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manyak
Jan 26, 2006

Gomi Pile posted:

i don't have access to my online journals right now but the literature is pretty split on the use of mouthguards to help prevent concussions when wrestling.

"grappling" isnt the same as wrestling. people get hurt in wrestling, grappling is mostly about climbing between dudes legs and going to town

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manyak
Jan 26, 2006

Mardragon posted:

And after the break here on MMA Live, we'll talk with renowned scholar Forrest Griffin about the President's new economic plan. And later, Professor Kimbo Slice will be in studio to discuss some of the newest developments from the Large Hadron Collider.

Replace the fighters with "Information Technology Specialist" or "Unemployed Graphic Designer" and it's the same, pretty much everyone is stupid, not just fighters

If you are a big enough fan of Gay Skinhead Fighting that you post and read about it frequently on the internet, you are probably approximately as dumb as the people who actually make money for being good at it

manyak
Jan 26, 2006
I did a grappling competition where it was No Neck Cranks allowed , to the point where a guy got disqualified for holding the back of the other guy's head to lock in a triangle. My opponent instinctively went for a guilltine at one point and I tapped out really quickly on purpose so he would lose by DQ. The moral is, it's good to win

manyak
Jan 26, 2006

Alastor_the_Stylish posted:

I won a Judo match by Getting Slammed From Guard. Easiest W ever.

Its good to pay a fee, and drive really far to a tournament, and sit there on the bleachers for like 6 hours eating a Banana until they call out your match, and then you win in one second and that's the whole tournament.

manyak
Jan 26, 2006
Haha why are you guys actually engaging him in this argument? He does this stupid recursive pedantry all the time and its just an excuse to talk about the badass low-percentage wrestling moves he learned, which ARENT low percentage when HE does them :smug:

manyak
Jan 26, 2006

Xguard86 posted:

I would say the number of finishes in high level grappling represents a pretty good pool of data. you see more finishes there from certain moves than others.

If everything was equally high percentage, I think you'd see a more even spread, especially if the more novel submissions worked equally well since they would have surprise working in their favor.

Everyone intuitively understands this already, its just Cortex bomb being a jerkoff

manyak
Jan 26, 2006
The very concept of things being likely is flawed. Thank you for the enlightening expose on the Classical Theory of Probability

manyak
Jan 26, 2006

Who Gotch Ya posted:

You want to talk numbers, show me the numbers. You don't have numbers, don't talk about numbers.

The same goes for you, and you're the only one who always gets worked up about things being innocuously deemed 'high percentage moves'. When you have some Hard Scientific Data proving somehow that the Rings of Saturn or whatever gay moves you like are as high percentage as an RNC then we can have this discussion

manyak
Jan 26, 2006

nemoulette posted:

Something being high percentage can reasonably only be measured in relation to the number of attempts of the same move. Something can subjectively be more or less complicated, but as cortx pointed out, that is wholly dependent on the executioner.

Sometimes people don't attempt certain moves often, because they're less likely to work :ssh:

manyak
Jan 26, 2006
I'll try to make it easier to understand for the pedantic aspergers crew:

When your coach says "Hey Cortxbomb. Stop dicking around with that gay flying omoplata poo poo and learn how to do a proper RNC for god's sake. It's a much higher percentage move" he is right. The amount of times you'll find yourself in a position to perform a RNC is far greater than the amount of opportunities youll have to try a flying omoplata, no matter how perfect your technique is. This is why you see tons of RNC finishes in competition and not very many flying omoplatas. No matter how much the game 'evolves', itll never turn into duelling flying omoplatas. Perfecting your RNC is a better way to spend your time than attempting to perfect some stupid submission that you'll rarely if ever be in a position to actually pull off

Your "anything done with perfect skill is 100% effective" shtick is what every lovely TMA guy says to defend their art. Why don't you go train strip mall aikido since the cool moves they do are all equally high percentage as an armbar, as long as you can do it with perfection?

Go ask any blackbelt if a RNC is a higher percentage move than a flying headscissors, and theyll say yes and probably laugh at you for asking such a moronic question because they're using common sense and not being pedantic nerds about the definition of probability

manyak
Jan 26, 2006

Who Gotch Ya posted:

Go ask a blackbelt if it's ok to rape girls and apparently a bunch of them will tell you it's ok. Black belts aren't right about everything.

Yeah, but they tend to be right about grappling, which is the point -- around brown belt level most people are cured of the "Looking up low percentage moves on Youtube and practicing them in my apartment to impress my nerd friends" affliction that seems to exclusively affect blue belt "Powder" stunt doubles

manyak
Jan 26, 2006

Ridleys Revenge posted:

From reading these definitions it seems like a lot of people associate "high percentage" with "easy." This makes sense too (speaking as a technical relativist), because if a technique is easy to learn/conceptualize/incorporate into one's gameplan, it'll be used often by a wide variety of people, and we'll see more submissions from it than other more esoteric subs because people don't know the weirder techniques as well and don't use them as often.

However, I want to dispute the opinion that "easy" is "better." I think in this environment where grapplers tend to burn bright and short (if you're past 30 you'd better have a great tournament record or no one's gonna give a @%#@ what you can do) we like "easy" moves because we can learn them fast. But it's important to remember that there are some things that just can't be learned quickly- we see in judo that the real technical mindset doesn't come about until someone's about a decade into the art, which usually puts them past their tournament 'prime.'

Agreed, this is why its dishonorable for people to learn so-called "easy" or "effective" moves such as a double leg and RNC when they could be studying chi manipulation and be pressure pointing people to death within 50 years of practice

manyak
Jan 26, 2006

dokomoy posted:

I don't necessarily agree with this.I think berimbolo and Reverse De La Riva to the back are high percentage. Neither of those techniques are "basic" and frankly they aren't super easy, but they work consistently at the highest levels for guys of all sizes.

Exactly, and the reverse is true that "easy" things like a straight up rape choke aren't high percentage despite being extremely easy to "perfect", because they just aren't effective against a resisting opponent

You could replace the term "high percentage" with "commonly completed" like Big Mobn suggests above, except every normal person already intuitively knows what is meant by high percentage and it wouldnt clarify anything for anyone other than nerds who like bicker about dumb crap

manyak
Jan 26, 2006

nemoulette posted:

I don't want to continue this dumb argument, but this is really the krux of the issue. I'm not of the opinion (and who says that you're correct anyway?) that this is precisely what "high percentage" refers to. The whole reason why I'm annoyed at the people calling cortx (and me by extension) sperglords is because "high percentage" is an incredibly dumb term to begin with. I'm not arguing that a banana split is an easier and more simple submission to pull off than armbars and I would never tell you that you shouldn't make armbars/triangles/RNCs your priority. It's just that "high percentage" is as a dumb concept as "p4p" is for rankings.

It isn't a dumb concept at all, everyone normal intuitively knows what it means and its a useful word to describe certain things and situations, only sperglords get angry about the semantics of it

manyak
Jan 26, 2006

nemoulette posted:

if you by "intuitively" mean "people who don't actually think about what expressions mean and would gladly say dumb poo poo like 'i could care less'" then yeah maybe

Well, I guess when you put it that way, about the dumb poo poo, you're completely right. I'll spread the word around that the phrase 'high percentage' has been debunked by internet linguists, hopefully everyone stops the dumb poo poo.

manyak
Jan 26, 2006

Who Gotch Ya posted:

I'm not saying it's not constantly evolving, I'm saying a lot of people are limiting themselves.

You're limiting yourself by only practicing stupid moves that never work so you can have an excuse when you lose (I was totally going for a wacky move i saw on youtube! I was having fun with it etc) when you could be making yourself better at grappling

manyak
Jan 26, 2006

Ridleys Revenge posted:

I find the biggest ego issue I see in my students is this idea that they can (and should) win or lose in practice. Try wacky moves! Have fun! Get subbed and sub in kind because when you experiment everyone's perspective broadens, everyone's grappling improves, and everyone wins. When you focus on 'high percentage' techniques, everyone gets more comfortable with 'the basics,' everyone's grappling improves, and everyone wins. How can you be so short-sighted as to think you're getting better if you're never getting tapped or moving outside your comfort zone?

I'm not sure which side of the argument youre siding with here but either way I agree, or disagree possibly.

manyak
Jan 26, 2006

Dante posted:

haha you werent kidding


welloffwhitepeopleopinions.txt right here

Hahah, BJJ guys are such dorks. That guy would learn more about mental toughness in one high school wrestling practice than in 10 years of self-imposed fake poverty Brazilian cosplay

manyak
Jan 26, 2006

beadgc posted:

LA has been hit hard by chemtrails lately as well

This, but unironically.

manyak
Jan 26, 2006

beadgc posted:

A question from someone who has seen weed exactly once in his life, should I start smoking weed (via vaporizer) to accelerate my development in grappling? (I'm a 3 stripe white belt) tia

Well. Do you have trouble relaxing or "zoning out" and just letting techniques flow when you grapple? If so then it could help you, a little bit, it's illegal though.

manyak
Jan 26, 2006

CivilDisobedience posted:

That news to you? There's a lot of subs in BJJ that don't show up in competitions for obvious reasons. It's pretty easy to tap a person by taking hold of the foot and carefully curling their toes under with your palm (My first encounter with toe attacks was actually in Judo)

Hahah that is a very cool submission. Cort x Bomb always does that to me

manyak
Jan 26, 2006

Julio Cesar Fatass posted:

would you say that it succeeds a high percentage of the time?

Yes, 100% of the time.

manyak
Jan 26, 2006
He should actually continue doing this until he disappears entirely, and hopefully all the internet nerd "Aint no bitch! its the 2 - 0 -9!!! I love weed ha ha!" rapping granny guys will also shut up and fade away sort of like the Fedor guys did

manyak
Jan 26, 2006

fawker posted:


I like how Ronda is adamant that Braulio was scared of Diaz and only started boasting about tapping Diaz out once it came to light that Diaz was gonna no show again.

Braulio might have been scared of Diaz in the sense that Alan belcher was scared of palhares, in that even if you are a far better fighter you never know what a mentally ill retard will do to you under the pretense of a fight

manyak
Jan 26, 2006

DekeThornton posted:

Now I'm fairly new to seriously following MMA and really no expert on the Diaz brothers and their camp, but am I mistaken in concluding that Cesar Gracie is an utter weasly shitheel?

You are correct

manyak
Jan 26, 2006
Any competition where you arent allowed to slam your opponent or try to hurt him with a throw is bullshit and for babies

manyak
Jan 26, 2006
Sports that are cool and let you slam people: Wrestling, judo, MMA, pro wrestling (?)

Sports where you are encouraged to fall over and scoot around on your rear end, and act like a stupid baby: BJJ

manyak
Jan 26, 2006
Get good at moving to broken side control/north south so you can have a cool stifling Jeff monson esque top game. If you arent in the Gi its tricky to hold people in side control for long periods of time if they are any good, or stronger than you or slippery or all of the above. Use it as a transition

manyak
Jan 26, 2006
I wrestled with kid yamamotos sister seiko this morning and she is really good at wrestling and im not!!!

manyak
Jan 26, 2006
Ask Cort x Bomb what the toe breaker secret move is im sure there is a pro wrestling match where it worked

manyak
Jan 26, 2006
Im gonna toe hold everyone in this 2 bit Forum.

manyak
Jan 26, 2006

Thoguh posted:

Modern Pentathlon has a guy on the IOC executive committee. That's the reason for wrestling getting voted out. The grappling sports are one of the few areas where smaller countries are able to have athletes medal, and are also some of the most widely participated sports worldwide. But Modern Pentathlon has more rich western Europeans.

This is exactly it, what a joke. In their list of made up reasons they have "worldwide participation" or something as if there are more people around the world going to prep schools and learning to ride horses and shoot old timey pistols or whatever the gently caress modern pentathalon is rather than wrestling

manyak
Jan 26, 2006
Does anyone know of a good instructional book or DVD or whatever for the modern leglock game. other than Ryan Halls 50/50 stuff

manyak
Jan 26, 2006

Mechafunkzilla posted:

"Sambo Leg Locks for No Gi Grappling" by Reilly Bodycomb

http://www.rdojo.com/dvds.html

Reilly is my old coach and a very good leglocks man and also much better than Ryan Hall at Magic: The Gathering

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZ9D6tgJMeg

thank you my friend. lol at the video

manyak
Jan 26, 2006

Sprecherscrow posted:

Convenient for this discussion, today's UFC Fan Expo superfight featured Pe de Pano against Xande Ribeiro:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0AFKmKOhMs

Just a heads up not to watch this video if anyone was considering it, as it sucked rear end

manyak
Jan 26, 2006
I like to wear a cup.

manyak
Jan 26, 2006

Kekekela posted:

So I guess this should shut up the haters.

Nope. He is a stupid rear end in a top hat

manyak
Jan 26, 2006

fatherdog posted:

Holy poo poo! Nicollini gets armbarred the same way as Lepri did at ADCC, in less than 30 seconds

so sick

manyak
Jan 26, 2006

eshock posted:

I've been doing BJJ for about 9 months now and am afraid I'm hitting a plateau. My escape game is pretty good since I wrestled in high school, but I'm having trouble working offense from my closed guard. Specifically, my feet are on the small side and I have trouble keeping my guard closed or keeping my hooks in against any kind of pressure.

Is this something that happens to everyone that I just need to work through, or should I be trying to tailor my game around this? I'm a lot more comfortable in half guard right now since I can get a much tighter grip around just one leg.

Closed guard sucks, just work on whatever you like

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manyak
Jan 26, 2006
Having a 17 year old blue belt run an adult BJJ class is stupid for a lot of reasons, but their confidence in posting that challenge really makes me wonder what theyre actually up to, how on earth could they be that confident to propose something like that online and offer to video tape it. Whats their "long con" there because they would for sure get crushed by whatever rear end in a top hat guy shows up

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