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My Lovely Horse
Aug 21, 2010

You're looking for "Discounter".

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My Lovely Horse
Aug 21, 2010

Case in point, Abgeordnetenwatch.de has a thing where you can compare statements with your direct candidates, and they're along the lines of "the police should have access to your saved internet connection data." Big surprise, every candidate replies negatively to that because they know replying positively would look bad, but when you read their responses they still cover everything from "only to help investigations in a crime" to "that shouldn't be saved in the first place." Works more or less the same with the other statements they had.

My Lovely Horse
Aug 21, 2010

You gotta wonder what general state a country is in if the best government it can realistically hope for is the one that occasionally fails to do the stupidest poo poo imaginable.

CDU upper echelons have to be secretly hoping that the FDP doesn't make it because then they can form a coalition with the SPD who have proven themselves time and time again to be complete pushovers who believe that saying "this is a really bad law and we don't like it at all" really clearly but supporting it unanimously carries exactly the same weight as voting against the drat thing.

My Lovely Horse
Aug 21, 2010

Probably both. Bruno Kramm is pretty big on either as I recall. Having a professional musician who's outspoken against the current state of the industry and has in fact sued GEMA front and center of your party image is probably a really good idea if you're the Pirates. Sure they'd garner more votes with it if it was Herbert Grönemeyer or Wolfgang Niedecken Petry but you can't have everything.

My Lovely Horse
Aug 21, 2010

One is the chancellor of Germany accepting illegal donations and refusing to disclose the donators and the his party keeping secret bank accounts. The other is a small party adopting a position of sexual liberty that should have been highly morally questionable even then, then abandoning that position and distancing themselves from it long before they even got voted into the federal government. The CDU was a long established governing party, the Greens were in their formative years, had been around as a political party for all of one year and would remain in the opposition for 18 years if they got into parliament at all.

It really kind of is a bigger deal.

My Lovely Horse
Aug 21, 2010

Teron D Amun posted:

oh god please no CDU and AfD coalition, that would be the SuperGauck
Seems pretty unlikely considering how allll over stability and Europe the CDU is.

elwood posted:

If it stays like this we'll most likely see a new attempt to get the 5 % threshold declared unconstitutional.
Yeah right now that's over 15% of voters not represented in their parliament, and even without Sonstige it's still almost 10. That's a pretty strong point for giving the threshold another look at least.

Even though it couldn't have happened to nicer parties.

My Lovely Horse
Aug 21, 2010

Put it this way, if the Pirates are the Reddit party, AfD is the PYF Idiots on Facebook thread party.

My Lovely Horse
Aug 21, 2010

I really think the AfD getting so many votes is a temporary thing. If the election had been a year ago we'd have the Pirates in parliament with 10%, more than either Grüne or Linke now.

My Lovely Horse
Aug 21, 2010

Actually there have been reports that fishing boats specifically avoided helping those refugees because there are laws under which they could have been fined for assisting illegal immigrants.

My Lovely Horse
Aug 21, 2010

I just spent a very instructive five minutes learning the subtle difference between progressive downloading and streaming. Will go on redtube to see if I can figure out which they use ASAP, which I'm sure will be extremely instructive as well. This argument isn't exactly short on spots to crack it wide open but there's another.

My Lovely Horse
Aug 21, 2010

Some interesting stuff is coming to light.

There's a service that's commonly used on free porn sites that redirects links. You click on a thumbnail, you get redirected to a whole other site. It's possible to include geolocalization in the service so users from a defined area get redirected to a particular site.

Apparently people who got a C&D noticed in their histories that around the time they supposedly got on redtube, there was an access logged to the redirecting service, which redirected to, for example, 49655.movfile.net. Another redirect from there led to 49655.retdube.net, and there was a further redirect there to actual redtube. movfile and retdube were registered two days before the earliest date mentioned in the C&Ds, and the number is the redtube ID of the movies mentioned in the C&D. The speculation is that the domains belong to The Archive and that they deliberately had a few thousand German IPs redirected to their own redirector pages and logged the IPs from there before sending them on to redtube.

The old line about a paranoid being just someone who has all the facts springs to mind.

My Lovely Horse
Aug 21, 2010

Schramm already is :(

e: the biggest troll has got to be Gabriel in politics period.

My Lovely Horse
Aug 21, 2010

Meanwhile in the funny pictures thread

My Lovely Horse
Aug 21, 2010

e X posted:

I can already see the argument unfold, with the CDU insisting on the letter and the SPD on the spirit of the coalition agreement.
The way I understand it the letter of the agreement actually is "we will implement the directive", notably not "we will implement data retention". Other way around, if anything.

Not that it matters much because the CDU will just go ahead with a new initiative and the SPD will keep insisting they really don't want to do it, no seriously, right until the second they unanimously vote in favour of it.

My Lovely Horse
Aug 21, 2010

Those students and their 6 inch mohawks all over the place. :argh:

My Lovely Horse
Aug 21, 2010



Just about poo poo myself with joy this morning when I spotted this.

My Lovely Horse
Aug 21, 2010

Passing out flyers that say "Shariah controlled zone" also pretty clearly implies authority and the power to enforce it.

My Lovely Horse
Aug 21, 2010

That's exactly the kind of thing the AfD like to howl about as well, almost more so than the upfront Nazis.

That "Sharia zone" bollocks is exactly the kind of rhetoric you see when those call out a national befreite Zone, too.

My Lovely Horse
Aug 21, 2010

GaussianCopula posted:

The most fun thing about it was that the head of the engine driver union stated that "if two ill people make a baby, it will be retarded" and got hammered for it.
The second most fun thing is that the chairman of the DGB, pretty much the umbrella organisation for trade unions, has called for the GDL to knock that poo poo off. Although in fairness, as far as his organization is concerned, they're competition.

My Lovely Horse
Aug 21, 2010

They've actually managed to go far enough to the left that they wrap around. And here's me thinking it was a figure of speech.

My Lovely Horse
Aug 21, 2010

"Make it a country to be proud of" would be a much better start than "only let in the people who are proud of what it is now."

My Lovely Horse
Aug 21, 2010

Honj Steak posted:

Lol, I just got told that I'll be meeting Seehofer and Ramsauer in person in two weeks. What should I tell them? :getin:
The opposite of that smilie.

My Lovely Horse
Aug 21, 2010

Werft mir ruhig an den Kopf, ich könne Ereignisse nicht anders kontextualisieren als durch Videospiele, aber ich mußte erstmal an Papers Please denken.

My Lovely Horse
Aug 21, 2010

Honj Steak posted:

Bernd Lucke advised to watch YouTube videos in order to understand the AfD.
:goonsay:
More like read YouTube comments.

My Lovely Horse
Aug 21, 2010

bignose posted:

vote DIE PARTEI - sie ist sehr gut!
Sonneborn is in my town this weekend, I'm sure he'll comment on it but if not I might ask him if they're feeling the pressure now.

My Lovely Horse
Aug 21, 2010

We can't even decide among ourselves what "support our values" means on a scale roughly from "welcome aboard, don't be a dick" to "welcome to Germany, here are your Lederhosen, church is in the morning, Helene Fischer in the evening."

My Lovely Horse
Aug 21, 2010

Riso posted:

Broder's got a few words to say about that.
Well what fuckin' else is new.

System Metternich posted:

What a massive arsehole.
But I repeat myself.

My Lovely Horse
Aug 21, 2010

gipskrampf posted:

And as a added bonus, you can vote for two different firefighters parties
All I can think about is the coliseum scene from Life of Brian.

My Lovely Horse
Aug 21, 2010

If you believe there is actual group think in a political spectrum that spans from CSU to Linke and includes around 10% more fringe parties you are out of your mind.

My Lovely Horse
Aug 21, 2010

Why shouldn't the right be as fractured as the left traditionally is and have to deal with the same consequences.

My Lovely Horse
Aug 21, 2010

I guess that's one way to do gender equality.

My Lovely Horse
Aug 21, 2010

schnitzel statt smørrebrød

My Lovely Horse
Aug 21, 2010

Didn't know you get away scot free now if you can demonstrate there's someone worse.

"Okay, officer, maybe I did do 150 inside city limits when I went by that preschool. But then again: Hitler."

My Lovely Horse
Aug 21, 2010

quote:

As stupid as *GIDA's are they are not doing something that's against the law, while the left did in this case.
No poo poo they aren't, doesn't make it irrelevant or any less reprehensible or any more appropriate to try and relativize their bullshit by pointing out the evil leftist rioters (who genuinely are irresponsible assholes, if that's what you want to hear someone say).

Meanwhile in Dresden, an asylum seeker is stabbed to death in the street, forensics arrive at the scene some 30 hours later. Police declare a man lying dead in a literal pool of blood could have had entirely innocent reasons and only the autopsy revealed the stab wounds, thereby showing considerable restraint in jumping to any conclusions.
http://www.sueddeutsche.de/panorama/ermittlungen-zum-tod-von-fluechtling-dresdner-polizei-raeumt-fehler-ein-1.2305820
http://www.sueddeutsche.de/panorama/getoeteter-asylbewerber-khaled-i-kritik-an-dresdner-polizei-waechst-1.2306912

(Where do we place killing on our chant-riot scale?)

My Lovely Horse
Aug 21, 2010

GaussianCopula posted:

There is no proof that he was killed because of racist motives.
Might have been an errant shard of glass from Leipzig I suppose.

My Lovely Horse fucked around with this message at 16:06 on Jan 16, 2015

My Lovely Horse
Aug 21, 2010

Goddamn Danes coming here and taking over our hobbies!

My Lovely Horse
Aug 21, 2010

Default Settings posted:

Did Goethe rise from his tomb or something?
I'd have noticed that, it's like 20 minutes away.

Nah, apparently a 17-year-old tweeted about how school didn't teach life skills, i.e. she had no idea about how "tax, rent or insurance" worked but could write poetry analysis in four languages. And because there's nothing Germans love more than to talk about whether their education system is efficient enough I guess people are running with it? I mean, it's a fair point and life skills should be a part of the curriculum, on the other hand it was a common complaint 15 years ago when I was at school and turns out doing your tax and paying your rent is actually pretty easy!

My Lovely Horse
Aug 21, 2010

Randler posted:

Looks like the next Monday demonstration got cancelled due to to security concerns by the police. Which is kinda weird, considering the media thus far always said that dangerous muslim extremists were something made up by PEGIDA.
I mean, as far as I've heard, PEGIDA aren't even that much about actual islamic extremism as they are about asylum seekers all being fraudsters, keep pork on our menus and could the homosexuals shut up already.

My Lovely Horse
Aug 21, 2010

I was going to joke about PEDIGA people seeing the police ban as the establishment's latest measure to silence them, except then I had a lapse of judgement and went to mdr.de and that was the very first comment to a relevant article.

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My Lovely Horse
Aug 21, 2010

German class should teach that you can't fit well-reasoned criticism into 140 characters. Or how to.

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