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Itzena
Aug 2, 2006

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Slime TrainerS

echoplex posted:

It never really left us
A lot of people in Britain knows what (the old) Slough Bus Station looks/ed like, thanks to Ricky Gervais. Slough Train Station, on the other hand:



A Grade 2 Listed Building (translation: don't knock this down or otherwise mess with it) with a double-width road leading down to it. Why? Well, back when the railways were first really taking off, the headmaster of Eton College didn't want any stations built near his college because it might lead his precious students into temptation and moral decline. So Slough (briefly) became the de facto Royal Station for Queen Vicky and her extended family. Therefore Slough got a pretty, oversized station. And then, within a couple of decades, people went "sod it" and built a pair of (ornate, oversized) stations right next to the castle in Windsor anyway.

Slough station has two other claims to fame, to boot: The first murderer caught by telegraph (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Tawell) and it also has a stuffed dog from the 19th Century:


Much more interesting that that concrete monstrosity the buses used to run through.

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Itzena
Aug 2, 2006

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Slime TrainerS
Steam engine chat - here's LMS Princess-class "Princess Elizabeth" being banked up the Lickey incline by a GWR pannier tank: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-JIBH6ClBI The amount of soot being thrown out by that poor little tank engine is impressive.

There's lots of "X takes the Lickey Incline" videos on Youtube - it's the steepest main-line slope in Britain and also has a foot crossing near the top so it's quite popular for people to sit there with cameras rolling.

And something for the oil-burner fans: Deltic 55022 "Royal Scots Grey" making it's own smoke-screen on the Great Western mainline: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qoktXA1VWHw
Deltics have the best engine note, and the most insane engine configuration.

And finally, steam vs diesel: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NgKJw_mJi6Q
(The steam engine is newer than the diesel :ssh:)

Itzena
Aug 2, 2006

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Slime TrainerS

Wicaeed posted:

It's also not like the drive wheels are mechanically connected to the engine in any way, they are usually electric motors...right?
It might be diesel-hydraulic rather than diesel-electric, but that just raises further questions along the lines of "but, but...torque converter!".

Itzena
Aug 2, 2006

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Slime TrainerS

InterceptorV8 posted:

http://youtu.be/6xSzU0oM4mM

Kinda neat! Closed tube station.
Hey, I remember that one closing! It was a one-stop branch line run with a very limited service and I don't think I ever saw anyone actually use it. Speaking of now-closed peak time only Tube lines from back when I was a student: The Central line used to run this odd little mostly rural branch line from Epping to Ongar, way out in Essex. It had two claims to fame:

1) Ongar station is the zero point for the Underground (i.e. all distances are measured from there), and
2) It had the least used station on the entire network. Blake Hall was built a mile from the village of Bobbingworth (not a made-up name, I swear) as a condition to get the land-owner's permission to build the line and ended up with six passengers a day using it.

So, around the same time as Aldwych was shut, LU decided that the whole branch line up there past Epping was, in fact, a colossal waste of time and a loss-maker so they closed it.

It's now a preservation line, and they had their first steam service run on it earlier this year: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svkpfT4xZ24

Itzena
Aug 2, 2006

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Slime TrainerS

Zeether posted:

If I ever get back into model railroading I'm going On30 and seeing if I can find one of these (or its sister the K-27) in that scale, because holy mother of gently caress are they the coolest looking narrow gauge locomotives ever.
And from the :black101: of narrow gauge to the :downs:

The Ffestiniog Railway had a problem. It was a narrow-gauge railway for taking slate from the mines in the north Wales mountains down to the sea, so that meant heavy loads that normal narrow-gauge engines would struggle with. The solution came from a Scottish engineer called Robert Fairlie. He concluded that the typical locomotive design was inefficient due to the limits of traction and the tender not contributing to adhesion in any way, plus the whole "cannot run as well in reverse" design. So he came up with a solution: Put two boilers on it, cab in the middle, and put the driving wheels on bogies so it can actually go around bends.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fairlie

And the weirdest thing? It works. It works so well that the Ffestiniog (which is a tourist railway now) is still using them: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_q8bT3q_oHA

In fact, they're still making them - "David Lloyd George" was built from scratch by the railway in 1992:

Itzena
Aug 2, 2006

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Slime TrainerS

SybilVimes posted:

What everyone is describing is basically micro-sleep. It has a long and bad association with train drivers :(
There's this thing on the Tube over here called "Moorgate Protection", which is essentially a bunch of controls to make sure that a train entering a terminus actually stops.

It's named after Moorgate station because, well, that's where the crash which forced the introduction of the system happened.

tl'dr version: Train driver just doesn't stop at the platform and ploughs through the buffers into the unused tunnel beyond. This wouldn't be so bad except the tunnel was originally built for surface loading gauge (rather than the Underground) so the first car does a vertical jackknife, the next two ride up over the top and, well, 41 people died including the driver and it took the better part of a week to get the bodies out in 40 degree (celsius)/100 degree farenheit heat.

What does that have to do with the crash earlier? Nobody knows why the driver didn't stop. The wiki summary is pretty :gonk: when you think about it:

quote:

The Department of the Environment report on the collision was published on 4 March 1976 and tests showed no equipment fault on the train. Postmortem evidence indicated that at the time of impact the driver's hand was on the brake handle, rather than in front of his face to protect it. Witnesses were interviewed; some passengers on the train reported that the train accelerated when entering the station, and some witnesses standing in the station reported that the driver, 56-year-old Leslie Newson, was sitting upright in his seat and looking straight ahead as the train passed through the station. The state of the motor control gear as found after the accident indicated that power had been applied to the motors until within two seconds of the impact.

Newson had worked for London Underground since 1969 and the post-mortem examination did not find any evidence of a medical problem such as a stroke or heart attack that could have incapacitated him. There was some doubt as to if he had consumed alcohol. Testing for this was hampered by the four-and-a-half days it took to retrieve his body from the wreckage; analysis showed that his blood alcohol level at the time of the post-mortem was 80 mg/100ml, but it was not possible to reach a definite conclusion as to whether this was the result of consumption of alcohol or a product of the process of decomposition. 80 mg/100ml is the current UK legal limit for driving a car (the limit at the time of the accident was higher), and the medical experts disagreed with each other on whether any amount consumed would have affected his ability to drive the train. Medical evidence to the official enquiry raised the possibility that the driver had been affected by conditions such as transient global amnesia, or akinesis with mutism, where the brain continues to function and the individual remains aware although they cannot move physically, but pointed out also that there was no evidence to indicate either condition – to positively diagnose akinesis with mutism would depend on a microscopic examination of the brain which was not possible owing to decomposition, and transient global amnesia would leave no traces at post-mortem in any case.

Evidence to the inquest showed that the driver did not have any reason to be suicidal and had over £270 (about £1600 today) in his pocket which he was intending to use to purchase a car for his daughter after the end of his shift. The coroner's verdict was accidental death.

"akinesis with mutism, where the brain continues to function and the individual remains aware although they cannot move physically".
Jesus. Just imagine that.

Itzena
Aug 2, 2006

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Slime TrainerS

Axeman Jim posted:

The Class 37, classic English Electric design and the backbone of BR's freight operations for 40 years. A handful are still around:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-F6wEmsgaLc
A Class 37 struggling to start in the cold: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pv_cGG56QA4
Glow plugs and block heaters not being a high priority in the mid-50's, I'd imagine.

Itzena
Aug 2, 2006

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Slime TrainerS

Ika posted:

I've been reading about crossrail 2, but I haven't seen this mentioned: If it is taking over the SW regional routes, would they end up designing trains that can use both power systems, or would they just upgrade the lines to the 25KV system as they are added to the network?

I would expect the second option to sound more expensive, but become cheaper in the long term as then you don't need to buy two types of trains every time you order new ones.

And crossrail 1's trains having two or three types of signaling interfaces just sounds like a mess.
Crossrail (1) is going to be 25KV overhead lines all the way out, it's basically the old Great Western lines (i.e. is currently diesel-run). I'd imagine the argument for doing the same for CR2 is going to be "Well, we've got three main lines on 25KV overhead now, keeping a legacy 650V third rail system when we've got the opportunity to upgrade is just silly". It'll also give them an excuse to start upgrading the rest of the third rail lines that way too.

I mean, they had no qualms about demolishing a bunch of old bridges to do CR(1)/WML electrification now so it should be the same thing there. Yeah, assuming there's no government/management committee stupidity of course.

Itzena fucked around with this message at 01:43 on May 3, 2014

Itzena
Aug 2, 2006

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Slime TrainerS
Today I drove down the road a way and visited a shed.


Swindon Railway Works pretending to be a GWR station.



4200-class 2-8-0 tank engine no. 4248, or what's left of her.



City of Truro - the first train to get measured as doing over 100mph. No, the Flying Scotsman was just the first one to do it with a dyno car in its rake - City of Truro had someone on the footplate with a stopwatch, counting telegraph poles. No, really.



Back end of a brake van in the front, the only surviving 0-6-0 Dean Goods engine in the middle and an (old) replica of (an even older) Star Class broad gauge locomotive behind that.



...although 'replica' isn't entirely accurate as some of it is actually salvaged parts from the original, scrapped "North Star" loco.



Caerphilly Castle. If you look closely, you can see it's over an inspection pit.



Caerphilly Castle from another angle. :v:


And King George V. No, not that one.

Album with more photos: http://imgur.com/a/OmVVT

Itzena
Aug 2, 2006

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Slime TrainerS
https://twitter.com/mikespencerpics/status/740839046239387648

It almost looks like one of those "shop modern and old photos together" pictures.

Itzena
Aug 2, 2006

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Slime TrainerS

MikeCrotch posted:

Except the Flying Scotsman would never be at Paddington :spergin:

:eng101: The Flying Scotsman had comparitive trials on the GWR soon after she was built, and later worked (briefly) on Western Region post-war, including some repairs at Swindon Works.
(I know the latter because my grandfather was a fireman on the GWR/WR and fired her at least once).

Itzena fucked around with this message at 21:56 on Jun 17, 2016

Itzena
Aug 2, 2006

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Slime TrainerS
Recently, the not-so-Great Western Railway launched its new Electric/Diesel bimode express trains:


(new train at the front, second-newest at the back)

It...didn't go so well.

https://twitter.com/scott4sarah/status/919832041562279938

https://twitter.com/CommutingRants/status/919819735684050945

https://twitter.com/PJTurton/status/920993487474102273

Eventually, in a decade or two, someone will realise that half-arsing the electrification of the Great Western Mainline was a really, really stupid thing to do and pay even more billions to finish the job.

Itzena
Aug 2, 2006

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Slime TrainerS

MikeCrotch posted:

Glad you yanks now have your very own Morpeth Curve

Combining two things for some context: http://www.openrailwaymap.org/?lang=&lat=55.1602514922045&lon=-1.6854357719421387&zoom=15&style=standard
Yes, that's an (all-but-)90 degree turn in the middle of a high-speed section one of the main express lines in the UK.

That map's actually a pretty good way to get a visual of just how badly Beeching and the Tories hosed over the British railway network: just look at all the disused, abandoned and razed track everywhere in the UK - from little one-stop branch lines up to an entire main line railway.

Itzena
Aug 2, 2006

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Slime TrainerS

I've always liked the "I think I can I think I can" Class 37 cold start vid:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pv_cGG56QA4

E: That might even be the same engine?

Itzena fucked around with this message at 17:45 on Feb 25, 2018

Itzena
Aug 2, 2006

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Slime TrainerS

inkjet_lakes posted:

Five minutes walk from my house this morning, I think I someone shouted hello from the cab (excuse shaky phone vid, I was balancing on a fence):

https://youtu.be/3d-9n3-k_uU

Watching that got me this in the recommendeds:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9mDv-QR0eo

Not the sort of thing you'd expect down a little alleyway between two houses.

Itzena
Aug 2, 2006

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Slime TrainerS

BalloonFish posted:

Great Western: vacuum (but a unique system that wasn't fully compatible with other vacuum brakes)

LMAO of course God's Wonderful Railway went "Sod you, we know best".

Itzena
Aug 2, 2006

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Slime TrainerS
Thank you, youtube algorithm, for showing me this little piece of "wait, what?":

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bq0aA9RZ1ls

Itzena
Aug 2, 2006

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Slime TrainerS

MikeCrotch posted:



The other big element was that BR more than most railways didn't anticipate road haulage taking a lot of the short freight routes, and so were still building tiny freight locos like the Class 17s which were supposed to replaced steam tank engines like for like and we're effectively obsolete by the time they were built.

It lives!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSDwSTzeZJY

The sole remaining Class 17.

Itzena
Aug 2, 2006

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Slime TrainerS

BalloonFish posted:

I always feel bad when someone does a really long, comprehensive and interesting post like that and I can't find anything specific or insightful to say. But I really enjoyed reading it, so thanks :)

Had an afternoon out at a heritage railway yesterday:







Because of the prolonged dry, hot weather there was a diesel shoving at the back to save the steam engine working too hard on the climbs and risking embers/sparks flying into the fields.

Class 37 in faded Trainload Metals:black101: livery



Oh hey, I recognise that line! I wonder if they have the arguably worst diesel ever built for BR back there yet?

Itzena
Aug 2, 2006

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Slime TrainerS
Ah yes, looks like it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZpuI-7tLdR4

Itzena
Aug 2, 2006

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Slime TrainerS
Freight train needs a little push:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=icgH_3dXdOU

Itzena
Aug 2, 2006

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Slime TrainerS

TheFluff posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCc839UL8po

I have no idea what's going on here but I'm here for it

Probably being taken back to Cité du Train or another museum after this event last summer:

https://www.reddit.com/r/TrainPorn/comments/13phe41/sncf_140c27_and_tgv_pse_16_the_tgv_which_broke/

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Itzena
Aug 2, 2006

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Slime TrainerS
It actually happened a while back with a Eurostar train - the old Southern Railway network in SE England is 3rd Rail electricification (tl;dr reason - it's a glorified commuter network and 3rd rail was cheaper than overhead) and bad weather over winter broke it.

So Tornado picked up the stranded passengers and took them to London.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/8428097.stm

quote:

About 100 people were offered free seats, according to Mark Allatt, chairman of The A1 Steam Locomotive Trust - the charity which built Tornado.
He said: "It was a nice way to finish for Christmas, though I think some of the rescued passengers didn't realise they'd even been travelling on a steam train until they got off."
Mr Allatt, who was on the service at the time, said he only saw a handful of other trains between London and Dover throughout Monday.
He added: "If any of the train operators want to modernise their services by using steam trains, I would be happy to give them a quote."

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