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Nckdictator
Sep 8, 2006
Just..someone

Chairman Capone posted:

I think the guy who voiced Watto even said he explicitly based his portrayal on Alec Guinness's role as Fagin in the 1948 Oliver Twist movie, which... why would you do that, let alone then admit it?

So, Anakin goes from being owned by Alec Guinness to being trained by Alec Guinness?

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Nckdictator
Sep 8, 2006
Just..someone
Today I leaned that blackDuro-face was a thing.

http://www.starwars.com/news/slugthrowers-part-2

quote:

The anti-alienism of the New Order was perhaps nowhere more evident than in the Imperial City premiere of The Kallea Cycle by Maestro Trebian Shullos in 3 ABY. An opera about the forging of the Hydian Way hyperspace route, the Duros explorer Banu Hydia was shamelessly portrayed by Chandrilan human bass singer Amaro Fonteen in ridiculous green facepaint and mock Duro makeup instead of by an actual Duro double-bass vocalist.

Nckdictator
Sep 8, 2006
Just..someone
Good pun or a bad pun?

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Benedict_Vidkun

quote:

Vidkun worked as an engineer at the Imperial Complex. Most of Vidkun's low salary was spent on expensive items by his younger wife. His two brothers-in-law were Lair and Daiv. He was a contact of Dash Rendar who accompanied Luke Skywalker, Lando Calrissian and Chewbacca to rescue Leia Organa from Prince Xizor. They paid for the information and the plans for the sewers that lead to Xizor's Palace and hired him to open the grates and the zapping failsafe mechanism. For some reason they didn't trust Vidkun and did not allow him to call his wife before leaving, nor to hold a blaster in the sewers, fearing that he would give them in.

He led the band via the sewers until outside the Palace's recycling room. He left them a key and started to leave but Lando insisted that he would come along and wait for them. After a brief argument, Vidkun pulled off his hidden blaster and shot Dash whom he injured, but Dash shot him between the eyes immediately after.

I just realized he's named after two prominent traitors. ( Benedict Arnold/Vidkun Quisling



I can't imagine why our heroes didn't trust him.

Nckdictator fucked around with this message at 23:26 on Feb 2, 2016

Nckdictator
Sep 8, 2006
Just..someone
Hey, are there any articles or essays describing the creative process or what went wrong in the Bantam era EU? I seem to recall there was one posted here but I can't find it.

Nckdictator
Sep 8, 2006
Just..someone
So, I'm reading Star Wars Art: Visions and while it's neat seeing the different styles applied to Star Wars some of the choices are...questionable.























:nws: http://i.imgur.com/1AYo53s.jpg

:nws: http://i.imgur.com/HGyvduc.jpg

Nckdictator
Sep 8, 2006
Just..someone
Trying to find the read-through of the Bounty Hunter Wars books. Was that in this thread of are they preserved offsite somewhere?

Nckdictator
Sep 8, 2006
Just..someone
The one linked in the OP? Seems to be in Archives

http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3296954

Nckdictator
Sep 8, 2006
Just..someone
So, the AV Club linked this really fascinating blog on the early history of Star Wars.

http://episodenothing.blogspot.com/

Listening to the audience reaction to the climax is seriously great, everyone's having so much fun.

http://episodenothing.blogspot.com/2016/06/listen-1977-audiences-reaction-to-star.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OxBafn2t5v4

Nckdictator
Sep 8, 2006
Just..someone
Just started reading Once Upon a Galaxy: A Journal of the Making of The Empire Strikes Back by Alan Arnold, the film's publicist. It's pretty interesting so far (but then again I'm biased because I love reading behind-the-scenes things like that). He recounts that in November of 1978 Irvin Kershner flew out alone to the summit of the glacier near Finse, Norway in order to visualize the Hoth setting. Kershner asks that the helicopter head back to base camp and he'll radio in when he needs to be picked up. After a few hours up there, with night falling, the temperature almost -20F, and "wearing clothes better suited through a stroll through (London's) Hyde Park in winter" Kershner radios in only to find out that the helicopter has had engine trouble and can't take off. Somehow the 56 year old Kershner manages to hike the four miles back to base.


:psyduck:

Starting out like that how was ESB not a disaster?

Nckdictator fucked around with this message at 00:10 on Aug 7, 2016

Nckdictator
Sep 8, 2006
Just..someone
Was browsing the old Timeline website, came across some unpublished short stories.

Have to admit, some are pretty decent for dumb pulpy stuff.

http://www.starwarstimeline.net/AdventureJournal16/ServantoftheEmpire.htm

Nckdictator
Sep 8, 2006
Just..someone
http://www.cracked.com/article_24457_5-ways-george-lucas-almost-killed-star-wars-forever.html

From Cracked (I know, I know). I vaguely remembered Detours being announced but had no idea it looked that bad.

Arcsquad12 posted:

Well that's a relief. Most of the stuff to come out of force.net is terrible especially since their working relationship with Lucasfilm and Disney resulted in most dissenting opinions leaving the site. It's no fun posting on a forum where moderators endorse harassment against people who dislike authors or stories while punishing those same people for back talk.

What's wrong with them? Too focused on the new Eu? Legends? Something else?

Nckdictator
Sep 8, 2006
Just..someone
For some reason I never read the old, weird 70's-80's Marvel comics, are they worth reading? I've liked what I've seen of them.

What's the best/ cheapest way to get a hold of them since Marvel reacquired the franchise?

Nckdictator
Sep 8, 2006
Just..someone
Chewie?



:ohdear:





Nckdictator
Sep 8, 2006
Just..someone
The first EU thing I read (besides the "Glove of Darth Vader") was Vector Prime. Around 2003 I was trying to read up on Star Wars online when I read somewhere that Chewbacca had died. My mind was utterly blown by that so I decided to start reading there.

I'm surprised I stuck with the EU after that. Went back and read most of the earlier novels, checked out after the bug orgy and stopped reading anything chronologically after that. One thing that stuck with me though is how much I enjoyed the short stories compared to the novels. The novels mainly focused on the Big 3 saving the New Republic from a random superweapon or warlord of the week (with notable exceptions). The short stories on the other hand could focus on just about anything: Jabba's guards and their magic 8 ball, that weird Corellian Jedi playwright thing, an imperial officer hunting down slavers, Fett taking on an entire imperial base, random treasure hunters,etc . Sure, most of them weren't much better then the novels but they at least allowed various story and characters ideas that normally wouldn't be considered "Star-Wars-like"

Nckdictator
Sep 8, 2006
Just..someone
http://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-38423963

This isn't good.

Nckdictator
Sep 8, 2006
Just..someone
So, concept art from that never-made Darth Maul game only raises more questions then answers.

Set after Return of the Jedi? New Sith Empire, Darth Talon, what?

quote:

Back in 2011, I was fortunate enough to work with Lucas Arts and Redfly Studios to help develop the look direction for a new Star Wars IP that centered around Darth Maul. It took place in a future time line sometime after Return of the Jedi and was meant to have a darker, grittier tone. Unfortunately the project was conceived around the same time as the Disney acquisition. it was cancelled after 1 year of development. Definitely dream of getting the opportunity to work on another Star Wars related project, so much fun!

https://www.artstation.com/artwork/Wzwk2





















Nckdictator
Sep 8, 2006
Just..someone
Fan speculation from before Revenge Return of the Jedi was certainly something.







https://www.rowsdowr.com/2012/06/16/star-wars-speculation-from-1980-before-return-of-the-jedi/

quote:

The Empire Strikes Back is a spectacular box office success, guaranteeing the return of Luke and the rest of the Star Wars gang in Episode 6: Revenge of the Jedi. The bad news is that Jedi won’t appear at your local theater for another THREE YEARS. No one has the slightest doubt that Luke will defeat Darth Vader at exactly one hour and 56 minutes into that two hour film, but exactly how he’ll do it, and the answer to that all important question of the identity of Luke’s real father, are mysteries that lie in a 12-page outline in George Lucas’ desk drawer. But there are clues, sprinkled through the first two movies and the Star Wars novels. Combined with various interviews George Lucas has given, and a little imagination, they might give us a pretty good idea of what could happen in the next episode of the “Adventures of Luke Skywalker.” Let us indulge in some purely deductive speculation.

What We Know So Far

Like any good detective novel, we should start with the background first. George Lucas signed a two-picture contract with United Artists sometime around 1970. The first picture was to be American Graffiti, and the second a “space-fantasy” film. When UA decided not to do Graffiti, he took the picture to Universal Studios. Before it was released, and became a huge success, UA also backed out of its option to do Star Wars. Lucas took the idea to 20th Century Fox and was paid $10,000 to write a script.

Writing that script took him two years. He started with a storyline, but soon realized it was too long for a single picture. He cut it in half, and then divided each half into three episodes. What we first saw as Star Wars has been re-titled Episode 4: A New Hope. Episode 5: The Empire Strikes Back and Episode 6: Revenge of the Jedi will complete the second trilogy, and then Lucas will go back to film Episode 1. This is important because Jedi must be viewed as the climax of the entire saga, involving characters from the first half that we haven’t met yet, most notably the pilot Skywalker, who Obi-wan Described as “the best pilot in the galaxy…and a good friend.”

The first script Lucas wrote was about Luke’s father and his relationship to Darth Vader and Ben Kenobi. Lucas decided he didn’t like it and wrote a completely different second script with Luke as its main character. The plot was straight out of The Hardy Boys. Luke’s older brother, a battle-hardened warrior, arrived on Tatooine to find Luke so they could rescue their father, an old Jedi. Slowly, the characters evolved. The father figure became a friend of the father, Ben Kenobi. The older brother became Han Solo, a cynical smuggler. At one point, Luke was a girl and Han fell in love with her.

Then Lucas decided to use both Luke and the girl, and Leia was created, also with a four-letter name beginning with L so no one would get confused. A climactic battle with hundreds of Wookies invading the Death Star was replaced by a World War II aerial dogfight copied from The Dam Busters.

The first three episodes will depict a much younger Ben Kenobi leading Skywalker into the Clone Wars. They take place about 20 years earlier, and according to Lucas, will show “the early life of Luke’s father when Luke was a little boy.” Since Luke’s father is supposed to die at the end of the trilogy, I wonder why Lucas qualified it as his “early life”?

The evolution of Darth Vader is interesting too. In the second script, Vader started as an intergalactic bounty hunter, tracking down and murdering Jedi Knights for the Emperor. Then Vader became a Dark Lord, with religious overtones, and Lucas created Boba Fett from that early concept of Vader as a bounty hunter.

In the first trilogy, Vader is a “very young Jedi” who becomes Obi-wan’s apprentice. I can’t imagine any boy younger than ten going through the kind of Jedi training we’ve already seen, and I can’t picture Obi-wan describing anyone over 18 as a “very young Jedi.” In Empire, Luke is somewhere between 21 and 25, and Yoda says he is too old to begin the training. Skywalker is old enough for Kenobi to call him a “friend,” probably around 25 or 30. Yoda describes Skywalker as a “powerful Jedi with much anger in him.”

Darth Vader betrayed and murdered the pilot Skywalker. Obi-wan opposed Vader, and at the end of a fierce sabre duel, drove Vader into the molten lava of an active volcano. Vader survived, but his body was ruined, and he must wear an ominous black breathing mask that also hides his disfigured face. A powered exoskeleton added a foot to his height and tremendous strength to his crippling limbs.

Too weak to face Vader again, and knowing that his fellow Jedi Knights were either disbanded, disorganized, or dead, Obi-wan his in the Tatooine desert until Skywalker’s son was old enough to become a Jedi Knight and defeat Darth Vader. Tatooine was Skywalker’s home, where he owned a farm before he joined Obi-wan in the Clone Wars.

How does the story end? The entire story, not just the half we’ve seen so far. Obi-wan, presumably seeing through the Force, has warned Luke, “Only a fully trained Jedi Knight, with the Force as his ally, will conquer Vader and his Emperor.” But Luke leaves Dagobah before he completes his training, and Obi-wan grieves, “There goes our only hope.” Yoda disagrees with him.

“No,” Kenobi’s former teacher corrected him, “there is another.”

Another? Another what? Another fully trained Jedi Knight besides Luke? George Lucas comments that there is another, and “there has been for a long time.” The mystery deepens, but Lucas says it won’t be completely explained until the saga ends with Episode 3 some time in 1992. That’s ridiculous. I think we can make a pretty good guess who the “other” is right now.

What will happen in Episode 1?

Let’s pretend (and that’s the name of the game, isn’t it?) that we can see July of 1986 through the Force, and Episode 1: The Clone Wars has just opened in San Francisco theaters.

The story opens with young Obi-wan Kenobi pushing his way through a crowded, far-off city, when he senses a tremor in the Force. He follows it to a slave boy surrounded by an angry crowd.

Slavery keeps appearing in the Star Wars galaxy, and one of the duties of the Jedi Knights was to stop it. The mark of a slave is a steel collar around the neck. It’s also an obedience device. At a radio signal, solenoids tighten the collar around the slave’s throat, choking him.

The boy’s collar was too small for him, and when his cruel Master touched the punishment button, it started to crush his windpipe. Out of blind self-preservation, the boy used the Force. Like Luke, he had no idea it existed, but in his last desperate moment he willed his Master to know exactly how it felt to die. To his surprise, he discovered that the illusion of suffocation was just as deadly as the collar itself.

The penalty for killing a Master was death, but Obi-wan intervened. He purchased the boy at a fair price, recognizing him as a lost Jedi offspring. The boy gave his name as Darth Vader, but when he tried to call Obi-wan “Master,” the great warrior admonished him sternly.

Upon their return to his ship, the Millennium Falcon, Obi-wan watched carefully as the boy met the Falcon’s pilot, Skywalker. Carefully, because he had recognized Vader as an identical clone to Skywalker, though several years younger


Darth Vader and Anakin Skywalker are Clones

Luke is a Skywalker clone - Fantastic Films Dec 1980

Here’s the answer to Empire’s burning question. When Vader claimed to be Luke’s father, Luke didn’t want to believe him, but “somehow he could feel the truth in the Dark Lord’s words.” The Force told Luke that Vader was his father because Vader is a clone from the same donor as Skywalker. Genetically speaking, Vader is Skywalker. This also explains why Luke saw his own face under Vader’s mask on Dagobah.

Darth Vader is a Skywalker clone - Fantastic Films Dec 1980

There is another way to interpret Vader’s startling revelation. He could be saying that the pilot Skywalker succumbed to the Dark Side of the Force, killed Vader and donned Vader’s mask and costume. If that’s true, why didn’t Skywalker kill Yoda with the rest of the Jedi’s? If he trained under Yoda, he knows that Luke will wind up on Dagobah eventually, and could have saved a lot of Imperial Probe Droids. No, Vader doesn’t know about Yoda, and that means he can’t be Skywalker.

The Millennium Falcon was designed by Jedi scientists for Anakin

Millenium Falcon build by Jedi scientists for Anakin - Fantastic Films Dec 1980

Let’s talk about the Millennium Falcon for a moment. What an odd name for a beat-up freighter! A Falcon is a bird of prey, a fighting bird. Millennium refers to the thousand generations of Jedi Knights before Luke. Didn’t you ever wonder why the Falcon is the fastest hunk of junk in the galaxy? Because she was designed by Jedi scientists as Skywalker’s private warship, to protect his cover identity as a smuggler. In Star Wars, Luke said, “My father didn’t fight in the Clone Wars. He was no knight-just a navigator on a space freighter.”

This gives us another clue about the mysterious Skywalker.

He liked disguises, so people would underestimate his powers.

On Mos Eisley, Obi-wan knew fate was helping them when Han introduced himself as “the Captain of the Millennium Falcon; maybe you’ve heard of her?”

“Should I?” answered Ben, tongue pressed firmly in cheek.

Han bragged that the Falcon’s speed came from his “special modifications,” but she was just as fast when Lando owned her. Remember, Han was originally Luke’s older brother, and it would only be natural for him to bring along his missing father’s personal ship. Han’s identity was changed, but he kept the Falcon.

Okay, let’s go back to the Clone Wars.

A clone is a human being grown from the cells of an existing person, producing an exact genetic duplicate. Normally, a child is a random combination of genes from two separate parents, and thus unique. If one parent possesses a special talent, a normal child might or might not inherit it. A clone definitely would.

Only certain people can use the Force. Obi-wan suggests it can be inherited. “Only certain individuals could recognize the Force for what it was. They were mercilessly labeled: Charlatans, fakers, mystics-and worse…”

The Force is not magic. The Force is a scientific explanation for those mysteries we call magic or religion.

In THX 1138, George Lucas gave us a brief glimpse of a Reproduction Center, where tiny fetuses were growing inside bottles. We saw those bottles again in Empire, when Luke is treated for injuries inside a tank of water. One thing you can say about George Lucas, he never throws an idea away. The same ones show up again and again.

Obi-wan Kenobi is OB-1, the first clone of a man with the initials O.B.

THX 1138 was Robert Duvall’s name in that picture. R2D2 and C3PO have been shortened to Artoo and Threepio because that’s how they sound when spoken. Consider Obi-wan. That’s obviously OB-1, but why does Ben get a special name? In Star Wars, only robots get names like that. And why did he stop using it? He told Luke, “Obi-wan…now, that’s a name I haven’t heard in a long time. Of course I know him; he’s me. I haven’t gone by the name Obi-wan since before you were born.”

What happened just Before Luke was born? When Princess Leia sent the message in Artoo, she used the title. “General Obi-wan Kenobi, you served my father in the Clone Wars…”

OB-1 is a clone designation. Using it might have attracted attention, and perhaps one of the Emperor’s bounty hunters. Obi-wan was the first clone of a man with the initials O.B.-but who?

Historical and Biblical References

Remember, the saga describes the fall of the Republic, and the rise of the Empire. Lucas didn’t invent those names. He borrowed them, and much of his plot, from the actual fall of the Roman Republic and the rise of the Roman Empire. In our galaxy, that took place about 100 B.C.

In the Star Wars universe, Rome never fell because it was protected by Jedi Knights, an ancient religious order with control over the Force. A Jedi Knight has no interest in ruling, only in keeping the rightful government in power. Yoda said, “Adventure, excitement, a Jedi craves not these things…anger, fear, aggression, the Dark Side of the Force they are. Easily they flow, quick to join in a fight. Beware of them. A heavy price is paid for the power they bring.”

What famous person taught that philosophy during the Roman Era? To give you a clue, he also chose to die rather than fight back against an evil tyrant. Immediately after he died, his body mysteriously disappeared, and he reappeared in a vision to his disciples.

Jesus Christ, of course.

Go back to THX 1138 and watch how Lucas mocks the confessional booth, with a computer’s voice preaching nonsense Jesus’ poster staring from the wall like Big Brother in 1984. The Force is the “basis of all primitive religion,” including Christianity, and those who used it were “misunderstood by their fellows- and worse.”

Worse is right. One was crucified. A lot more were locked away in asylums, or burned at the stake.

Is Obi-wan supposed to be Jesus Christ? Yes and no. Obi-wan is one thousand generations down the line from the first Jedi, who would have been the Jesus of the Star Wars universe. The first Jedi was probably a scientist instead of a religious fanatic, who recognized his ability to perform miracles was something less than divinity that could be passed on through the DNA double helix. For a parallel, read about The Mule in Asimov’s Foundation Trilogy, which curiously also deals with the fall of the Galactic Republic and the rise of the Empire.

How does Lucas answer the question? He says, “Ben started out as Luke’s father and became the friend of Luke’s father. I wanted a character that was an old warrior, very stately, a father image for Luke. He evolved out of that. He wasn’t meant to be Christlike, but rather a thoughtful and intelligent man with a noble bearing a symbol of goodness and mystical power.”

And yet, when Obi-wan appeared on the screen, he was wearing a beard and robe identical to Christ’s. In all probability, Jesus didn’t have light brown hair and blue eyes, the way he’s portrayed in modern paintings. No, those artists reduced Jesus’ teachings to their basic elements, and then painted a face to match them. That’s how Lucas did it, too. He studied dozens of ancient legends, including King Arthur and Tolkien’s Lord of the Rings, and isolated the most common elements, trying to come up with a story so basic that the audience thinks they remember it from somewhere else. “Thou shalt not kill” and “Do unto others…” appear in almost every story, and so does the struggle between Good and Evil. The good guys always wear white and the bad guys wear black.

Lucas created Obi-wan as the most credible source for his philosophy. An old soldier knows more about the morality of killing than a young conscientious objector. Luke is the innocent farm boy he teaches how to avoid the pitfalls of life in the big city.

The confusion about Jesus comes from thinking he was the only legendary figure who underwent a resurrection. There were lots of others, particularly in Roman mythology. It’s probably the most popular attribute of the legendary hero. Death is the most terrifying of all of mankind’s experiences because none of us can escape it; therefore, only the greatest heroes can conquer it.

Obi-wan was originally supposed to lead the Wookie attack on the Death Star. About halfway through the filming, Lucas decided that the Falcon’s escape from the Death Star was too easy, and told Guinness that his character was going to die in his duel with Vader. Conquering death is the last heroic act, and usually isn’t added until after the hero has made his reputation. When Lucas added the mystical aspect of Obi-wan coming back from the dead, he turned Obi-wan into a Christ-figure, whether that was his original intention or not.

There are two important differences.

The Jedi’s actively support the government in power, instead of looking toward the world beyond this one, and the philosophy of “Turn the other cheek” has been updated to “Speak softly and carry a big light-sabre.”

Obi-wan isn’t above amputating a few arms in the name of the cause.

Obi-was is probably closer to Merlin in the King Arthur legend, and Luke is the young Arthur who finds the magical sword, Excalibur. Leia is his beloved Guinevere, who falls for the dashing young Lancelot (Han Solo). All the old legends have the same characters, anyway.

The Jedi Knights have preserved the Republic for a thousand generations. In Biblical days, a millennium was only a thousand years, but Lucas thinks big – a thousand years of peace under divine guidance before the Antichrist appears to fight the ultimate war. And who is the Antichrist, who serves Satan, an ex-angel who succumbed to the Dark Side of Evil? You tell me.

JEDI could stand for Jesus Eugenics Development Institute

Better yet, tell me what Jedi stands for. In Latin, the plural of Jesus would be Jesi, but that’s too obvious. If the early Christians cloned Jesus to preserve his unique DNA, they might have built the Jesus Eugenics Development Institute. It provided a home for the galaxy’s greatest minds, robot as well as human. No mere human brain can comprehend the complexity of a DNA molecule. That task remains for computers, and artificial minds such as Artoo’s, that unobtrusive observer from the JEDI Institute.

Were Jedi Knights cloned from an artificial gene created by robots?

Lucas says that Star Wars is really the robots’ story. Did you think it was just a coincidence that the first R2 unit Uncle Owen bought blew it’s motivator at precisely the moment Artoo wanted to escape? After watching Vader fighting Luke, we know that the Force can be used to control inanimate objects at a distance. Is it possible that the Jedi Knights were cloned from an artificial gene created by robots, to give mankind the religious leaders it wanted?

Could OB-1 be job, a wealthy man who had everything taken away by Satan, as a test of his devotion to God? Or, everything taken away by the Emperor, as a test of his devotion to the higher ideals of the Jedi? Job wandered the desert for years, covered with boils and slowly going mad. The original script described Obi-wan as “an old desert rat”? When he saw that, Alec Guinness asked himself, “Do they expect me to play some wild, eccentric, half-dotty old man appearing out of a hole in the sand dunes?” Lucas went back and re-wrote Obi-wan as a more sympathetic character, but it was Guinness who really created the role.

In that perspective, I’ll merely note that O.B.E. stands for “Officer of the Order of the British Empire,” and Guinness has been knighted by Britain’s Queen.

While mixing the sounds for American Graffiti, Walter Murch asked, “George, get me R2, D2,” meaning the second reel and the second dialogue track. Lucas replied, “That’s a great name, Walter,” and wrote it down. So don’t bother looking for any deep significance in Artoo’s name.

When I think of Princess Leia Organa, it always reminds me of “getting leid.” Since Lucas wanted to make a strong moral statement, her last name probably came from “organic,” not “orgasm.” When defending himself against a lack of female roles, producer Kurtz points out that several were cut out or reduced because of time limitations. What was cut out from the beginning of Star Wars? A girl covered with sunscreen oil:

“The skin of the girl on his lap had been equally protected, and there was a great deal more of the protected area in view. Somehow even dried sweat looked good on her…. The girl on his lap stretched sensuously, her well-worn clothing tugging in various intriguing directions.”

Interesting, but not likely to draw any applause from the feminist movement.

What if Boba Fett was a woman?

I like to think that the original Boba Fett was a woman, hiding her face to enter a male-dominated profession. Boba could be a family nickname for a Roberta. Fett is the last survivor of a group of Commandos the Jedis Exterminated during the Clone Wars, so she could hold a grudge against all Jedis, including Skywalker. Removing her armor, she tricked Luke’s father into falling in love with her, and led him into Vader’s trap.

When Darth Vader was still in his apprenticeship, the Emperor offered him a chance to destroy those who had murdered his foster parents and sold him into slavery. Vader succumbed to the Dark Side of Revenge, and the Jedi Knights tried to stop him. When the Emperor sentenced all the Jedis to death, it touched off a conflict that became known as the Clone War.

Luke’s real father has taken Boba Fett’s identity

Boba Fett is Anakin - Fantastic Films Dec 1980

Vader betrayed and murdered the pilot Skywalker – or so everyone believed. Actually, Skywalker escaped Vader’s trap, leaving behind a charred body, and donned a disguise. For 20 years, he has moved among the Imperial troops, waiting for his chance. He has hidden Jedis and falsely reported their deaths to Vader, slowly working his way into the Dark Lord’s confidence.

Where is Skywalker? Obviously, he hides his face, and tries to fade into the background, but if you look closely, he’s there.

When Luke entered Cloud City, he saw Han being carried away. Suddenly a blaster bolt struck the wall in front of him, warning him of Vader’s trap. How could Boba Fett, the deadliest bounty hunter in the galaxy, miss such an easy target? More important, why did R2D2 bump Luke’s arm?

Yoda taught Boba Fett - Fantastic Films Dec 1980

Because Luke’s real father is hiding behind Boba Fett’s scarred battle armor. Only a fully trained Jedi Knight will defeat Vader. “There is another, and there has been for a long time.” Ben really thinks Skywalker is dead, but he didn’t know about Yoda’s “other” either.

Remember, I told you George Lucas never throws an idea away. At the end of Star Wars, we thought Han Solo was gone, but he reappeared at the last moment. At the end of Revenge of the Jedi, Skywalker will reappear to save Luke’s life, and after the battle’s over, sits down to tell Luke how it all happened. Only we’ll have to wait another three years to hear his story begin, in the next episode – actually the first episode – of the Star Wars saga.

More likely, we won’t get to see Skywalker in Jedi. No, Lucas will keep that secret until the end of Episode 3, when Skywalker fights his way out of Vader’s trap. Lucas has said the whole story won’t be revealed until then, and then everything will become obvious.

The Emperor is an evil clone alter ego of Obi-wan Kenobi

The Emperor is an evil clone alter ego of Obi-wan Kenobi - Fantastic Films Dec 1980

And what about the Emperor? Will he survive the next episode, and come back in the third trilogy set another 20 years in the future? For the record, although his voice in Empire was done by Clive Revill, the face belonged to Alec Guinness. My guess is that Guinness will portray the Emperor in Jedi as a clone of Obi-wan, making the Clone War a struggle between the evil Emperor and his good clone. Skywalker and Vader are just pawns in a much larger struggle.

Alec Guinness developed serious eye problems in his left eye about eight months before Empire started filming. Specialists warned him he could go blind if he didn’t stay out of bright lights. He stopped making films, except for a one-day appearance for his Empire duties, and requested that his name not appear in the ads to keep from disappointing the fans who might have come to see him.

Did you notice the Emperor’s funny eyes beneath that cloak? Guinness was wearing special sunglasses to shield him from the bright studio lights. I think he will portray the Emperor as a blind man, his eyes burned out to keep him from seeing “visions,” who turned to the Dark Side to avenge their loss. Remember how Paul Newman’s thumbs were broken in The Hustler? Same idea.

Luke will be tempted to use the Force to make Leia love him

What else will happen in Jedi? Luke will return to Dagobah to finish his training; at least, Lucas has said the Dagobah set will be rebuilt. Supposedly, more than a year will pass in Luke’s life before the film begins.

He’ll wake up from nightmares with terrible pain in his artificial hand. Leia will diagnose it as psychosomatic, explaining that Luke’s subconscious is trying to avoid another confrontation with Vader, because Luke now believes he will lose.

Luke can’t control his light sabre as well with the artificial hand, but he compensates by practicing with the Force’s power over other minds. When Leia resists Luke’s romantic advances, out of loyalty to her absent Han, Luke agonizes that he could make her love him by planting the suggestion in her mind, and she would never know. Thus, Luke discovers his own Dark Side.

Ben keeps worrying that Luke will be seduced by the Dark Side, but so far it hasn’t offered Luke anything he wants. This is the biggest flaw in Star Wars.

Luke’s only real dilemma has been whether to save his friends’ lives at the risk of losing the bigger fight against the Emperor, and Yoda negates that by revealing there’s another warrior to take Luke’s place.

What about Han Solo and Jabba the Hutt?

What about Han Solo, that classic case of a juvenile delinquent who grows up during the Big War? If he’s spent a year out of suspended animation without Jabba killing him, he’ll probably be locked into a slave collar and working the Spice Mines of Kessel. More likely, he’ll still be inside the carbonite, propped up in Jabba’s spaceship like a Picasso sculpture. When Lando and Chewie show up, their job won’t just be to rescue Han, it’ll be to con the pirate fleet into joining the Rebellion.

Meanwhile, back on Trantor (Remember how Luke described Tatooine as the farthest point from the bright center of the galaxy? That’s from Foundation, and the final battle will take place above the Emperor’s home planet, where Leia used to work as a Senator, at the bright center of the galaxy.), the Rebels don’t have enough ships to defeat the Imperial Fleet. Han arrives at the crucial moment, leading the pirates and all the Jedis that Boba Fett only pretended to kill, and shows us Kenner’s new line of space toys for that Christmas.

Afterward, Jabba points out that his ships won the battle, not the Rebels, and demands his share of the spoils. Han suggests a compromise. He will marry Leia and establish a dual monarchy, one from the pirates and one from the rebellion, until the Republic is restored throughout the galaxy. Jabba agrees, and then Han has to convince Leia – but true love conquers all.

A lot of the Territorial Governors have their own Fleets, and 20 years later Leia is still on the throne and Han is off fighting wars and Luke wonders if he’s fighting to restore the Republic or Leia’s birthright – but that’s another trilogy, the third.

Enough guessing. As George Lucas says, the movies are Gospel, and everything else is Gossip, but he certainly can’t expect us to wait three years without trying to unravel his clues. That’s the new motto for Star Wars fans: Three Years Is Too Long. And don’t forget the old motto: May The Force Be With You.

Amidst all the crazy there's some interesting ideas there. The fact that by 1980 some fans expect there will be prequels (even if they seem to expect them in the 1980s....) as well as the fact that this writer has Vader/Skywalker as a child slave are some accidentally accurate predictions I'm not sure how he got the impression that Alec Guinness portrayed the Emperor in Empire though. .

Nckdictator
Sep 8, 2006
Just..someone
A bit late but I've found Sins of a Solar Empire: Rebellion (with the Galactic Empire mod http://www.moddb.com/mods/sins-of-a-galactic-empire ) to be a perfect successor to Empire at War. No ground combat though.

Nckdictator
Sep 8, 2006
Just..someone
Shocking idea here: What if both continuity's can have good and bad things in them? :wth:

On an unrelated note, found this on Youtube.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTBe2gSDqm4

Nckdictator
Sep 8, 2006
Just..someone
https://www.theguardian.com/film/2017/jun/05/star-wars-biggest-collector-steve-sansweet-theft

quote:

The owner of the world’s largest Star Wars memorabilia collection has learned a hard lesson about trust. On Monday, he told his own saga in which $200,000 in collectibles were allegedly stolen from his California museum by a man he once considered a friend – and asked fellow movie fans for help in recovering them.

Steve Sansweet, the owner of Rancho Obi-Wan in Petaluma, California, said in a release to “Star Wars fans and collectors” that 100 items, which he referred to as “vintage US and foreign carded action figures, many of them rare and important pieces”, were taken from his collection between late 2015 through 2016, many of them resold.

He posted details of the crime on his website and asked fellow collectors and fans to email tips@ranchoobiwan.org with information.

The alleged culprit: Carl Edward Cunningham, 45 of Marietta, Georgia, a fellow Star Wars collector whom Sansweet has known for 20 years. Cunningham was arrested in March in Sonoma County, California, and charged with felony grand theft. He is free on $25,000 bail and a preliminary hearing is scheduled for 27 June.

It’s devastating,” Sansweet told the Guardian on Monday about when he learned a friend was charged with the thefts. “It’s a feeling of utter betrayal that someone could stoop to this level, an alleged friend and confidant, someone I had invited to my house and shared meals with.”

Sansweet said he met Cunningham in 1996, while the museum proprietor was head of fan relations at Lucasfilm.

Since 1977, Sansweet has accumulated at least 350,000 franchise artifacts, stored inside a 9,000-sq-ft warehouse he calls Rancho Obi-Wan, located on a idyllic country lane an hour north of San Francisco. He has also written 18 Star Wars books and is listed in the Guinness Book of World Records as owning the world’s largest collection of Star Wars paraphernalia.

The theft came to light in February when Philip Wise, a major Star Wars collector, posted news of the theft of a rare action figure from his Texas warehouse. Another dealer from southern California informed Wise that he had purchased the figure from Cunningham, a Georgia collector, Sansweet wrote in his release to movie fans Monday.

The California dealer, Zach Tann, told Wise that he had bought many other Star Wars collectibles from Cunningham and sent a detailed list. Wise concluded that the quantity and quality of the items suggested they had been taken from Sansweet’s sprawling Ranch Obi-Wan museum.

He contacted Sansweet who confirmed that the items were missing, including a rare three-pack of figures and a store display worth $20,000.

“When I saw the items missing, and considering the circumstances of the theft, my stomach physically sank,” Sansweet said. “I was queasy. I was dumbfounded,”

Sansweet said authorities were trying to retrieve items that had been resold and implored Star Wars fans to report anything they knew about the thefts or sightings of the items. He said two fans have contacted authorities to say they bought some of the items from a legitimate dealer and have offered to return them, even if they do not get their money back.

Actor Mark Hamill, who played the character Luke Skywalker in the film franchise, tweeted Monday about the theft, saying: “Maybe publish a list of stolen items to protect potential victims from purchasing ‘hot’ merchandise.”

Sansweet said the thefts ran contrary to the collegial spirit of Star Wars fans.

“We’ve had thousands of visitors since we became a nonprofit museum in 2011,” he said. “And never once to our knowledge have we had a single item stolen.”

Sansweet said the museum had already upgraded security, but he refused to say that his trust in friendship had been ruined. “The message here is not to start mistrusting your friends,” he said. “Or you’d be the most miserable person in the world.”

Laughing at the guy who thinks it's worth going to jail over action figures.

Nckdictator
Sep 8, 2006
Just..someone
Was rereading some of the older Brian Daley books and I forgot how much fun they were.

quote:

Chewbacca was in the portion of the spa reserved for its more hirsute clientele. Following the light-strip directory system helpfully placed along the floors, Han found his friend's treatment room. Checking the room's monitoring screen, he saw the Wookiee floating in a zero-gee field, arms and legs splayed. He was near the end of his session; every individual hair had been given a light mutual-repulsion charge to separate it while dirt, particulate matter, and old oils were removed. Now new oils and conditioners were being gently applied. Chewbacca wore a toothy grin, luxuriating in the treatment as he floated like a tremendous stuffed toy, his billowing pelt making him seem twice his normal girth.

Turning from the screen, Han noticed two very appealing young human females who were also waiting. One, a tall blond in an expensive jumpsuit, spoke into the ear of her companion, a shorter girl with ringlets of brown hair. The second girl wore a sportier outfit of shorts and singlet; she eyed Han speculatively. "Are you here to meet Captain Chewbacca, sir?"

Mystified, Han repeated, "Captain ..."

"Chewbacca. We saw him walking across campus and we had to stop him and talk. We're both taking courses in nonhuman ethnology, and we couldn't pass up the chance. We've studied the Wookiee language tapes a little, so we understood a bit. Captain Chewbacca told us his copilot would be coming by to meet him. He invited us to go with you on a groundcoach ride."

Han smiled in spite of himself. "Fine with me. I'm Captain Chewbacca's first mate, Han Solo."

He had just established that the brunette's name was Viurre and her blond girlfriend's Kiili when Chewbacca emerged from the treatment room. The Wookiee, settling his admiral's hat on his head at a rakish angle, wore a beatific grin; his shaggy coat, now glistening and lustrous, floated lightly on stray air currents.

Han sketched a sarcastic salute. "Captain Chewbacca, sir, I've got the whole crew standing by for orders."

The Wookiee wuffed in confusion, then, remembering his assumed role, rumbled a vague reply that none of them understood. The girls promptly forgot Han and closed in on the Wookiee, complimenting him on his appearance. "I believe you ordered a groundcoach, Skipper?" hinted Han.

His partner awooed confirmation, and they all set off. "What have you found to be the essential differences in the life-experience on Wookiee worlds?" Viurre asked Han earnestly.

"The tables are higher off the floor," the pilot replied without expression.

When they arrived at the carport, Han goggled and shouted, "Tell me this is the wrong slip!" Kiili and Viurre "oohed" in delight, while Chewbacca beamed fondly at the vehicle he had selected.

It was over eight meters long, wide and low to the ground. The groundcoach's sides, rear deck, and hood were paneled in dazzling scarlet greel wood that had been lacquered and polished and lacquered over and over until its metallic gleam seemed to go on forever through the fine grain. The coach's trim, bumpers, door hinges, latches, and handles were of silver alloy. It boasted an outlandish crystal hood ornament-frolicking nymphs in a swirl of gauzy, windblown veil-dresses.

The driver's seat was open to the weather, but just behind it and a luggage well was an enclosed passenger cab, also paneled in greel wood, complete with elaborate, hanging road lamps, tasseled bunting, and running boards and handrails on either side for footmen. Astern the cab was another luggage well between a pair of ludicrous meter-high tail fins bejeweled with all manner of signaling and warning lights. From the coach's primary and secondary antenna whips fluttered two pennants, several streamers, and the furry tail of some small, luckless animal.

"Too austere," Han muttered sarcastically, but he couldn't resist popping the coach's hood. A massive, fiendishly complicated engine squatted there. But Chewbacca quickly silenced Han's denunciations and amazed the two girls by throwing open the cover of the midship luggage well. It contained, due to his thoughtful arrangement, a heroic picnic lunch.

...

"Captain Chewbacca and I have to go track down a pal," he told Kiili and Viurre brusquely. Then to himself he added, I knew this would happen; I never should have told Chewie. So why did I?

Kiili, twirling blond hair around one finger, smiled. "First Mate Solo, what should we talk to the captain about?"

"Anything. He just likes to listen to people talk." Han gunned the engine and expertly pulled the powerful coach out of its parking slip. "Tell him how he's ruining a great afternoon," Han encouraged her, then smiled. "Or sing some off-color ditties, if you know any."

Kiili eyed the contented Wookiee uncertainly. "He likes those?"

Han smiled engagingly. "No. I do."

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Nckdictator
Sep 8, 2006
Just..someone


Why is Jaina Solo an anime and why is it selling for 200$?

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