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DeclaredYuppie posted:One thing I noticed this morning- I usually book vacations through Orbitz and I feel like everything I was seeing on the strip aside from one/two casinos (Excalibur, Stratosphere) were basically $850 to $1050 for 3 nights. I was looking at priceline this morning on a lark and everything seemed a lot cheaper- $650-$850 for a places at the Mirage, MGM etc. Does anyone know if priceline is just better connected in Vegas or anything? Holy poo poo, 200-350/night for MGM? My biggest tip is getting a players card when you are there, and use it, even at nickel slots. Even at low limits, you'll get offers for rooms for 40 or 50 dollars (probably free rooms at luxor). MGM is terrible about comping anything while you are there, but they love giving offers ahead of time to get you back.
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tuckfard posted:For my bachelor party this summer my friends are deciding between TI, PH, and MC, which are more or less the same price. Any recommendations? Planet Hollywood is very centrally located, although its not like you should be walking anywhere in the goddamn summer in vegas. Its pretty much the same building as the miracle mile shops, so that draws a lot of traffic there. Wizard of odds has a site now where he has pretty in depth reviews of all the casinos. Looks like both TI and MC have had renovations recently, so that helps I guess. I've just always lumped them in with luxor as bottom-rung places, but the reviews look decent. http://wizardofvegas.com/hotels/
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JustinMorgan posted:Opinions on Luxor? Luxor is a shithole
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JustinMorgan posted:Why? Many reasons, but the primary is the roof in my bathroom caving in and spraying brown water all over everything we left out. Which wasnt too much, but still. Since the room was already comped, management apparently felt that there was no need to make any sort of amends. Also the rooms (even the suites) are worse than a motel 8. Doors falling off cabinets, nasty carpet, terrible soundproofing. Still had CRT tvs in the suite, kind of funny. Ummm, worst buffet I've ever seen in vegas. Actually nothing on the property I could find that I actually wanted to spend food comps on (although kellers burger bar is on the walk to mandalay). Their shows are criss angel and carrot top. Won their 'high roller' promotion, which was advertised all over the place that week, which was a table at LAX. They jammed us around the corner underneath the stairs at the back of the bar where it felt like you werent even in the club. With one bottle of lovely vodka, and tried to charge us like 200 bucks in 'tips' for the privilege. Baddog fucked around with this message at 21:57 on Jun 20, 2012 |
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Le reve is really good, and you dont really have to worry about a bad seat - circular steep ampitheater. Its not a cirque show, but I think its better than the ones I've seen.
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TheBuilder posted:I just finished a meal at Jean Georges at Aria: sucked butt. Thanks for reminding me. I was treated like absolute poo poo there because the waiter thought I was a scrub or something. Button down shirt and jeans not good enough? I was a bit scruffy from playing a shitload of blackjack and just wanted a decent meal. Maybe it was because I didnt order wine? Oh no, he got a table that wont be over 300 dollars... In any case, a bunch of bullshit 'fancy' steak sauces dont really make up for such lovely service. gently caress off pretentious jackasses.
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Suave Fedora posted:I'm renting a car and it's $75 a day in July. Thankfully I will only need to drive out to (and possibly die in) Valley of Fire park. wtf, vegas rentals are usually cheap as poo poo. Are you renting an suv? For a random weekend in july I'm seeing no bid full size on priceline for 36 a day from alamo (more like 50 after you add in the crazy taxes and fees). I used to bid on economies and get them for like 5/day in the summer (plus all the taxes, so more like 15). Those are some beat up poo poo cars though, haha.
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TheReverend posted:I know "don't be cheap in Las Vegas" is solid advice but I'm not sure I can do that one! Unless of course you're allowed to loiter in there and buy drinks from the bar (as opposed to them being comped playing 500 dollar hands of blackjack). What is the min blackjack in there? The tables outside with decent rules are like $100 last I was there, but is it really that big a jump to $500?
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TheReverend posted:It was hyperbole but I think I read it was 100 a hand. Play at the tables with good rules and just do a little bit of counting, and your expectation is to break even, if not win a little. And then you get comps like crazy (although comps on the strip are a lot less generous, getting rooms is easy). Swings are pretty insane still though, you can go hours only being up or down a little, but then you can be +/-5k real quick playing 100/hand. But all you players dropping 10k on bottle service can handle that much variance I'm sure 
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Kase Im Licht posted:Wow I'm so out of it. Took me way too long to remember the concept of a poker rate. Looks like Venetian, Bellagio, and Aria all have doable requirements that would bring a nice casino into my price range. Which would be best if I'm going to be stuck playing a lot at that particular room. Figure nl200 mostly. Maybe some limit. I miss having a dedicated poker forum... PITR is all assigned to this one thread now if you missed it. http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3504125 I like MGM poker room to bottom feed on all the worst poker playing tourists, but the aria room is so much nicer. Not to mention the accommodations.
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Kase Im Licht posted:
Hey, who do you talk to for that, the poker room manager? How much do you have to play at aria for what kind of discount? I've always gotten straight up comped for blackjack, but its been quite some time now since I've been to vegas. Poker rate for first trip back would be cool.
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Kase Im Licht posted:Wow I totally failed to reply to this. There are two women who handle the poker rates. The website mentions a Kate Paculan I think but I dealt with Elaine. eteitelb01@aria.com 702-590-7230 Thanks for the info, yah that's a pretty decent discount. At MGM properties (even the luxor) I've always had to put in 100/hand for quite a few hours a day to get the free room/buffet email offers on the next trip, and they still wouldn't comp me anything on the first trip on checkout.
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Insane Totoro posted:I should clarify that I would like it to be off strip. Second hot'n'juicy crawfish. Its been awhile, but I used to go there every time I went to Vegas. Its a crawfish boil, you get your crawfish in a plastic bag and get dirty as gently caress splitting em open. Its tasty as hell though. Get it crazy spicy and order enough to get a bunch of corn/potatoes/sausage in the mix. Lots of beer.
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MrChupon posted:Sounds like 2x odds might be the next thing to sweep Vegas at all but the highest levels. The Wynn has already switched over for all games under $100 minimum. It kind of loving sucks and I hope it doesn't infest everything like 6:5 blackjack has started to. People are more interested in playing the lowest limit possible instead of playing the good games. They don't understand just how loving bad 6:5 blackjack is. You see it in this thread too, people are just "where is the $5 blackjack???" If you play more than about 60-90 minutes (depending on hands per hour and how hosed up your play is) your expected loss at the $5 6:5 table is worse than the $25 one with decent rules. And you aren't ever gonna get comped poo poo at the kiddie table.
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Man with Hat posted:This is a good post and thank you for teaching me what to look for when I'm there. I had no idea this was a thing since I'm not much more of a gambler than "it's fun for a while sometimes". Sure thing, this guy has pretty up to date rule surveys for all the casinos' 3:2 blackjack. You can sort by house edge to see that even within 3:2 there is a fairly big difference in EV. Looks like El Cortez downtown has a really good/cheap single deck game (.2 house edge). Probably only one table though. The standard decent strip game is 6 decks at .29 house edge and you can find min 25 often at a lot of tables. Its a good game. http://wizardofvegas.com/guides/blackjack-survey/ Btw, the basic strategy for a single deck game with the el cortez rules (Hit soft 17, no DAS, no RSA, no surrender), is significantly different than the standard 6 deck strip game (stand soft 17, DAS, RSA, surrender). Take the rules and plug them into this calculator to get the strategy charts. http://wizardofodds.com/games/blackjack/strategy/calculator/ If you count at all, the single deck game at the Cortez is almost impossible not to have an edge at. They are probably watching it like a hawk though for any deviation from standard play or bet variation, and they'll start shuffling up after every single hand. You'll still get an advantage sitting at the anchor position at a full table and just seeing everyone else's cards though, but getting sweated like crazy for barely minimum wage sucks. When I went I would actually play a relatively lovely double deck game at red rock (hit soft 17, no surrender, .4 house edge) because they were good with comps there and I like the casino.
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jabro posted:I understand playing the house odds to make your money last a little longer but if you are just going to Vegas to have fun and not be a degen don't worry about it. Set aside money for gambling, put it in your mind it is entertainment money and it will be gone by the end of your trip. If you win some, great. If not, no biggie, you had fun. Go to a casino because it looks cool and you want to check it out. Not because it has a .01 point of edge in your favor. Do go to El Cortez though because that is the most old school Vegas you'll get these days. Yah for sure, my original point was don't loving play 6:5 blackjack or craps with horrible odds just because its "cheap". Because its not. I said I preferred Red Rock even though they have relatively crappy blackjack outside of the high limit room.
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Cool cool. Counting cards a little bit isn't that hard btw, and changes the game from "how long will my money last" to "how long do I have to play to get this trip taken care of". It's still a rush though, cus you can be up or down many thousands (or more) over any single trip. Blackjack variance is no joke.
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VelociBacon posted:Not going to be doing much if any gambling just going to be wandering around and taking photos and having drinks. Speaking of which, definitely seems like Vegas kind of shot itself in the foot by promoting itself as this "shows/food/clubs/drinks/pools/loving" place instead of being all about gambling. http://money.cnn.com/2016/01/08/news/vegas-nevada-casinos-losses/ Maybe at some point they'll start giving decent comps again for $100/hand play. Instead of a timeshare dude popping out every 10 feet.
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Konstantin posted:Here is a good article about some skill based games in development. It's an interesting space, that's for sure. Some more beatable games would be awesome, even though the author seems really positive that casinos will not want to offer them. Blackjack and video poker still make a ton of money for casinos, even though they are beatable with enough skill, so hopefully we'll see some others. The limit poker machines were as well, although I'm not sure if they are still around.
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Imaduck posted:Given the number of decks most casinos use nowadays, the potential edge in blackjack is not very big. On top of that, casinos actively try to root out advantage blackjack players. The difference in odds between 4, 5 and 6 decks is very small. .06, .03, .02. Using shuffle machines kills counting, and those are getting more common, maybe thats what you meant? But there is plenty of winnable blackjack around. I do love a double deck game with good rules, sure. But six decks works ok too - when the count is good early, it can stay good for a long time..... http://wizardofodds.com/games/blackjack/basics/#toc-RuleVariations I happened to run into one of the mit blackjack guys at a very popular casino not that long ago. He wasn't disguised, and he was counting, so the casinos aren't that pressed about it as long as you aren't hitting them for crazy amounts (team play or at least really high stakes). Imaduck posted:Video poker is only beatable with certain, very specific payouts that are very hard, if not impossible to find nowadays. Most of the games aren't beatable. They are still around though... Imaduck posted:Limit Heads Up Poker is a solved game, so by definition it's not beatable. They did release those games before the game was officially claimed to be solved, but I suspect they either had solved it already and not published the result, or were so close to solving it that any potential edge would be minuscule. The machine in question doesn't have the same neural net as the university one, which relied on a pretty big cluster, and I don't see that they published any of their training conditions to duplicate that particular net. And it appears the creators of the vegas machine have dumbed their net down a bit so it doesn't absolutely crush ordinary people. Specialists were beating it over a pretty large number of hands, unless they were lying. EV of $60/hour or whatever is probably not a good draw for those guys though. Imaduck posted:Games where you only compete against other players can be raked while still being fair, so I think they're a great place to start. The key is finding games that have a good balance of luck and skill, lucky enough where amateurs can win relatively regularly, but skill-based enough where skilled players have a long term edge and can beat the rake. Would be cool if I didn't have to travel a long ways to get a good game. Maybe someday.
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Imaduck posted:The way they present those odds are, well, odd (it's the difference in the edges that actually matter, the way they've presented them). You can see the effect more clearly in his edge counter: http://wizardofodds.com/games/blackjack/calculator/ It depends on your rules variations, but going from 1->2 decks and 2->4 decks often doubles the house edge, and can easily turn a positive player edge into a negative one. You're right though, 4->6 isn't so big, but at that point your edge is pretty small. And yeah, clearly you can't count against a shuffle machine. Knowing 6 of 24 aces are dead and you have 3 decks still to go is huge. And you don't have to use anything approaching a complete count to get an advantage. Here, he has a pretty simple one which gives an advantage on the common 6 deck strip game, and penetration there is fairly standardized. http://wizardofodds.com/games/blackjack/appendix/17/ Its a loving grind to count solo for rent money, you aren't gonna get rich. Team play is where the big money is at, but then you have to deal with other assholes. Imaduck posted:Different groups were getting closer and closer to solving the games for years; the methodologies are out there. Typically this type of algorithm will take a very large amount of CPU power to train, but significantly less to actually execute, especially if you go the extra mile and shave out complexity that gives you very little gain. There's enough money in it that a company would happily lock 5 PhDs in a room and give them far more resources than they'd have in academia to spit out some winning models. I'm not sure you know much about neural nets at all "shaving out complexity"? That isn't really material though, because the vegas machine is definitely good enough. Here is an article though where the creators talk about gimping their net.http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/08/magazine/poker-computer.html Imaduck posted:30BB/hr is a huge win rate to claim in limit, heads-up poker. Granted, they can play a lot more hands against a bot per hour, but I still find that incredibly hard to believe, as it'd be a considerable edge against a human player, let alone a bot. So yeah, I'm skeptical of their claims; there's a lot of variance of poker, and a significant sample size to make a claim like that would be in the 50k+ hand range. If they've got the logs to prove it, I'd love to see them. It plays up to 10/20, at least in vegas, so thats 3BB/hr on a machine that you can crank a lot of hands on quickly. There is a guy in the NYT article, or you can read the threads on 2+2. Yes I know there is a lot of variance in poker, I used to grind super turbos on FTP! And I already said that I think the seats are empty now because people figured out the edge is so small that they can make a lot more money doing something else, especially since the casinos stopped giving comps for play on them.
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Imaduck posted:That article makes it pretty clear that the programmers think their machine is unbeatable by humans, and I'm inclined to believe them. It sounds like they have a random "let the wookie win" thing that kicks in in certain situations, but the programmers make it clear that they think it is a winning machine against all players, even with these foils. Are you confusing the programmers in the ny times article with the backer and the casino guy? I also like that the only poker pro named was matusow, who is pretty bad. Everyone else was a competitive bridge player, or unnamed right? I don't think you can gimp the net so that all of these conditions are met a) the number of nodes is collapsed by an amount to make a difference, b) the net is modified to make mistakes bad enough to be seen by an average player in a given play session and c) is still 'unbeatable' by ANYONE in the long term. Especially when the published best result isn't strongly solved, what people would normally term "unbeatable". The bar is just very very high, the published net can still be expected to beat a *perfectly* exploitative opponent 1 out of 20 times over a very long period, which is really loving good. But when you start making those compromises, the bar comes down fast. The fact that they removed comps from the machine pretty quickly shows that it wasn't as strong as they thought, and *plenty* of people could at least get the edge close to flipping. Obviously I'm not recommending anyone play it. It seems like you have to be at the very top of the HU limit holdem game (and who the gently caress plays that) to grind out a relatively small amount. So lets summarize 1) Blackjack is still very beatable. The number of decks (after 2) doesn't really matter as long as they aren't using a shuffler or cutting off more than half the decks. And if you're going to play, learning an easy count is a good way to get free rooms and food in vegas (if you can handle swings on the order of 5k a session) 2) There are indeed video poker "pros" although its a pretty lovely "occupation" mostly dependent on comps. 3) Don't play the headsup limit holdem machine, because you are probably not a HU LHE savant. The neural net in that machine is not the "unbeatable" one, but who knows how close it is (and it might even be as good or better, if everyone who says they can beat it is lying) 4) It would be nice if there were more skill games you could win real money at, preferably fun ones and not "grab a card faster than everyone else" games 5) Imaduck is very cocky. Which unfortunately is a common trait for even semi-serious poker players. He's right, the 2+2 forums are full of lying shithead degenerates and its hard to figure out whats true in any given thread. Which is why losing PITR sucked.
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Apollodorus posted:Hm so My Wife and I are thinking of going back to Vegas maybe next year, or perhaps earlier, and our current thought is to fly in, rent a Jeep and drive to the Mojave National Preserve to camp a few nights followed by a return to Vegas to stay a few more nights inside an actual building. Has anyone done something like this before? Something similar sure. Whats the question about it? Sounds like fun, but checking a lot of camping gear through the airline seems like a bit of a pain in the rear end, unless you are used to camping really light. We rented a jeep and drove from home (denver).
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Apollodorus posted:I'm wondering if there are places in or near Vegas that rent real off-road vehicles and don't mind if they get a little dirty or dinged up, since we'd want to drive in some of the areas that are basically inaccessible unless you have a serious 4x4. We took a hertz jeep through some serious stuff in moab and all over pismo beach sand dunes in CA and didn't get hassled either time. Didn't have any big dings though. Can always take it through a car wash and vacuum before return if its looking really bad. Fox in vegas rents wranglers as well, and it'll probably be pre-dinged there.
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bunnyofdoom posted:Adelson owns venitian and what else so I can avoid when I go in feb just venetian and palazzo in vegas, list of properties here. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Las_Vegas_Sands A ton of macao unfortunately, cus I like macao. Along with being a general poo poo person, he also was one of the people responsible for killing internet poker.
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216A posted:Thanks, always detested Caesers, I'll try Aria. Normal MGM marker rules? Aren't the marker rules pretty standard? Couple weeks to pay back, they don't like you using it at other casinos or poker/sports but they don't really enforce, and they might ask you to pay it off if you are up big. Something else I don't know about?
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216A posted:MGM was always a pretty straight 10 large min. I generally just wire in advance, as opposed to credit, which is very doable with bigger places. I don't understand how you could use it somewhere else, short of drawing and then cashing out. Which seems like a dick move. A marker is a line of credit (actually I think in nevada it might be processed more like cashing a check, with the processing on their part delayed, which is even less of a favor to you). Either way I don't see how its really a dick move. The casinos would like you to *think* its a dick move and stay in their spot, but whatever. If you don't want to cash in some chips to hit a new place, you used to be able to exchange foreign chips without much fuss, I dunno if that has changed recently. Go to the cage if you are trying to do a significant amount. I don't think you have to have a story or anything, but you can always say you came over for dinner and you decided you want to play here for a bit, can you switch chips? I think you tend to get better host recognition with a marker as opposed to wiring in cash, maybe because they feel you're more likely to get sucked in. They usually forward me to a host as soon as they get the information to set up or refresh the line. But if you're playing those limits, I don't think you're going to have any issues anyways. A hand of baccarat should be comped better than blackjack right? Maybe its often a bit slower game, but the edge is worse. 500/hand should get you some nice comps even at an MGM property!
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jabro posted:What kind of people do you play with that get annoyed on how other people bet that has no relation on your play? pai gow players also seem to hate when you take a turn as the bank, which can actually be +EV depending if other players suck. It has no effect on them if you bank or the house banks, but they don't seem to like it. I agree it is kind of a fun slow game.
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Jingleheimer posted:Last year when I went to Vegas I got drunk and sat down at a pai gow table in the Bellagio. I was betting stupid and eventually got to the point where I was betting a hundred bucks a hand, and I lost a bunch of hands in a row. Even the dealer told me to stop being stupid and walk away, but I wasn't satisfied until I had lost a thousand dollars. I still love the game, but god drat do I hate myself for being such a dumbass that one night. just fyi, if you're too drunk to set hands, you can always ask the dealer to set yours the house way. They really dont mind.
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Minty Swagger posted:Oh yeah, dont stay at Ellis Island, just drop by. I like dive casinos. Do they have the standard "good game" 3:2 6 deck stand on soft 17, double after split, resplit aces, late surrender blackjack (or better rules), and whats the min? Baddog fucked around with this message at 01:56 on May 13, 2017 |
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Looks like there is a new casino this year, lucky dragon. Supposedly catering to "asians", looks like more specifically chinese. Anyone been there?
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Imaduck posted:That'll avoid long-hauling, but what about "It's $25. No, I can't show you the meter. Oh, and sorry, the card-reader is down. Cash? Yeah, I can take your two twenties for the ride. Sorry, I don't have change." vegas would be cool if I could just avoid everyone who lives there
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JaySB posted:I actually really dig the new food court at Cosmo. Chef's Table at Scarpetta is my favorite date night spot, I loathe STK though. They did somehow put a ton of great restaurants into one food court. Beats the shhhhhhit out of Eataly. Haddy B's and PokPok i can personally vouch for! Milk Bar kinda overrated? Maybe my mouth was just done after that extra hot fried chicken.
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jabro posted:Planet Hollywood across the street used to be full of drunk loose players. Haven’t played there in a few years but I imagine it would still be the same. It actually seemed like more than a normal amount of low stakes grinders when i was there a few months ago. MGM is my spot for complete bottom feeding ego boosting. Venetian is a weird game now, huge best hand bonus every hour that everyone is going for. Massive calling stations. Should be very profitable, but it changes the dynamics up a lot.
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Also please dont play 6:5 blackjack... you will lose more money playing five dollar 6:5 than if you just sack up and play $25 3:2. But when the casinos see their 6:5 tables jam packed, they convert more of the tables with good rules to poo poo tables. To get a decent game with S17, now I have to play heads up in the high limit room with five casino employees sweating me.
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The Dregs posted:We're not really gamblers and we're on the budget. Why do you want to go to Vegas?
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illcendiary posted:I got half the Airbnb reservation refunded at least 🤷♂️ Hey how'd you do that? My friend is stuck with one in LA.
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