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KakerMix
Apr 8, 2004

8.2 M.P.G.
:byetankie:

bbcisdabomb posted:

gently caress ergonomic keyboards. Dell QuietKey is what the smart people use.

And to everyone complaining about gaming on a Core2duo: I was on an Athlon x2 until a few months ago. That poo poo is bad. My new i5 is so much better.

An I5, a SSD, and a 6870 are everything a growing boy needs. Just a hair over $1000 and you can build a computer that is SO GOOD you'll be more smug than Duck Feet thought he was when he posted that gimmick keyboard.
You can spend much, MUCH less and still smash any game out today (sans Metro 2033) without a blink. Plus, after you are done doing that type up a scathing message here on SA, jerk off to some porn and pay your electric bill all without getting up!
Truly, the PC is the greatest of all of man's creature comforts.

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KakerMix
Apr 8, 2004

8.2 M.P.G.
:byetankie:

Methos posted:

I think anyone considering a $1000 dollar PC purchase should see if $1200 is possible. $1200 can get you into a Core i7,

This 100% is pointless for a gaming computer. A Quad-core is all you need, an i7 is just an i5 with hyper-threading, which happens to be useless*. Heck, some people even will say that an i5 is over-kill. It would make much more sense from a usability point of view to shelve the i7 in favor of an i5 right now, and put that money you would spend into an SSD. SSDs provide performance you can actually feel.

Seriously, the build thread in SHSC answers all of these questions.

*For games

EDIT
And you are recommending an Intel motherboard? They are great boards, sure, but AFAIK you don't get jack poo poo for overclocking, one of the other joys of desktop computing.

KakerMix fucked around with this message at 07:47 on Dec 19, 2010

KakerMix
Apr 8, 2004

8.2 M.P.G.
:byetankie:

bbcisdabomb posted:

I do need a better video card. I've always used Nvidia, is there a real reason to use ATI over Nvidia?

No. Go with what runs the best at the best prices. Right now Intel is best for CPUs, ATI and Nvidia have different parts of the market covered for graphics cards.

Methos posted:

I think your right, it isn't neccessary, but it is not pointless. The i7 is faster, even when hyper threading isn't considered. Then there is the x58 chipset, which is also faster than the p55 chipset, especially in dual video card configs (p55 can only do x8/x8). Also triple channel memory vs dual. But if the question was save a 100-150 bucks and get an i5 and SSD, then you would have to ponder a bit. But I have an SSD, and it hasn't really affected my gaming, but only because 120gig isn't enough for my steam install, so its on normal drives anyhow. Windows boots fast though. I dunno. You can always add the SSD, but P55 puts you in a corner, upgrade wise. And 40gig is hardly enough for win7, let alone games. 150 bucks isn't a very big SSD budget.

I'd like to mention I actually own/have used all these different components, so I speak from some experience.

Oh, when I said X58 I meant any motherboard with an X58 chipset, which is on every S1366 motherboard, from every manufacturer. Sorry if I wasn't clear, I wasn't recommending an Intel board.

And I'll check that thread out, thanks.

I don't mean to jump down your throat or anything. The reason I (and a lot of other people) say i7's are pointless is because a lot of the big-name games are cross-platform, meaning they are on Xboxes and PS3's as well as PCs. Because of this, CPU performance required from games right now is kind of at a standstill. While an i7 may be faster, it won't affect performance of any games simply because the i5 on its own is more than enough, without the incredible price premium of both the i7 chip itself and the motherboard to run it.
Dual Channel and Triple Channel makes no difference, again, in actual usable performance. The numbers may be higher but you won't notice the difference between playing, say, the latest Call of Duty on an i5 system with 4 GBs of dual-channel memory or playing it in an i7 machine with 6 GBs of triple channel ram as long as you have the same graphics card on both machines.
As far as dual-graphics cards (aka SLI or Crossfire) is almost always ridiculous overkill, unless you've got a massive, massive monitor to give you the need to have that much pixel-pushing power and you need to run Metro 2033 at max everything.

Basically, the parts you are talking about are 'faster' but not in a sense you will actually notice outside a benchmark. $1000, right now, should be the upper limit someone needs to spend to get a computer that is amazing. Any amount over that and you are getting in some serious diminishing returns territory.

If you can't 'feel' how much snappier your computer is with your SSD then I don't know what to tell you. 20 second boot times are nice, sure, but Windows updates installing in seconds rather than minutes? Context menus flashing up instantly? No lag time when flying through your operating system? Seriously, this SSD is the single best upgrade I've had that I've really felt. Games on it are nice too, but I never have my entire Steam catalog installed at once, and I came from a 150 GB raptor drive so I am used to the smaller spaces.

KakerMix
Apr 8, 2004

8.2 M.P.G.
:byetankie:

bear is driving! posted:

Great thread OP. I've been building my own gaming PC's for years now (I hate the term "rig" and try not to use it).

Great advice all around. Has anyone built a gaming PC with SSD's yet? My PC is due for some minor upgrades and I need some input on SSD's and a new video card.

I'm still using my Nvidia GTX280 and I want to upgrade but I'm not sure what's what in the new GTX series. I also want to go with SSD's, and I'm not sure how well a RAID 0 would work with a couple of mid sized drives.


I just picked up a single 120 GB OCZ Agility 2 SSD, and I can really tell. I do have Steam installed to it, and since MTF is now at around 5 years at 100% usage 24/7 I am not concerned with wear on it. I just swap whatever games I happen to be playing and don't bother to try to keep my entire catalog installed. Like I already said, the feel of the machine is very different. You never wait for any menu to open or close, there is no grinding, no hanging when flying around your OS, it's pretty incredible. That being said....
RAID 0 AFAIK its actually usable with SSDs for a speed increase(much more so than typical HDDs) but still not at all worth it. Your data is twice as likely to fail (loose one drive, whoops! There goes your data!) and buying 2 SSDs? That's incredibly expensive. Since the speed jump is so massive with just using a single SSD over a HDD anyway, I would recommend to you to simply buy the largest capacity INTEL SSD or Sandforce controller SSD you can afford. They get really pricey over 120 gb.

exquisite tea posted:

While I know more than the average dope about computers, I've never assembled a PC myself and often get confused reading the performance specs of graphics cards. That being said, should I start thinking about assembling my set now, or is there some highly anticipated card being released within the next six months that will become the de facto standard?

EFB by averox

If you are jonesing for a new card right now you should go ahead and make your move. The only 'major' thing on its way is Intel's Sandy Bridge CPU line hitting in a few months, but since computer tech is as it is now, any time is a good time to buy. I will say I am extremely happy with my ATI 6870.

KakerMix
Apr 8, 2004

8.2 M.P.G.
:byetankie:

Funso Banjo posted:

No-one answered this, and I am wondering the same thing.

Someone clue us in, why is this thing actually something someone would want?

It's a mechanical clicky keyboard, ala IBM Model M underneath it's not-identified keys. The hardware itself is supposed to be awesome, but the smug-factor of not labeling the keys is dumb as hell.

I think the point is "Yeah I got a Model M keyboard :smug: and I am so awesome I don't even need to look at my keyboard ever" :smug:

I'd never pay over $30 dollars for a keyboard but hey! At least a keyboard is something you can feel instead of a number on a benchmark somewhere.

KakerMix
Apr 8, 2004

8.2 M.P.G.
:byetankie:

darkhand posted:

From my experience, if you have a spare PCI-Express port on your motherboard you should be able to do pop one in easily.
Keep in mind:
You need enough powersupply outlets and output to support it, a lot of cards now adays need some kind of connector to them from the powersupply. Usually a standard "molex" connector.

You need to be able to change the way your old card (probably integrated) is handled. You can usually turn it off in the BIOS and your new card should now work.

Nah, these days you just slap in your card and it will auto-boot from that new video device, BIOS messing about isn't needed anymore.
And I haven't seen a card require a molex power connector in a good long while (since my 9800 Pro), molex connectors themselves are getting rare, as everything has jumped over to SATA.

Graphics cards will require a PCI-Express plug or 2.




Seriously, we've already got the best resource for actual purchasing and assembly here on SA in SHSC. It really is the best thread for purchasing advice I have ever seen.

Tuxedo Catfish posted:

A question for the benefit of a friend of mine:

What's a good mainland European equivalent to Newegg?

The SHSC thread recommends two places: SCAN Computers and Aria.

KakerMix fucked around with this message at 04:41 on Dec 20, 2010

KakerMix
Apr 8, 2004

8.2 M.P.G.
:byetankie:
Yes, Windows 7 x64 is FANTASTIC and will easily be around like XP is right now in 10 years. As has already been said, it's just really nice. Windows 7 also feels new, as in made recently, instead of 10 years ago like XP.

I can't go back to XP either.

As for graphics cards, I went from a 9800 Pro (ATI) to an 8800 GTS (NVIDIA) back to HD 6870 (ATI) and have never had issues with drivers at all, even a little bit. Guess I am just lucky?

KakerMix
Apr 8, 2004

8.2 M.P.G.
:byetankie:

Devil Wears Wings posted:

RPS posted their most anticipated PC games of 2011 list earlier today. Gonna be a good year. :)

Planetside NEXT?

Let me tell you, Planetside Beta was among the best moments I have ever had gaming. If they make it like that, well, it will be grand.

KakerMix
Apr 8, 2004

8.2 M.P.G.
:byetankie:

Magnificent Quiver posted:

They couldn't even make Planetside like Planetside Beta. Just ignore everything about it until a few months after release and maybe if it turns out good you'll be pleasantly surprised.

No, the secret is to be in the BETA

KakerMix
Apr 8, 2004

8.2 M.P.G.
:byetankie:

GreenBuckanneer posted:

So apparently FEAR3 is locked to 30fps, according to the internet.

:sigh:

Is there a reason they do this? On PC? What is the point?

KakerMix
Apr 8, 2004

8.2 M.P.G.
:byetankie:
I stared my PC gaming career with an AMD Athlon XP and an ATI Radeon 9800 Pro. Then, I went to an Intel q6600 and a Nvidia 8800 GTS. Now, I'm on a just-before-sandy bridge Intel I5 with an ATI 6870.

I've been amazed with every system I've built and completely satisfied with them, have never had any odd driver issues in any games (even launch Brink was a-ok for me and my ATI) so I guess my anecdotes are always going to cancel out jerks on the internet!

KakerMix
Apr 8, 2004

8.2 M.P.G.
:byetankie:

A Fancy 400 lbs posted:

Counter-counter-point: The vehicles in GTA4 control like poo poo no matter what input method you use.

counter-counter-counter-point: The vehicle control in GTA4 was awesome and you must have used a dumb controller because the 360 pad is awesome+++ for vehicles.

GTA4's handling wasn't realistic enough so I always play with the realistic handling mod anyway. :colbert:

I will never understand the hate that GTA4 gets.



(besides "HAY CAUZIN")

KakerMix
Apr 8, 2004

8.2 M.P.G.
:byetankie:

macnbc posted:

Hoping Microsoft Valve gets their poo poo together for Win9 SteamOS

:getin:

KakerMix
Apr 8, 2004

8.2 M.P.G.
:byetankie:

Guillermus posted:

Thank you. Time to wait until they release drivers for it. Can't wait to get my hands on the best controller in the market :fap:

I dunno if you have a bias for where the sticks are, but the PS4 controller is *really* nice, and is currently nicely supported: http://forums.pcsx2.net/Thread-DS4-To-XInput-Wrapper

You're also the first person I've seen that says the Xbone controller is better than the 360 one.

KakerMix
Apr 8, 2004

8.2 M.P.G.
:byetankie:

Sebastian Flyte posted:

Well, in theory, maybe. In practice, just from my personal experience with my hardware: Interference from other hardware is not something I've noticed to be any issue at all with my internal sound card. I can have my ear cans on, with the volume turned to 11 while no Hair Metal is playing - just silence turned to max volume - and the hard drive and the CPU are working on encoding some video file while the fans are spinning a bit harder to cool everything down, and there is absolutely no static interference I can notice.

Anything with audio is going to go into audiophile territory because it's all so subjective, but for ~me~ DACs are where it's at. I like to have a 'neutral' place to play music from that isn't colored by software or anything, maybe an EQ tweek if I'm feeling sassy. Otherwise onboard is totally fine, and sound cards are 100% useless marketed garbage.

Really though, onboard (from the back of the motherboard if possible, not front ports) sound, a pair of comfortable headphones and you'll be good.

Yar The Pirate posted:

So I'm all set to grab a pair of Sennheiser 360's for my PC. My question is if buying a 3.5mm male to female extension for the microphone 3.5mm would cause problems for the microphone input such as fuzziness or a decrease in quality.

As long as it's not full of steel wool and sand you should be golden. It also depends on where this extension is going to run but you won't know that till you get it up and running. If you don't notice a degrade then there isn't a degrade. :)

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KakerMix
Apr 8, 2004

8.2 M.P.G.
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Didn't the cliffyb guy have money invested in Oculus Rift?

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