Paul MaudDib posted:

The thinkpad maintenance motto: Don't forget to remind your loved ones that if the fans are going all top gun it's time to schedule a geek squad appointment. Also, if the adapter shocks you, please contact an authorized family member immediately for repair/replacement. Things like keyboards and bricks can be replaced.

AMD/TSMC have managed to take a node on Intel, and theirs is evidently still a bit better. The mobile performance is pretty loving fantastic. I hope they can get some gemini lake type SKUs out. 7nm is a gamechanger for mobile.

Gimmie dat soldered down NUC-form-factor board that can be passively cooled though. Like the Akasa Galactico or poo poo. Giant high-performance passive poo poo. But AMD

Twerk from Home posted:

This is super cool. What case? Stock clocks, underclocked, or overclocked?

I’d love to do that but reviews of recent Intel stuff shows pretty dang high wattage under load.

wet_goods posted:

https://hdplex.com/hdplex-h5-fanless-computer-case.html

This is the PC build I went with. I run everything at stock speeds, no throttle. It works pretty well but doesn't quite pull off 4k at really high frame rates, it depends on the game, but to me it's worth it, I had wanted to build a fanless pc for a really long time and it is so worth it.

CPU
Core i7 8700K
GPU EVGA GTX1060 6GB
MB Asus ROG Strix Z390-I Gaming WIFI
RAM CORSAIR Vengeance LPX 32GB (2 x 16GB) 288-Pin DDR4 SDRAM DDR4 2666 (PC4 21300) Memory Kit Model CMK32GX4M2A2666C16
Storage SAMSUNG 970 EVO M.2 2280 1TB PCIe Gen3. X4, NVMe 1.3 64L V-NAND 3-bit MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD) MZ-V7E1T0BW
PSU Seasonic Flagship PRIME 600 Titanium Fanless SSR-600TL 600W 80+ Titanium Full Mo

Case HDPLEX 2nd gen H5 with riser and GPU cooler

I took a picture when I turned it on the first time because I thought it could be the last time I ever did, I had a fire extinguisher behind me. The case had a few quirks with alignment issues, most notably the power supply which I had to make a custom bracket for. HD Plex offers a PSU but it's like 400W. The Seasonic that I found was the biggest PSU that I could find without a fan.

http://imgur.com/a/SRvqHM2

Cygni posted:

oh hell yes someone finally built in one of those. that has been a dream of mine for like 20 years, ever since living in a dorm room with an insanely loud ~gaming rig~ of the era.

im surprised you got that (rad) seasonic PSU in there, i didn't think they supported ATX supplies.

SwissArmyDruid posted:

Whatever the case, I've always been of the opinion that C-level executives are not interchangable. Finance stays in their lane, otherwise they just cut costs they don't understand. Marketing stays in their lane, or everything becomes spin. Unless the executive has spent any time actually making the thing that the company's known for, they're doomed to fail.

And as far as I know, Bob Swan has never NOT been a finance lizard.

wet_goods posted:

The bad MGMT is at the top of the manufacturing org and a few tiers of awful vps there, not the c-level. The biggest sin out of the c level people is that they didn't fire about three tiers of managers in the manufacturing org when 10 failed long before Bob was CEO. Bob should should 100% axe people at the top of manufacturing now that 7nm is going to be a zoo because that's on him.

One more thing, it's the c level and sales people that have kept things growing at actually a really good rate for the past few years to cover for manufacturing gently caress ups.

Paul MaudDib posted:

It’s pretty clear Intel needs to clean house. I don’t know enough to say whether these are the responsible guys but Intel can’t just let things keep slipping. They’ve slipped four years in four years on 10nm and now it’s happening again on 7nm.

This is the one slip they can afford, and additional slips are all but assured if they massively clean house. They can maybe pull off one more 6 month slip if they stretch it, but they are already way behind AMD (which isn’t even using leading nodes at TSMC).

Not even sure how you fix this mess since it’s basically a problem of production costs and it’s baked into the process they’ve chosen and the designs they’ve Implemented in those processes. Physics don’t care that someone got fired. I guess the simple answer is just ear the costs even and run the process even if the margins aren’t what you like, and continue doing R&D to try and bring yields up, but that depends on how bad things are.

Comedy option, buy NVIDIA, fire Raja, make Huang the CEO of the merged company. They gotta find someone with engineer-CEO chops like Su or Huang, or at least someone like Keller who understands the engineering and tells it like it is. Maybe there’s some process guy they can acquire from TSMC or GF or Samsung or something. Then try to hire back as many of the people you drove away over the last 10 years as you can (good luck).

Nomyth posted:

While being careful not to cut out exceptions to the rule? Total headchopping isn't really as great of an idea as it seems on paper, especially if documentation and other efforts to make such a transition happen result in a brain drain of what good knowledge there is left.

edit: if you go too far in removing a culture, you can end up with brain drain of administrative know-how at the very least (think: not just brain drain, but connections to SMEs on various subjects or at least access to those SMEs) and general conditions bad enough to instill a new culture that's just as bad

Paul MaudDib posted:

this NUC case from HDPlex is wild, full passive and they use a M.2 to PCIe riser to give you a 1 slot expansion slot.

https://hdplex.com/hdplex-fanless-nuc-kit.html

Not sure what you'd put in 1 slot that's slim and puts out little enough power that it doesn't melt in a passive case, but that's a cool design. I'd love to see a version of this for the Asus PN50.

VorpalFish posted:

The 1660 through 1660ti are all in that power envelope and I'd be shocked if those didn't get ampere based replacements some time in the next year.

SourKraut posted:

I would still bet on TSMC hitting 3nm well before Intel gets their 7nm node fixed.


Why are you skeptical though, when the architecture itself is wider, capable of more superior and aggressive branch prediction, has a huge ROB, etc.? They will likely be able to crank the clock speed to some extent given the available active cooling systems available, and again, can also crank core counts in addition to clock speed.

PCjr sidecar posted:

WhyteRyce posted:

Unfortunately it seems like it's riling up online hardware posters looking for any excuse to get offended more than employees in the company.

WhyteRyce posted:

There are a lot of smart people still there. A lot. But a lot of the rot that helped contribute to the giant gently caress ups are still there and generally aren’t personally offended by stuff like this

WhyteRyce posted:

It's a tricky thing because brain drain did happen the last time they did mass firings. Yeah some people who should have been kicked out years ago got let go, but so did some actual good people because of politics. Other good people just decided to leave because they got mad friends got screwed or just didn't want to hang around in a depressing environment. Any mass firing is going to be tricky because all the rot is going to cover their own rear end and look out for their buddies. Pat was around long enough I hope he knows how to spot it or who the problematic actors are.

Kazinsal posted:

IIRC Pat was the CTO for basically the entire era in which Intel did more than just micro-iterating on Sandy Bridge for a decade.

Beef posted:

Speaking of companies poaching Intel engineers:

https://www.bizjournals.com/portland/news/2020/12/31/microsoft-corp-lease-85-000-square-feet-hillsboro.html

Threadkiller Dog posted:

Been toying with the idea of turning my 9900k into a nuc or htpc whenever i retire it. Its on an ITX board already so with some heavy allcore downclocking and a cute litte case i dream it will be all shades of possible. The igpu should be good enough.

Just have to find an actual use case for it first

DrDork posted:

Apple already have first-dibs on however much of 5nm as they wanted. So they're not snaking anything from them. AMD....maybe, but that presumes AMD is ready to go with a 5nm design already.

To me it seems like the lowest-cost option to test-drive outsourcing as a concept. If it works, great, maybe for round two they apply it to some tiers where it'll actually make sense. If it doesn't work, well they didn't lose too much profit off it.

Or, as has been said, it could just be a misunderstanding and it's not really cheap-o desktop i3s that are getting talked about in the first place.

WhyteRyce posted:

This is odd I see nothing about drones or game shows or TAM in this news release did Intel hire the right guy?

Indiana_Krom posted:

We could get in to lots of technical reasons Intel 10nm has been a dumpster fire, but the rough of it is: They can't make chips as quickly as they would like, way too many of the ones they do make end up being defective, and even the good ones don't perform well.

Why it is taking 5 years is for multiple reasons from typical corporate mismanagement to the actual goals being too ambitious for the equipment they are trying to use. Also high volume manufacturing of stuff that small is just inherently incredibly difficult and risky.

What helped TSMC succeed with 7nm where Intel failed is TSMC is using EUV "extreme ultraviolet" lithography for critical layers where Intel is trying to do it only with DUV "deep ultraviolet" lithography. Basically if the ultraviolet you use is a marker, Intel is trying to use a 193nm wide marker tip to draw a 10nm wide line where TSMC is using a 13.5nm wide marker instead. Everyone was using 193nm down to about 12-14nm, there are a lot of tricks and workarounds to make it work down to those sizes, but the difficulty goes up exponentially as the size decreases and TSMC/samsung/etc simply waited till the machines that work with 13.5nm became available before they attempted anything smaller.

PCjr sidecar posted:

Yes; that matches what I’ve seen. EUV get cited a lot, but there were many other design choices that increased risk. They were late and underdelivered on 14 and over promised on 10, and then continually lied about the problems they had.

Bad executive culture.

mobby_6kl posted:

Seems like a good use of AI/ML, better than 99% of poo poo we see. It must introducd a huge delay though since it needs to work on whole words, wonder how they works.

SwissArmyDruid posted:

I have a running theory for tech companies that once you stop putting the executive part of the company in the Executive office, (in the case of Intel, the example would be "engineers") that company is no longer concerned with making poo poo anymore.

Like, at some point, companies stop being about doing the thing, and about just amassing more money, and put a Finance ghoul in the CEO seat, where they most certainly should never be, because they almost invariably start cutting costs to make the balance sheet look better, the detriment of doing the thing.

Intel was like, one of my last holdouts for the theory, considering, I think, before Swan, every other Intel CEO was an engineer that came up through the ranks through the COO seat.

I dunno. I haven't revisited the theory in several years, I probably need to scrap it and come up with a new hypothesis for it, or wait and give Gelsinger more time.

canyoneer posted:

There have also been several engineers who made it to senior management who were terrible at strategy (notably Brian Krzanich and Sohail Ahmed)

Zil posted:

The one time when a staff wide pizza party might have been more appropriate.

Methylethylaldehyde posted:

It's not a layoff, it's a corporate people movement and lateral promotion to customer!

WhyteRyce posted:

lol I guess in Pats open forum in Folsom he described the compensation reduction as a first world problem and said everyone should sacrifice a little more to be a part of the mission and vision

Also if you don’t want to be there because of compensation he doesn’t want you there either

Man didn’t think Pat would speed run being a bigger rear end in a top hat than BK but zero dollar kudos to him

canyoneer posted:

10 years here too. It's the only place I've worked since graduation.
I got notified that I was being included in the action 2 weeks before the pay cut announcement. I was pretty bummed about it, because I like the people I worked with and the stuff I was working on. And the whole job searching thing is at best an annoying chore, and it can be much worse than that.
This week I've had a change of perspective. I think they may have done me a favor, because I stay on payroll for a while longer and then get a decent severance. Coming out way ahead compared to someone who remains who now wants to do something externally because they're pissed about the pay cut and feeling less optimistic in the company as a whole.

My father in law worked as an EE for IBM his whole career, and then got laid off 6 months before he was eligible for retirement with the (legacy) cushy pension. He ended up somewhere else real quick and has been really happy there, but it shook him badly when it happened. When he tells people he spent nearly 30 years working at IBM, people say "Oh wow, I remember when they were big. Are they still even around?" I wonder if in a few years telling people I spent a decade in my early career at Intel will get the same reaction.

mmkay posted:

What's a lot dispo and why is it weird?

hobbesmaster posted:

5G and really wireless in general is a contest to coin terms and it’s seems to sillier the better.

5G fog computing has to be close to the top though.

busfahrer posted:

I recently got a new 13700K build and it's a little annoying that the CPU fan (Noctua NH-D15) gets loud very quickly even when the CPU is under load for even a little bit, like loading an application for 5 seconds, when the temperature goes up to 60C (140F) or something.

Knowing nothing about these things, I found out that there's a tool that came with my Asus mobo that lets me set the fan curve manually, which helps a lot.

With that in mind: would it be harmful for the CPU to run at, say, 75C (167F) for long periods when it's T_Junction is 100C (212F)?

WhyteRyce posted:

Pat made people eat a paycut so they wouldn’t have to fire people

Rexxed posted:

I'm gonna get in on this solidgm pro bandwagon. We'll all go down together.

mmkay posted:

A friend managed to get the QPB+ award (a 50% boost IIRC compared to regular Quarterly bonus), just as the bonuses went to poo poo. Lol at the extra 0.2 days of pay for exemplar work.