haven’t found anything else yet going back makes sense to me. Job hunt and collect a salary and then move on.

Awkward Davies
Sep 3, 2009
Grimey Drawer

Democratic Pirate posted:

My Dad is at the age where one of our periodic update topics is the retirement schedule of all his friends.

One friend, a year ago: “It’s not on my mind. I’m good at my job, it’s light on stress, it gives me something to do, and we get a bigger nest egg for family vacations and golf trips.”

Same guy, last week: “well there’s a new EVP…”

My dad is convinced that men retire and then go insane (men specifically). He’s now reluctantly moving towards it at age 74 and I just feel like, poo poo, enjoy yourself. You’ve got the money, what’s wrong with you?!

Awkward Davies
Sep 3, 2009
Grimey Drawer

knox_harrington posted:

gently caress golf. Rewild the courses, what a waste of good land. gently caress golfers especially.

These shitheads that can't think of anything better to do than work into their 70s are the problem, the sooner they die out the better. If I have to work past 60 I'm becoming a domestic terrorist.

I’ll make sure to let my dad know, thanks.

Awkward Davies
Sep 3, 2009
Grimey Drawer
My first job after college was in customer retention for a company that made address verification software sold on a yearly license. So basically it was like sales for a product the customer had already bought, and lots of times had forgotten about buying. So I’d have to basically do all the sales things like cold calling and org chart research etc to find someone who cared and convince them to pay tens of thousands of dollars for address verification software.

Anyways I was terrible at it and after like four months they told me they could put me on a PIP or I could just quit right then and they’d pay me for the next two weeks. Obviously I quit on the spot.

Then the economy collapsed because this was 2008.

I still have nightmares about that job. I had to wear a suit. They didn’t allow beards. They refused to call me by my nickname, which is basically just my name because I’ve been called it since before I can remember. It’s one of the most depressed periods in my life. I read Infinite Jest while I worked there, because what else do you do when you’re 22 and hate your life and live in Boston.

The idea of doing sales makes me so anxious, I don’t understand how people do it.

Awkward Davies fucked around with this message at 02:39 on Aug 23, 2023

Awkward Davies
Sep 3, 2009
Grimey Drawer

knox_harrington posted:

Maybe this is commercial or sales, I agree I've never seen actual nepotism at the companies I've worked at. Clinical development is fairly uncompromising, there's not much wiggle room if you don't know the disease and drug.

Same. I’ve only worked for large multi-national companies. Certainly what was maybe cronyism.

Awkward Davies
Sep 3, 2009
Grimey Drawer
There’s lots of people who don’t have the connections and the job to get someone else to pay for their MBA. That MBA could still significantly increase the amount of money they make.

Awkward Davies
Sep 3, 2009
Grimey Drawer
MBAs are for noobs, I got a MPS. That’s right, a masters of PROFESSIONAL studies. It’s got professional in the name, checkmate.

(It was basically art school)

Awkward Davies
Sep 3, 2009
Grimey Drawer

Dango Bango posted:

RE: phone/internet reimbursement - my company lowered the amount significantly despite moving most people to WFH. They also made it a manual process where you have to submit an expense report every single month where it used to just be paid directly to your carrier once set up.

You have to think they're saving a TON of money just from people forgetting to submit.

That reminds me, I've got six months of spectrum reimbursements to do. Thank you.

Awkward Davies
Sep 3, 2009
Grimey Drawer
I’m a consultant for a big tech company. We’re judged, partially, on our utilization. Basically how many hours we bill. My bonus is based off utilization. If I meet the number (70 something percent of my time), I get my bonus. If I exceed I get 100%+ of the bonus, depending by how much I exceed it. I assume that if I have a very low util I get fired, but I’m not responsible for finding my own projects to work on.

I got lucky and got put on a long term project when I started at the company. I’ve been on it for a little over a year.

The long term project is for an extremely well known company. People on the project keep saying “oh, now that you’ve worked on [company] you’ll have an easier time finding new projects, it will look really good for you”.

I’ve realized recently I’m probably burnt out on the project. I just don’t care. It doesn’t really seem to matter if I do care. I could coast and fully bill into next year. I do almost no work. I’m a designer, and there’s very little creative problem solving to be done. I sit on calls, maybe push some pixels here or there occasionally, and that’s it.

The company I work for has a very well defined and documented product, with a lot in the way of certifications and knowledge needed to understand how to design for it. I worry that by not taking a challenging project I’m not learning and that will be a problem in the long run.

On the other hand, I could sit on my rear end, collect 125% of my bonus, and chill until next year. I’m slowly trying to use my time to study for various certifications in my company’s product that I’m supposed to have by the end of their fiscal year.

A design leader on the project asked recently, as a matter of course, if I wanted to leave the project for something new. I said no, but I do think the door is open. However, given the economy and *gestures broadly* I’m not sure there’s a ton of projects clamoring for help.

So what do you think: ride it out, or ask to switch?

Awkward Davies
Sep 3, 2009
Grimey Drawer
I get that someone’s gonna soak the hours, I’ve worked in client facing roles for the last 9 years or so. I’m more concerned about myself, and whether it’s a smarter move to give up the cushy job for a bit of a challenge.

It does seem like the smarter thing is to pass the certifications and then worry about it.

Awkward Davies
Sep 3, 2009
Grimey Drawer

Vasudus posted:

My reward was an anxiety disorder.

Already got that

Awkward Davies
Sep 3, 2009
Grimey Drawer

Sundae posted:

To add to what Lockback said (and let's be clear: most people do not get any sizable severance), there's also that your health insurance and dental insurance are typically tied to your employment. If you are laid off, you might be COBRA eligible for a period, which can run you thousands and thousands of dollars a month to continue receiving your existing coverage. Or, you could go onto the ACA marketplace and gamble on whether whatever insurance you pick up there is accepted by your current ongoing doctors/procedures. Are you in the middle of braces or invisalign? Roll the dice on coverage. Did you have a maintenance medication? Rolling the dice there. Did you have surgery planned or were you in physical therapy afterward? :lol: in general.

Did you just buy a house? Do you have a mortgage? Is your rent kind of high because you live in a HCOL area, or your savings aren't where they ought to be because you just had surgery / took a big vacation / had a huge car repair bill? All of these suck when you have a sudden income loss. Did lots of people at your company lose their jobs at the same time? Congrats, you're now competing for limited jobs in your field against all your old coworkers. What few of you get the remaining jobs are about to take a giant loving pay cut because your new employers have a glut of qualified candidates.

Even more fun: Is your visa to stay in the country dependant on your employer, who just laid you off?

While my wife was in treatment for breast cancer I worried about this a lot. Now she’s better but we’re trying to have a baby that doesn’t inherit the gene mutation that gave her cancer, which means IVF, which means fertility coverage through work.

(Not that it matters THAT much because all the fertility plans have a lifetime max spend of $28k and are you surprised that doesn’t go super far?)

Awkward Davies
Sep 3, 2009
Grimey Drawer
This year, for some reason, I’m way more annoyed by all the American flags out for Labor Day. It’s LABOR day, not America Day Pt. III.

Awkward Davies
Sep 3, 2009
Grimey Drawer
I'm the expansion chamber

Awkward Davies
Sep 3, 2009
Grimey Drawer

Tnuctip posted:

Interviewing at a start up, on-site hopefully next week. No it’s not software or in CA and isn’t “tech”, but engineering boss man kept asking me about start up culture a lot of times, so yes pretty sure I got it. Otherwise neat and interesting.

How do I ask if they offer equity without sounding like a dumbass? And if they say yes, what question do I ask as a follow up.

Wouldn’t equity be included in the comp package? That will come up if they want to offer it to you.

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Awkward Davies
Sep 3, 2009
Grimey Drawer
Re: equity chat last page I know a guy who worked for a start up that was acquired by a major international company. The acquisition made him and (almost) everyone else working there extremely rich.

However, he said there was another guy working for the start up who had elected to receive only cash compensation, didn't trust the equity offer, didn't think he'd be there long or whatever.

Imagine that day, everyone around you just found out they're now worth 10s of millions of dollars, and you are not.

(I'm aware that making millions off your equity is rare and I'm not suggesting anything)

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